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HELP!MM coilovers, SN95 spindles,17x9= + camber

Just finished installing, MM coilovers with bilsteins, fox length lower arms with SN95 bj's and 10th ann. wheels with 275's all the way around. My problem is I cannot get any neg. camber. I am using MM CC plates and even sloted the holes on the shock tower. I had to pull the spindle away (outward) from the strut when I mounted it to give me the clearance I needed between the coilover spring and the wheel (inside). I have tubular lower A-arms but they are fox length, which I know pulls the spindle in a significant amount compared to the SN95's. I don't think slotting the holes in the strut will give me enough adjustment. Am I right in thinking my only solution will be the longer SN 95 A arms? Again my combo is,93 coupe, Bilsteins,MM coilovers,95 spindles,fox length A arms,cobra brakes,10th ann cobra wheels and 275 Azenis. Thanks, Donnie


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You do have the CC plates in the "negative" orientation, right?

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I have them installed per the install instructions. I had negative camber before (.7). That was with all fox stuff. I think the problem is my combo of fox a arms coilovers,and wheel width/tire size.

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I think if you use the 8" coilover spring instead of the 10" one you should be able to clear the wheel and still get negative camber from it. I'd call MM and ask them.
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I think if you use the 8" coilover spring instead of the 10" one you should be able to clear the wheel and still get negative camber from it. I'd call MM and ask them.
I guess that is another option. I'm only running a 250 lb spring now, not sure what the lowest 8" spring rate is. Just thought I'd get some opinions b4 calling MM tomorrow.

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Donnie,

If you have a front spring rate of 250lbs/in, you probably have a 12" long spring. You absolutely can not use an 8" 250lbs/in spring on your car to gain tire/wheel clearance. That spring will coilbind long before the strut has run out of bump travel.

I would install a 1/4" thick wheel spacer on each front hub. Then loosen your strut to spindle bolts and retighten them so the tip of the spindle is pulled upwards. This will give you more negative camber (about 1.2 degrees). You can simulate the wheel spacer by installing a stack of washers on each stud. Don't drive the car this way, just use it to see if you will have enough spring to tire/wheel clearance before purchasing the wheel spacers.

FYI, there is no positive/negative orientation for the bearing plate on MM 79-93 c/c plates. The positive/negative bearing plate orientation only applies to MM 94-04 c/c plates.

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Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a try and see what I can come up with camber wise. I'd like to b somewhere around 1.5 -2*. Car is only driven ocassionally but I will be going to a track event in the next few weeks to try out my new setup.

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Take the cc plates off max out the caster and camber, tighten all the bolts on the plate down, place it on the strut tower above the bolting points and scribe with an awl the outside of the spherical bearing spacer/sleeve at 90 degrees. Get a grinding bit and grind out a corner into the tower, elongate the inner rear corners, that should get you the caster and camber you want with the least amount of work. Did that on my 93 and my buddies 89, he had too muuch camber so he pulled the plate back out a bit. We both have sn95 cobra spindles.

I plan on getting 12.5" a arms made up so that I can tuck a 00r rim and still have 1.5-2" camber. I know vegas702 has 12" a arms with mm plates, he elongated the holes in his sn95 spindles for even more camber and has 1 degree of camber now. The factory a arm is 13" on the fox's. You should be ok once you do that.

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Doing the alignment this week. I already put a 3/16" spacer on the front and repositioned my spindle /strut mounts (pushed inward), this has definetly helped. I have the strut tower bolt holes and inside edge opened up a bit more. Actually drove it home tonight. Man what a different car!! Previously had a spool, 90/10's, UPR rear susp. It's actually fun to drive on the street now. I can actually turn corners and stop!!

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I had to pull the spindle away (outward) from the strut when I mounted it to give me the clearance I needed between the coilover spring and the wheel (inside).
that is your issue. bilstein struts have one of the holes pre-slotted. if the spindle is not pushed in when installing, you will only get neutral or positive camber


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Yeah, everything worked out in the end. I set the camber at -1.6 and 5* toe out. Going to a track event this weekend at PBIR. Can't wait to get some seat time on the new road course!!

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