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Floor jack: 1 Panhard bar: 0 or: That Sinking Feeling

I had the front tires chocked, and the car jacked up under the torque arm so I could change the fuel filter. I went to get my jackstands and WHAM the ############ of a jack squirted out from under the torque arm and the panhard bar caught it as the car fell. Yes, that bent bar is supposed to be straight. Track event coming up Saturday. No way to get a new bar here in time. What's an enteprising fail-jockey to do? Dismount the bar, turn it upside, down, and jack it up (mostly) straight again, that's what. ####er.




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I have one in my garage. It is a Kenny Brown. You can borrow it if it will fit.


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I appreciate it but I think I'm good for now. I got it mostly straight, and since I'm only running street tires I don't think I'll be generating enough load to bend it more. I'll secure a replacement eventually.
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Mine is 42" long. It is only adjustable at one end but it looks very similar.

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What brand LCA's are those?

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I'd take it to one of the many sand rail fab shops here in PHX and have them weld in a new tube.

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Those are Maximum Motorsports adjustables, and I dig the hell out of them. As for the bar, I could sleeve it for now, or get another one cut and threaded, but I'll just get a replacement bar from MM and not worry about it in the short term. I'll get a pic of how it looks now, later on.
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Looks like what I did to the tie rod on my Jeep. MFE, I found some super sticky sandpaper/non-slip stuff at Tractor Supply(I think....maybe Lowes/Home Depot). I stuck it on the bottom of my torque arm to help prevent accidents like this. While the stick on stuff isn't bullet proof(as it shows signs of being jacked up), I've been able to push and pull the jack and move the car around with the ass end jacked up now.

I carry the now un-bent tie rod with me as a spare. However, I did shove some round stock steel in the hollow tube to aid in reinforcement. I'm using a SOLID STEEL tie rod bar, so I don't see it bending any time soon, though.

Oh, and maybe fix that diff leak/seep. How in the world do you pass tech with that!!!!11 LOL!!

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I had the front tires chocked, and the car jacked up under the torque arm so I could change the fuel filter. I went to get my jackstands and WHAM the ############ of a jack squirted out from under the torque arm and the panhard bar caught it as the car fell. Yes, that bent bar is supposed to be straight. Track event coming up Saturday. No way to get a new bar here in time. What's an enteprising fail-jockey to do? Dismount the bar, turn it upside, down, and jack it up (mostly) straight again, that's what. ####er.
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Where are you guys(the ones that have experienced this misfortune) putting the jack under the torque arm? Ar you putting it BEFORE the angle/bend, or after it?

I put mine where I can see the back of the round jack-pad(cup) contact just before the bend so that the majority of the flat part of the torque arm is on the pad/in the circle.

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Try a hockey puck.

It depends on the jack but I put a hockey puck in the saddle of the jack. It sits above the metal prongs on the saddle so the chassis, frame, whatever rests on the rubber puck. I've found that it helps prevent the jack from slipping.
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He'll hafta have one seriously LOW PROFILE jack to be able to get the jack with a puck on it under there. I suppose driving up on blocks is an option, but I like the convenience of being able to just shove the jack under there and start pumpin'.

It's marginal, but when the tires get down to the wear bars I hafta kinda give it some encourgement(shoving)to get it under there.
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MFE, did you try looking for a bar at any local circle track supply shops? IIRC, in Texas, it was easy to find aluminum tubes which had been threaded on both ends of varying lengths.
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Yeah, that sucks.
I had the jack slip off the tubular K-member, and crack the power steering rack right into 2 pieces. Worst part was it was at Road America, and took out the whole %$#@#$ weekend.

