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W I D E Front 17" wheels

Hey Guys,

Sooo. I've been running my 295s on 17x9 Cobra Rs and they work okay, but a 17x10 would be preferred. I'd like to get a list of 17x10s (or wider) that fit in the front of SN95s. Can you list your setup or a set up you've seen?

I'd like to know:
-wheel (a link would be great too)
-spacer size if needed
-Offset

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It seems like the most affordable option is the Enkei RPF1 in a 17x10. I think someone on here is running these in autocrosses...


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Are you running fender liners? I put some 17x10.5 replica wheels on the fornt of my 98. They needed a .25 spacer to fit well but I do not have a liner. I then used the eastwood fender rolling tool and pushed the fender out around .75" which gave me more clearance then I probably needed.

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The problem with using some of those 10" or 10.5" replica wheels on front applications, is that they often don't have enough spoke clearance for reasonably sized brake systems.


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...and I would NOT run sticky tires on any non-forged wheel.

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...and I would NOT run sticky tires on any non-forged wheel.
Even if just for autocross? I'm assuming your concern is that the rim would break away because of the intense forces of Hoosiers.

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...and I would NOT run sticky tires on any non-forged wheel.
Come on, where is your sense of adventure?

Cheapo Chinese cast wheels I would probably stay away from using as track wheels, OEM quality castings should be OK. Depends on the harshness of the usage really.


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OE wheels 95 R replicas here. The front 9's have plenty of room for my Alcon/Saleen setup. I'll let you all know if/when I break or bend one. 3 seasons so far so good

Anyone know if R58's are forged? Pretty sure they are not, and there probably isn't a wheel type out there that is more common on Mustangs at autocrosses or open track events.

I have played with the idea of putting my rears up front to check what it would take to run 10.5's all the way around, I just haven't gotten to it. I'm sure I'll have to lose the fender liners, if I have to limit the rack that will be a show stopper. My local club looooooooves pivot cones and has two venues that involve a turnaround on the front straight of a road course, I need all the turning radius I can possibly get. I'll also try RPF-1's in 10" wide, reasonably priced for a 15ish lb wheel and they look cool too.. and they also clear my Alcons (100 percent sure of this, the previous owner of them had RPF-1's also LOL).

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OE wheels 95 R replicas here too in 17x10.5 +27 offset on all fours with 5/16" spacer on front. PBR Cobra Brakes. Will fit with 1/4" spacer but I was making my own so I went a tad thicker. I also have an inch or so of rack limiters on each side to prevent scrubbing on the sway bar. 315/35/17 tires. Been running these since early 07 without problems. I was actually running the same wheels with 9s on front for a few years prior. I just added two more 10.5s in 07.

I am still running factory liners but I relocated the ABS wires after hearing some got rubbed into. You basically just cut the retainer holding them, pull them out from under the liner, and tuck them behind the strut.

Final edit. These wheels are heavy like 26-27 lbs. and the larger tires are heavier. The extra rubber is worth the weight.


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If RPF-1's are available in the size your looking for, i'd imagine that they would be the most economical option...

Do RPF-1's clear 00R Brembos?


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Enkei does make RPF-1's in 17X10 rear fitment for a Mustang. They list them as a 6.18" backspace compared to 5.82" for the 17X9 wheels, so less than half of the extra inch is inboard. They weigh 17 lbs each according to Tire Rack.

I'm pretty sure the RPF-1 has more caliper clearance than an R58, so they should easily clear 00R Brembo's. They had no trouble clearing my Alcon's.
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I wanted to add that if the car has front coilovers then the fit on these wide wheels gets more difficult. Some newer guys reading this may not know that.
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Anyone fitting 17x10+ up front with coilovers?

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Kind of off topic, but I'm running 18x8.5 Saleen rims with 255's in the front (will soon be changing to 17x9 rims with 255's) and was wondering if it'd be to my advantage if I used a 1/2-1" spacer up front. I know some gus are running wide wheel setups front/rear, bi since im limited to my current wheel setup, would sticking the tires out a bit more using spacers help with handling? Pros/cons? Thanks!
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Anyone fitting 17x10+ up front with coilovers?
Now there's the 64 million dollar question.

A quick check on the RPF1s compared to my R58 Cobra Rs: Wheel Offset Calculator

Inner Clearance: 7mm less (not bad)
Outer position: extends 19mm (approx. 3/4" is the extra 1" in wheel width)

Right now, I use a 1/8" spacer up front to help my coilovers clear the 295/35 Hoosiers. I've got a 1/4" spacer if needed

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I wanted to add that if the car has front coilovers then the fit on these wide wheels gets more difficult. Some newer guys reading this may not know that.
Excellent point, thanks!
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Anyone fitting 17x10+ up front with coilovers?
I have RPF1's 17"x10" front an rear. I have coil overs up front and I have 315's front and rear.

this is how i did it.

you know the strut ears that connect to the spindle. i pulled the spindle outward, all the way (positive camber). that gets the wheel furthes away from the strut. I also used the smallest spacer possible by measuring. (3mm universal spacer off ebay) cheap 15 bucks. then i rolled my fender almost an inch. (more like i pulled the fender the rolled lol.

