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global west traclink and kenny brown panhard bar?

How would they work together?
I know its no gr40, but for $375 its gotta work good till i can spend the 1k+ on the good stuff?

right now im running eibach sportlines and kyb agx's 4way adj front, 8way rear
new bushings all the way around and mac control arms in the rear.

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also will this setup handle some power if i re-inforce the floorboards where the attachment point is? i have a forged boss block 308 with t-76 qtrim turbo kit that i should be able to turn up to 700+rwhp

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They used to be known as the TrashLink, for good reason. They're too short, and they bolt to paper-thin sheetmetal, IIRC
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Supposedly both the panhard and Traclink bind with the uppers on their own (although a lot of people still think a panhard is better than no panhard), so certainly using the two together will cause binding issues with the upper arms.

If you plan on removing the uppers, the Traclink bolts to the sheetmetal without spreading the load with backing plates and other reinforcement as the Evolution Motorsport 3-link did, so that may need reinforcing, and the KB panhard may not be up to the task of controlling the axle laterally without the help of the uppers. Also, you'll need different rate springs in the rear if you remove the uppers.

I remember someplace where someone turned a cheap used Traclink into a decoupled torque-arm - now that was a trick setup.

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That engine will tear the floorboards out. When I was looking for suspension many swore by them, but just as many swore AT them. Better than the stock 4 link, but there are better things to try.


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use a larger piece of sheet metal to reenforce the tire mounting location and it will be fine.
I ran the KB on a Nitrous car on slicks with O issues.. no flex no bends.
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The Tranklink is not as bad a system as some say. It's just not as good as a torque arm or the Steeda 5 link. As has been stated it bolts to sheetmetal and time or high power will cause cracks to form in the metal.
I had a 93 Cobra with one and I liked it but I did have to repair the cracks in the floor and then added some reinforcement. This was a track car with no carpet. I saw the cracks early on when they were still small and was able to fix them before it became a problem. Some users with street cars, whick had carpets had large cracks form before they noticed a problem.
With the power you're talking about I would say NO! Don't do it!

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With the power you're talking about I would say NO! Don't do it!
SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! dont say that I'm trying to sell this thing!!!

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If you are talking about the kenny brown panhard bar that connects to the spare tire well, then the answer is "NO!". Race4food clearly used it in a drag racing application. Imo, turning corners with that POS would be disastrous, despite additional bracing. Get a hold of a real PHB, from Griggs or MM.

Regarding the Global West trak-link, opinions are like ########, everyone's got one. The problem with the trak-links is that GW didn't even know what the hell it was they designed or they just would have called it a "short floating-front-mount torque arm" (or something similar). If they had realized it was a proper torque arm (despite what other people say, it actually is a torque arm, it's just a bit short), instead of telling people they could run it with soft springs and the stock rear UCAs (don't do this! Adding the trak-link to a stock rear suspension only creates more bind), they would have realized that people needed to run it with a PHB, no UCAs, and TA springs.

How do I know all this? I bought a trak-link back in the mid 90s and tried to auto-x with it for several years. It sucked, lots of bind with the already binding stock rear suspension. Car felt great in a straight line, sucked everywhere else, so off it came.

A few weeks ago, I installed an adjustable Griggs PHB. After doing lots of research on corner-carvers, and after talking to a few people who have used trak-links with PHBs or Watts links (Jim, who replied above, was kind enough to give me some pointers and advice, as were others), I decided to give it a shot on my 92 notchback despite also having a griggs TA available to use. I've ridden in normal TA equipped mustangs and the axle hop issues under braking worried me. I figured with the sliding front mount of the trak-link, there would be less bind under braking and I could dial in the rear brakes and actually use them (98 cobra brakes, front and rear).

I know full well about the floor pan cracking issues with the trak-link because I had already cracked mine. However, I think I created a solution for this: we welded a support brace from the trak-link's vertical forward mounting plate to my driver's side sub-frame connector where it meets the driver's side seat bracing. This should help relieve the stress on the floor pan almost entirely. I am not an engineer but it seems to be working great so far. I'll try to get some pictures of this today. However, keep in mind this is in a 300 rwhp car, so you may want to consider either lots and lots more bracing, or just ditching the trak-link and getting a proper TA from Griggs or MM.

How does it handle? Bloody f'ing fantastic! The car pulls hard out of corners now, turns like a mofo and hooks up in a straight line. I haven't raced it like this yet, but TAMSCC's first auto-x of the year is this coming weekend and I should have some more data soon. I seriously expect the car to be 2-3 seconds faster on a 60 second course than it used to be, just because it can now power out of the corners and the turn in is so much better. Removing the rear UCAs is step 1 to fixing how poorly mustangs handle.

To give more info, here's the break down of the car's suspension:
Rear:
Grigg's adjustable PHB
trak-link
350-390 lb/in torque arm springs
Koni red shocks (currently set at full stiff, but this may be too stiff, not sure. Time will tell.)
98 cobra 27 mm hollow rear sway bar (effectively a solid 26 mm sway bar)
stock rear LCAs
removed UCAs
removed quad shocks
17*9s with 275 Azeniis

The key with any TA system is getting enough rear roll stiffness, hence the stiff springs and swaybar.

Front:
1000 lb./in springs
koni yellow struts (one blown)
24 mm sway bar
caster/camber plates (probably 3* caster and -2.5* camber)
98 cobra spindles
17*8s with 255 Sumitomos

I'm about to put SN95 control arms on the car this week (with the appropriate bump steer kit) along with 94-95 spindles. This will allow me to run 17*9s with 275s up front since I have a '92 AND will allow me to dial in a bit more negative camber.

The de-coupled trak-link/torque arm setup that vicbaby referenced can be found on a thread on corner-carvers. It's a neat concept that works great. The author is a friendly guy who probably won't mind talking to you about his design.

2015 edit: The trak-link sucks. It creates 185% anti-squat. Does not work worth a ####, was never any faster. I ditched it years ago for a PM3L and have been MUCH faster ever since.
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