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Power Steering Pulley

I'm trying to find out if anyone has used a larger diameter pulley that they've been happy with.

My steering is overboosted and I'd like to reduce the pump speed to reduce some of the assist out. I saw drudis' page where he shows a picture of a pulley from Ford and I took the part number from it, it comes up as being for an '82 T-bird 3.8L but the part is obsolete. I also did a search and found some talk of using a Mustang V6 pulley but figured I see if anyone has a range of model years that they've had luck with before I order one.

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I had an old project car, a 1986 mustang with the 3.8 v6, and it is the larger diameter pulley like Daris shows on his website...I put it on my mustang...the one that has yet to hit a track ....anyway, I hope that helps some?

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i was wondering this too. where do you find bigger ps pump pulleys. very good question.

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I believe the actual part # and what is comes on (in the pick-a-part yards) is covered in the Junkyard Horsepower thread here on Corral. Just search for the thread the search the thread for "pulley".

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http://www.dariusrudis.com/2002_Power_Steering/

also, someone recently told me that there's one on some year Fseries that's even bigger...

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There are at least two larger PS pulleys. The 3A733-A shown in Darius' website is a 6 rib and I believe that one is no longer available from Ford.

There is a similar 8 rib pulley that was used on SC T'birds. Sorry, I don't have that p/n but that one might still be available.
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There is a 6 5/8" pulley which is part number YR3E-3D673-AA. I have a spare if anyone is interested.

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Another way to help with the overboost is to cut the relief spring in the pump. I learned about it from the FFR guys, did it to my track car and it definitely helps. My FFR doesn't have PS, so I wasn't sure how well it would work until I got my track car finished. It's an easy modification, doesn't cost anything, and is reversible if you don't like it (you do have to buy another spring though). Basically if you remove the large fitting on the stock ford pump, the one the high pressure line screws into, underneath that fitting is a spring. Stock length is around 2" I think, you cut it (I used a dremel with a cutting disc) to 1 5/8" I *THINK*, then reassemble. This allows more fluid to recirculate in the pump, which equals less assist to the rack. If you do a search either here, on corner-carvers, or on the FFcobra.com website, you can find pictures and the exact lengths. YMMV.
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There is a 6 5/8" pulley which is part number YR3E-3D673-AA. I have a spare if anyone is interested.
I took the engineering part number you listed here and cross-referenced it to the selling part number. The part number anyone looking to buy one at the dealer is: YR3Z-3A733-AA.

It's still available from Ford. I haven't installed it yet but it looks like it will work well. I'll try to also come back and note if I needed a longer belt and how much longer it will need to be once I get around to putting it on.
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I took the engineering part number you listed here and cross-referenced it to the selling part number. The part number anyone looking to buy one at the dealer is: YR3Z-3A733-AA.

It's still available from Ford. I haven't installed it yet but it looks like it will work well. I'll try to also come back and note if I needed a longer belt and how much longer it will need to be once I get around to putting it on.
Just installed that pulley last week. I have had it for a year or so sitting in the garage. When I bought it the parts guy knew it quite well. Guess they sell a lot of them.

As for belts, I went from a 84.5" belt to a 86.8" belt. YMMV.


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I have a larger diameter pulley for sale in the classifieds. It worked well on my car, but I switched to the MM kit for better steering feel.

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I have a larger diameter pulley for sale in the classifieds. It worked well on my car, but I switched to the MM kit for better steering feel.

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How do you like the MM kit? It's pricey but I'd definately consider it down the road if it makes the steering feel that much better.
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I like it a lot. The steering feel is much better and you can adjust the pump to suite your preference for steering feel.

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Is there enough slack with stock belt and tensioner to run this pulley, or is a new belt mandatory? If so , part number for the right belt? Car has factory air, smog etc.
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Is there enough slack with stock belt and tensioner to run this pulley, or is a new belt mandatory? If so , part number for the right belt? Car has factory air, smog etc.
As I noted above, I needed a longer belt. I have no smog, mix matched underdrives, and modified A/C system so my actual belt length is unique. Your belt length will be different but the change in length should give you an idea of where to start.

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I got a larger pulley from Dorman (my wife works there) and it works fine. I can't honestly remember what part # it is but i think it is a 300-003. I remember I took measurements at the time (width & center hole for pump)and matched it up to the one I have now. It's just under 6" in diameter and works flawlessly on my race car. It was also only a fraction of the cost of one from Ford (around $10) I think.

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Got the pulley installed today and that overboosted mess seems alot better now, much weightier feeling to the steering in all situations but just off center.

