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Oil cooler tech?

I'm looking to run an oil cooler on my 02 GT. I've browsed a few things over on C-C.com and random google searches but i'm still kind of guessing on some things.

I'd like to also relocate the oil filter(possibly run two), however, does the placement of the actually cooler effect anything? Obviously it needs to be where air will push through, but does it matter if it's mounted high up on the car(say behind the pony emblem in the front), or down real low behind/near a fog light opening?

When changing oil, is there a need to somehow evacuate the sytem completely, or just drain like normal?

The car isn't overheating or have anything weird going on under the hood. I've just always thought that the cooler you can keep the fluid circulation, the better luck you'll have.

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does the placement of the actually cooler effect anything? Obviously it needs to be where air will push through, but does it matter if it's mounted high up on the car(say behind the pony emblem in the front), or down real low behind/near a fog light opening?
You need to mount the cooler where it will get the greatest possible airflow through it.

It the nose of a Mustang, that's not always easy, especially of you are still running A/C. This is a big reason why I recomend radiators with built-in oil coolers -- you don't have to figure out where to stick the oil cooler.

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When changing oil, is there a need to somehow evacuate the sytem completely, or just drain like normal?
Drain normally.

You didn't mention it, but I will. Plumb the ENTIRE system using AN fittings and quality braided stainless steel hose. On startup, cold oil pressure spikes can be well over 100psi. Barbed fittings with hose clamps are not reliable enough to deal with this and will eventually fail.


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www.batinc.net makes a great universal kit that I installed in front of my radiator at the lower passenger side corner. Dropped my oil temps 50 degrees on the track.

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Perfect, certainly book marking this thread. Even answered my "regular hose/hose clamp or braided hose" question before I typed it.

Thanks for the link!

Lastly, are there any drawbacks to a cooler for colder climates(30-40 degrees)? Would a change in oil viscosity be necessary? I think in the Mustangs, it states 5w-20, right? It's 5-something, either 20 or 30.
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I have my o/c mounted in the lower opening. I have an sandwich oil filter adapter and got SS lines made with AN fittings.

2 filters are over kill, you will lose a few PSI with the o/c and even more with another filter. I am not a fan of rad/cooler combos because if there is an internal leak you can ruin your engine or at the least ruin your weekend. If a remote cooler leaks, bypass it, done.

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I am not a fan of rad/cooler combos because if there is an internal leak you can ruin your engine or at the least ruin your weekend. If a remote cooler leaks, bypass it, done.
That is a concern. But apart from a bad batch of heat exchangers Griffin got years ago, have you seen one fail? (Schwarz's was one of those bad Griffin coolers, right?)

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That is a concern. But apart from a bad batch of heat exchangers Griffin got years ago, have you seen one fail? (Schwarz's was one of those bad Griffin coolers, right?)
It has been a while bit it still scares me. Also, on a car with a condenser that may run just barely cool enough adding oil heat to the water may put it over the edge. I like being able to keep the system temps seperate.

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10-4 on the two filters.
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Invest in an oil thermostat. You do NOT want to run cold oil for prolonged periods of time it greatly increases the amount of wear on the engine.

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Wow, i'm glad I asked about this....thanks!!!

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Invest in an oil thermostat.
But only if you run an oil-to-air heat exchanger. If you run an oil-to-water heat exchanger, the coolant will actually warm up the oil more quickly than if you wern't running a cooler at all! (Coolant warms up more quickly than oil.)

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IIRC most quality coolers are going to come with sandwich adapters that are either truly thermostatically controlled at somewhere around 180 degrees or are passively thermostatically controlled, in the sense that their bypass is viscosity-sensitive and will not flow significant volume through the cooler until it's thin enough.
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Even better....thanks! I'll admit at first I was looking at the Summit brand oil cooler stuff. After reading this, it looks like in order to do it RIGHT and be durable i'm gonna hafta bust out 200+ dollars. Don't think i'm ready for that, but i've got this thread bookmarked for reference when/if I do.
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I am working on getting my Mustang ready for serious track duty. I have a factory cooler in place, but I am curious about results with aftermarket external coolers for the Mustang. What kind of temps were you guys running before the coolers? What are you running after? Are you running synthetic oil? Some of the American Iron guys aren't running an oil cooler. Is maintaining oil temps below 280 a chronic problem without cooling?

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Even better....thanks! I'll admit at first I was looking at the Summit brand oil cooler stuff. After reading this, it looks like in order to do it RIGHT and be durable i'm gonna hafta bust out 200+ dollars. Don't think i'm ready for that, but i've got this thread bookmarked for reference when/if I do.
I went to the wrecking yard and got a couple of oil cooler setups from 86-89 351W Crown Vic police cars. They are cheap and the coolers are made by Long which make coolers for a lot of other companies. But since you are running a 4.6 with metric threads on the oil filter adapter it may not be worth the trouble.