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Wow Darius!!! That looks alot more expensive than Miffy's!
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MFE, did you try looking for a bar at any local circle track supply shops? IIRC, in Texas, it was easy to find aluminum tubes which had been threaded on both ends of varying lengths.
I haven't tried, because I don't have the time and because the bar is pretty damn straight now. I have time to secure a new one before I dial up the loads with R-comps again.
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The jack that slipped was a low-profile aluminum jobby with a (slippery, oil-soaked) pad in the middle of it. I have always just placed it under the flat portion of the TA with never a hint of slip. This time, no luck. So I hauled out the giant 2.5 ton steelie I have, and placed its saddle so that it cradled the TA under the weld where it transitions from the flat rearward portion to the angled forward portion.
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Those are Maximum Motorsports adjustables, and I dig the hell out of them.
I was wondering, when the LCA is curved like that, does it affect the anti-squat / instant center? I'm guessing "no" (because the fore/aft pickup points are unchanged) but WTH I'm no physicist. . .anyone?

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I was wondering, when the LCA is curved like that, does it affect the anti-squat / instant center? I'm guessing "no" (because the fore/aft pickup points are unchanged) but WTH I'm no physicist. . .anyone?
It wouldn't matter if they were pretzel shaped, as long as the pickup points are located in the same place, so the LCA's themselves can't change the IC for any given ride height. You need to relocate the pickup points with different brackets in order to do that.
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Nope, straight line between 2 points is a straight line (even if its curved...)


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Ouch! Surprised the swaybar didn't catch it. Glad you weren't under the car (placing jackstands) when this happened!

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Same thing happened to me last year. The aluminum rod is only 35 dollars plus shipping if I remember.

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WTF? Is the jack Gremlin making his rounds this week? I felt like a Dumass last Sunday when the jack slipped off the subframe and landed on the floor pan! Glad your damage was isolated to the bar.

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Same thing happened to me last year. The aluminum rod is only 35 dollars plus shipping if I remember.
Really? Is that from Maximum Motorsports?

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WTF? Is the jack Gremlin making his rounds this week? I felt like a Dumass last Sunday when the jack slipped off the subframe and landed on the floor pan! Glad your damage was isolated to the bar.
I've done that too, which is why I now take a piece of thin plywood with me to the track to make sure the jack actually rolls like it needs to as its arm is raised, rather than digging into the asphalt and staying still.
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My diff had just started leaking too. I jacked it up just enough to get my jack stands under it like I always do. Figured the oil was why mine slipped, wonder if that's what caused yours?

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ouch!

of the subject: what swaybar is that and do you like it?


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It's an Evolution Motorsports swaybar. I like it, for the money I paid during their going-out-of-business sale. But I can't run it full stiff if I want to, due to interference with the LCA's. I had to clearance the forward legs of the bar with a grinder as it is.
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Before I had the MM torque arm, I always used to jack the back of the car by lifting the pumpkin. Since the torque arm was installed, I was always nervous about jacking there because of the angles. I did have the jack slip one time and was lucky not to cause any damage.

I'm going to send Jack Hidley a note and suggest that they modify their design to include a pad there for jacking. I may end up pulling mine off and welding a pad on there myself. The only downside is that I would need to get it powdercoated again.

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MM probably doesn't want to put a jacking pad there because the pumpkin isn't an approved jacking point (not that thousands of guys don't use it as one, self included) and don't want the liability.
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I know some jacks have a hole that you put the jack pad into. A friend with a mustang, fabricated a bar that runs below the piece of sheetmetal under the radiator. It mounts on both sides on the front frame. The bottom of the bar has a tube welded pointing straight down. His jack pad has a hole to recieve the downward pointing tube. He can pull the car around the shop on it. Also the radiator lower brace tube he fabricated is a lot higher then a lowered kmember. He did the same thing on the rear just aft of the fuel tank and behind the bumper. If you have access to a tubing bender and a welder, once you get underneath the front radiator support it won't take you to long to figure it out. I am not saying weld a tube onto the radiator support because it will fold on you. You sorta making a side to side strut tower brace under the car.

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Well since it's Saturday, I assume you ran your track event. Hope the bar held up OK.

Personally, I don't think I would have chanced that...almost straight is not NEARLY the same as straight, when it comes to something that's in pure column loading.
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Two track events now Looks the same as it did last weekend.
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Two track events now Looks the same as it did last weekend.
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