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I got a larger pulley from Dorman (my wife works there) and it works fine. I can't honestly remember what part # it is but i think it is a 300-003. I remember I took measurements at the time (width & center hole for pump)and matched it up to the one I have now. It's just under 6" in diameter and works flawlessly on my race car. It was also only a fraction of the cost of one from Ford (around $10) I think.
Sweet! Thanks for the tip!

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I got a larger pulley from Dorman (my wife works there) and it works fine. I can't honestly remember what part # it is but i think it is a 300-003. I remember I took measurements at the time (width & center hole for pump)and matched it up to the one I have now. It's just under 6" in diameter and works flawlessly on my race car. It was also only a fraction of the cost of one from Ford (around $10) I think.

Thx for the info man!

I went to Schuck's and bought the PS pulley p/n 300-003 for ~$10. I installed it on my '86 5.0. The change is noticable. It took me a few days to really notice it. But eventually the difference became more and more clear. Still not ideal. But better.

So here is the info I gathered on my install that may be of interest to anyone that cares about specifics.

Stock Pulley Diameter = 5.33 inches
Doorman Pulley Diameter = 5.8125 inches
-I divided "Stock" size by "Doorman" size and got an 8.3% difference in size. I don't know if that directly translates to 8.3% underdrive. Maybe someone else can confirm or deny.

Stock Pulley Weight = 21.3 ounces
Doorman Pulley Weight = 11.85 ounces
-Obviously 10ounces of weight savings isnt going to matter on a 3000lb car. But it does translate into less rotational mass that the engine has to spin. So I consider that a good thing.


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Hey AOD, did you need a different belt after installing that pulley?

Thanks for listing the part number. For $10 I might just have to give this thing a try.

Has anyone done both the bigger pulley AND the relief spring mod? Is it even recommended that they be done together?
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Hey AOD, did you need a different belt after installing that pulley?

Thanks for listing the part number. For $10 I might just have to give this thing a try.

Has anyone done both the bigger pulley AND the relief spring mod? Is it even recommended that they be done together?
You definately need a longer belt for the Ford pulley, I also noticed a large weight difference between the original and the replacement (replacement much lighter). I didn't measure my pulley but I believe the diameter is the same, I dropped my car off at the dealer and had them try a few belts as time was an issue (I had none). I gave them the 2.3" larger recommendation from oktavius above and I think they got it on the first try (I also have no smog pump or A/C and have a combo of underdrive and regular pulleys on the remaining gear).

BTW, I paid less that $20 out the door for the Ford part number I listed above, so it is slightly more expensive than the aftermarket one but not enough to break the bank.
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Stock Pulley Diameter = 5.33 inches
Doorman Pulley Diameter = 5.8125 inches
-I divided "Stock" size by "Doorman" size and got an 8.3% difference in size. I don't know if that directly translates to 8.3% underdrive. Maybe someone else can confirm or deny.

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I think that the diameter wouldn't matter as much as circumference. taking the difference there. (22.31 stock/ 26.60 "Doorman") leads to a 19% underdrive.

I think... Again, someone else can feel free to correct me, because I am not really sure if that's how underdrive is derived.
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I think that the diameter wouldn't matter as much as circumference. taking the difference there. (22.31 stock/ 26.60 "Doorman") leads to a 19% underdrive.

I think... Again, someone else can feel free to correct me, because I am not really sure if that's how underdrive is derived.
Well the math works out the same with circumference or diameter since circumference is directly related to diameter.

Your problem is that if the diameters listed above are correct, then your circumference is wrong. Circumference = Pie (3.14) X Diameter. So if the original pulley diameter is 5.33, then the circumference is 5.33 X 3.14= 16.7362. Then the new pulley is 5.8125 X 3.14= 18.25125.

Works out to 9% whether using circumference or diameter. Difference between the pulleys divided by 1% of the original pulley size = the percentage of difference between the two as seen by the original pulley size. The math would be different if it were you were going from the larger to a smaller diameter pulley, which is why you must use the original pulley size in the equation and why just dividing the two diameters is not accurate. So your math for getting the ratio is correct, the pulley circumference is not.

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How does one get a dorman pulley? The website I went to didn't do direct sales, just to distributors.

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How does one get a dorman pulley? The website I went to didn't do direct sales, just to distributors.
Schuck's Auto supply. Walk up to the counter and say "I need a power steering pulley, p/n 300003" Dude walked into the back and came out with my pulley like 2 minutes later.

Not all Schuck's stores have the same inventory. So go to their website and punch in your zip code. The use the search box to find p/n 300003. It will tell you which store has it in stock.