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I am working on getting my Mustang ready for serious track duty. I have a factory cooler in place, but I am curious about results with aftermarket external coolers for the Mustang. What kind of temps were you guys running before the coolers? What are you running after? Are you running synthetic oil? Some of the American Iron guys aren't running an oil cooler. Is maintaining oil temps below 280 a chronic problem without cooling?

American Iron Topic - Oil Coolers:
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On a hot day if I pushed the car I would see 300F w/o a cooler. With a cooler (and a better cooling rad) I will see maybe 240F max. I always run Mobil 1 syn.

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Yep, 300 before, 220 now. I use a giant Setrab cooler (about 19 X 6 X 2-1/4)

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I was seeing 290, 295 before with an Explorer heat exchanger. Now, with the FRPP unit mounted in front of the rad, it's never higher than 270. I use Redline 15w-50 because of the temps, and the last oil analysis said things were doing very well.
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Where are you guys getting your temp readings? Before or after the cooler? From the oil pan or from a return line?
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Good info guys. It seems that the 5.0 can definitely use an oil cooler. Any guys with a 4.6 that can share their experiences as well?
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I saw these on MMR's site(for the MOD crowd), but you need to supply your own cooler:


MMR REMOTE MOUNT MODULAR OIL FILTER KITS (STD)

These kits include all parts needed to relocate your oil filter away from the block, great for Turbo and Supercharged applications, aftermarket K-members and for those people that just cant stand the oil dripping all over their steering rack during a oil change. Kit includes all parts for easy install (Remote oil filter adapter, Low profile block adapter to replace the original oil filter and all Lines and Billet Aluminum AN Fittings and new Ford filter not shown) Filter can be mounted in any practical location!



Fits all 1996-2008 Models
400335A 119.95


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MMR REMOTE MOUNT MODULAR OIL FILTER KITS (RACE)

These kits include all parts needed to relocate your oil filter away from the block, great for Turbo and Supercharged applications, aftermarket K-members and for those people that just cant stand the oil dripping all over their steering rack during a oil change. Kit includes all parts for easy install (Remote oil filter adapter, Low profile block adapter to replace the original oil filter and all Lines and Billet Aluminum AN Fittings and new Ford filter not shown) Filter can be mounted in any practical location! Race kit includes Stainless steel Braided lines and Billet Aluminum AN fitting come std with this race kit-(great for street or race)

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Where are you guys getting your temp readings? Before or after the cooler? From the oil pan or from a return line?
There's a thread on c-c examining this very issue, including one person who toggles his gauge between 2 senders, one before the cooler and one after.

I take mine out of a provided bung on top of one of the kickouts on my Canton pan.
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After reading this, it looks like in order to do it RIGHT and be durable i'm gonna hafta bust out 200+ dollars.
$200 will buy the necessary AN hoses and little more.

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I take temps after the cooler, before entry into the block. I bought a used cooler, so I plumbed my system with the filter as the last component before oil goes into the block. The CV products oil filter mount I used has a provision for a temp sender.

I wouldn't plumb an external oil cooler/filter set up with anything less than -12 lines. You don't want to induce any more pressure drop through the system than necessary. Make sure you don't use the socketless fittings, they have always leaked for me.

You may want to consider using a filter/mount that uses a 1 1/2 - 12 thread vs the typical 3/4 - 16 thread. You can get filters sized for diesel trucks (at the regular parts stores) that have WAY more filter area than a normal size filter. More area = less pressure drop.

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Perfect! Thanks. I knew there was more to this than what was rattling around in my head.
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I'm on par with everyone else, 290-300F before the cooler, 240F after the cooler. Temp sender mounted in the back of the pan.

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Her is my oil cooler install:
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Explorer oil/water cooler:

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I went to the wrecking yard and got a couple of oil cooler setups from 86-89 351W Crown Vic police cars. They are cheap and the coolers are made by Long which make coolers for a lot of other companies. But since you are running a 4.6 with metric threads on the oil filter adapter it may not be worth the trouble.
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Her is my oil cooler install:
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Explorer oil/water cooler:
now thats awesome and simple.
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Is an 820S better than a 1A?
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Panther chassis = ford crown vic / mercury marquis
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Panther's?
Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, Town Car chassis.

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Is an 820S better than a 1A?
No, its just the oil filter adapter uses metric threads on the 4.6 and SAE threads on the windsor.

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Explorer oil/water cooler:
Have you ever gotten an oil temp gauge on there to see what sort of temps it runs with that setup? I know the oil-to-water cooler on my N/A Subaru is only marginally effective - dropped track temps from ~270F to 260F. That Exploder cooler is bigger, of course, but so is the engine and heat load it's trying to cool.

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