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I had been thinking of using crash bolts to roll the tire away, then move the strut inward on the tower to get the negative camber back, I'm just not sure what that would do to the geometry of the suspension.

I would think 2" drop spindles would put the wheel far enough up the strut to minimize clearance issues?
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It seems like the most affordable option is the Enkei RPF1 in a 17x10. I think someone on here is running these in autocrosses...
Hey David,

I believe I told you I would send you some pics of that wheel with 295's, a short time ago... OK, maybe it was about a year ago...

Sorry bout that. I assumed you already had 10's when I read your post about the 295's.

Still got them on from an event this past Sunday. I'll post some up by Friday.

They fit without spacers, no problem. The only problem(which doesn't bother me) is the limited turning radius, due to contact with the sway bar. The larger Steeda bar doesn't help the matter either.

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If you don't mind making the trip, you're welcome to try my wheels on. Or, maybe you can meet me at the next Philly event. Shouldn't be too far for you.

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Rob, Do you have coilovers? (I do)

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Rob, Do you have coilovers? (I do)
No sir, so I'm not sure if the pictures will help you determine if that is a possible clearance issue.


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I have RPF1's 17"x10" front an rear. I have coil overs up front and I have 315's front and rear.
Well if that clears with 315's, 295's should fit with no problem, no?


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i pulled the spindle outward, all the way (positive camber).
Hmm, curious what you ended up, camber-wise.

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Even if just for autocross? I'm assuming your concern is that the rim would break away because of the intense forces of Hoosiers.
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...and I would NOT run sticky tires on any non-forged wheel.
Then you would be in a small minority. The hugely overwhelming majority of cars I see at auto-x events and at track days on R-compounds are not running forged wheels. I see occasional stories on the intarwebs about wheels breaking, but I have yet to ever see it first-hand in 12 years of attending events everywhere from the UK to HI.

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Then you would be in a small minority. The hugely overwhelming majority of cars I see at auto-x events and at track days on R-compounds are not running forged wheels. I see occasional stories on the intarwebs about wheels breaking, but I have yet to ever see it first-hand in 12 years of attending events everywhere from the UK to HI.


What lesson are we supposed to be drawing from that?
I see wheel failures several times a year while working corners at Texas World Speedway. Seems to occur mostly to porsches and 'vettes on sticky tires. There's a good thread on corner carvers about not powder coating wheels, iirc.
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Well if that clears with 315's, 295's should fit with no problem, no?




Hmm, curious what you ended up, camber-wise.
I pulled the spindles all the way positive from the strut so the tire wouldnt rub the coil overs then i adjusted my camber with my MM CC plates. im running 3.25 degrees neg camber

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Then you would be in a small minority. The hugely overwhelming majority of cars I see at auto-x events and at track days on R-compounds are not running forged wheels. I see occasional stories on the intarwebs about wheels breaking, but I have yet to ever see it first-hand in 12 years of attending events everywhere from the UK to HI.


What lesson are we supposed to be drawing from that?
Now you've seen a failure of a non forged wheel. That's not just a story, since the pic was taken as it was actually happening. Just like the Konig Villains creaking the spokes.

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Anyone fitting 17x10+ up front with coilovers?
Yes, this was my old setup before I changed to slicks.

17x10 5-Zigen Fn01rc's with 295's Hoosier A6's in front, 315's in back. Cleared coilovers, no spacers. Just have to get the right offset.




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Yes, this was my old setup before I changed to slicks.

17x10 5-Zigen Fn01rc's with 295's Hoosier A6's in front, 315's in back. Cleared coilovers, no spacers. Just have to get the right offset.


Awesome, well sort of, I went to 1010tires.com and it appears they don't have a 10" option anymore. Unless you had to do something custom to get the 10" W I D E option

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Awesome, well sort of, I went to 1010tires.com and it appears they don't have a 10" option anymore. Unless you had to do something custom to get the 10" W I D E option
Nah, these were off-the-shelf rims but from 3-4 years ago and I've since sold them off but they're still pretty popular.

Check with these guys or even these dudes or maybe here. I remember having to get the most negative offset ( +12 IIRC, not the +25 or +35) in order to clear the coilovers.

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Nah, these were off-the-shelf rims but from 3-4 years ago and I've since sold them off but they're still pretty popular.

Check with these guys or even these dudes or maybe here. I remember having to get the widest offset in order to clear the coilovers.
Ah, thanks! Do you happen to remember the weight of the 17x10s?

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Ah, thanks! Do you happen to remember the weight of the 17x10s?
They were fairly light compared to most other 17x10's but I don't recall exact number. Mid 20's I think, IIRC. But definitely not as light as the RPF1's.

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I've been running widened SC replica wheels for the past year. They are now 17x12 with 335/35/17's on them. Haven't broken yet pulling 1.7g on concrete at autox.
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I've been running widened SC replica wheels for the past year. They are now 17x12 with 335/35/17's on them. Haven't broken yet pulling 1.7g on concrete at autox.
GOD DAMN!!!!! amazing! i also want to make a spoiler like yours, 1.7Gs with a street car thats amazing!

i have been debating 17x10 with 285 nitto nt555s for the street
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