Luckily I did not need ot get a new belt. I had put on an 83.5" Goodyear Gator belt about 6-8 months ago and it was toward the low side of my belt tensioner's range. When I put the new pulley on it moved the belt tensioner's gauge to the higher side just below "Too tight". So I just got lucky. Guess you'll just have to take your chances with that.

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No Schucks near me in E. TN apparently. Does anyone know if OReilly's or Advanced or Auto Zone have this part or can track by this part number?

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No Schucks near me in E. TN apparently. Does anyone know if OReilly's or Advanced or Auto Zone have this part or can track by this part number?
Do you have a Kragen? they are the same as Schuck's. You can get the part through Autozone as well.

Hop on Autozone's website and use the "Product Search" box. type in p/n: 300003 and it will show you the product search page with a field that says power steering pulley. Click on that. And there is the doorman pulley for $8.99. So you can get it through Autozone. 300003 is doorman's p/n for the part. so any parts vendor should have it listed under that p/n.

Just a general note on the pulley. It looks like it is made from several pieces of aluminum joined together. So mine had these little edges where the pieces were joined together. It's not one solid piece like our stock pulley or a nice machined pulley from March. So I took a small fine jewlers file and filed down the edges so that they would not chew up the belt and cause premature wear.

It's hard to explain what I'm talking about. But just take your a look at your pullley when you get it and you will see what I mean. Other than that it's a perfect fit.

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Well the math works out the same...your math for getting the ratio is correct, the pulley circumference is not.
I was using Pi R^2... the ^2 should have reminded me that was the formula for area... Note:should have.

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Do you have a Kragen? they are the same as Schuck's. You can get the part through Autozone as well.

Hop on Autozone's website and use the "Product Search" box. type in p/n: 300003 and it will show you the product search page with a field that says power steering pulley. Click on that. And there is the doorman pulley for $8.99. So you can get it through Autozone. 300003 is doorman's p/n for the part. so any parts vendor should have it listed under that p/n.....
Thanks, we do have an Autozone and I have it on hold. THANK YOU!

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Sorry to come late to the party here but I'm pretty sure pump speed only affects assist at low speeds, like parking lots, and once the pump reaches a certain output pressure, a relief valve keeps it there. In other words, changing pulley sizes on the pump may only affect the RPM at which the pump reaches its "break point".

Steering effort is determined more by the torsion bar (aka T-Bar) inside the rack, which determines how much steering shaft deflection takes place before assist takes over.
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Sorry to come late to the party here but I'm pretty sure pump speed only affects assist at low speeds, like parking lots, and once the pump reaches a certain output pressure, a relief valve keeps it there. In other words, changing pulley sizes on the pump may only affect the RPM at which the pump reaches its "break point".

Steering effort is determined more by the torsion bar (aka T-Bar) inside the rack, which determines how much steering shaft deflection takes place before assist takes over.
Driving with the larger pulley at reduced RPM (vehicle speed is not known by the pump) the feel is better as, like you said, the RPM at which the pump reaches it's max pressure is reduced. For track cars, it slows the pump for extended high RPM operation which should help with steering fluid temp.

I did this in hopes of helping understand the reasoning that my car seems darty since I installed a new rack (and other components). It has shown me that the problem is in the rack and not my suspension setup as it has made obvious that the problems occur only in the t-bar's range of control and not the assist part.

I'll be leaving the larger diameter pulley on the car after I fix the rack issue for both the above mentioned reasons. The slight additional increase in zero speed/brake on effort is minimal and not a detractor for me.
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Sorry to come late to the party here but I'm pretty sure pump speed only affects assist at low speeds, like parking lots, and once the pump reaches a certain output pressure, a relief valve keeps it there. In other words, changing pulley sizes on the pump may only affect the RPM at which the pump reaches its "break point".

Steering effort is determined more by the torsion bar (aka T-Bar) inside the rack, which determines how much steering shaft deflection takes place before assist takes over.

That is pretty much what I am seeing with my new pulley. Low speed turning is noticably different, up to about 1000-1500rpm. After that there isn't much diffference. So I know that ultimately I will be going with a saginaw pump and an sn95 rack.

But It was an experiment. and a worthwile one for $10. With the slower turning pump and the PS fluid cooler that I pulled off the P71 CrownVic and installed, i've not had the PS pump puke out any fluid after a full day on the roadcourse. Heck, the PS fluid cooler doesn't even get warm to the touch and I know there is fluid flowing through it.

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so basically if you want your wheel to be hard to turn in parking lots put a bigger pulley on?


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so basically if you want your wheel to be hard to turn in parking lots put a bigger pulley on?
BINGO!

Or if you drive around the roadrace / auto-x course REALLY slowly, then the pulley is a good idea too!

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