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post #1 of 17 Old 11-19-2011, 08:28 PM Thread Starter
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MFE.. I need some input.

On my 95 GT. I installed a set of the Steeda bump steer tie rod ends. No I didnt "properly" set the bump steer. I just set it up "level" like I did in my 87. I plan to set it up properly after I get a set of the X2 ball joints, and have the A arms a bit more straight. The problem Im having is in the steering now. It almost feel like torque steer at times in a fwd car. I can almost feel it binding.

Im at loss really how to describe it. Ive never felt anything like this before. Any input?


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post #2 of 17 Old 11-20-2011, 12:39 AM
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Sounds like a bad balljoint but I'm not sure how they're related.

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Why did you need a bumpsteer kit?
What K is on the car?

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Jerry it has the stock K. Because the car needed it.

MFE considering it still has the originals with over 150k on them very well could be. It was fine though before the BS kit other than tramlining.

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When I turn the wheel at times its fine, but then a lot of the time it will get to a spot, and I can feel it stop then theres a "release" and it turns normally. Like I mentioned what I feel makes me think something is in a bind.

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Are you sure your steering shaft isn't making contact with the header?
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Well I havnt looked, but it only has shorties on it, and it hasnt been a problem until this steeda kit was installed. Ill take a look though.

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im not huge into handling suspension, but i was unaware a car with a stock k-member that hasnt modified the a-arm mounting location would "need" a bumpsteer kit.
From my understanding you could actually take the springs off the car and that height still wouldnt require a BS kit.

so my question is what do you have that is making the inner/outer tierod angle so much different than the a-arm angle??

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Jerry in my case my car has lowering springs only, and when you do that there comes a point where the tie rods, and control arms are at a steep angle. This can cause bump steer, and contribute to tramlining. The kit will correct the tie rod issue, but you need X2 ball joints to help with the control arm angle. Those will come after the first of the yr.

I know your car has coil overs. Take a look at the angle of your control arms, and tie rods, and then look at one with stock ride height. Youll see the difference, and the problem it creates.

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Here you go Jerry..

This is bad mmmkay..




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not saying its not... but from my knowledge, which as said is limited in the handling department, as long as the a-arm and tie-rod angles are the same bumpsteer is not an issue.
Makes me feel like changing the tierod angle while leaving the a-arm angle so steep would cause bumpsteer, not fix-it. (yes i read where you are ordering X2 ball's soon)

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It wont completely fix it, and it really needs to be set. It will help though. Both the Mustangs Ive owned that have been lowered quite a bit have suffered from bump steer, and tramlining. The tie rod end kit has helped it a lot both times.

Just because the a arm, and tie rod are at the same angle doesnt make it ok. Youve changed the geometry in a negative way.

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And when is your suspension EVER going to be that compressed? Bumpsteer wont cause tram-lining as much as fat/grippy front tires will... Thats most likely your issue. Perhaps put in some toe to help with that.

As for the angles its not the actual arm you measure from its the centerline of the balljoint to the mounting bolt that matters.
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u need to raise ur car those LCAs are at a very high angle, i know u mentioned ur not into handling (so u prolly want the dropped/lowered look) but bring the car up atleast some.

the ideal setup those LCAs will be parellel with the ground

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u need to raise ur car those LCAs are at a very high angle, i know u mentioned ur not into handling (so u prolly want the dropped/lowered look) but bring the car up atleast some.

the ideal setup those LCAs will be parellel with the ground
Thats not my car. Its just a random picture I used to show Jerry. Where did I say I wasnt into handling? Jerry said that not I.

Apocolipse it doesnt tramline since the last alignment with the bumpsteer kit installed.

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Thats probably due to a fix in toe-in/out.

The only time you get bumpsteer is with excessive suspension movement.

So unless you are riding on bananna suspension or are rallying the car, bumpsteer wont have an effect.
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Actually you're more likely to feel the effects of bumpsteer at low amounts of suspension movement. Larger suspension movements, there's more going on to affect the dynamics of the situation than toe change.
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