MM 4pt K-member brace + milodon 7qt = NFG? - Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 12:28 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
fastgeek's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 986
Unhappy MM 4pt K-member brace + milodon 7qt = NFG?

Figured this was the best forum to ask this question in, sorry if it's not. Should also add Energy Suspension motor mounts to the list of parts in question... but didn't want to make the title too long.

Trying to get this 331 I built years ago installed into this '94 Cobra I aquired a while back. Been one problem after another; but I'll stick to the point.


Was attempting to install the motor (always extra fun by yourself) when I eventually noticed the rear sump of Street/Strip Milodon pan was resting on the MM 4pt K-member brace. Just peachy. Worked fine in the old '88, but it didn't have all the suspension modifications the '94 did; which is one of the main reasons I bought in the in the first place.

Anything I can do to salvage this setup? Stock motor mounts vs. the lower ES units? Really don't want to purchase a different pan, but if that's the only way to make this work, then so be it.

Really appreciate your help!
Jason


'98 BMW 540i 6spd sport (daily driver), '96 Triumph Trophy 900, '94 Cobra, '91 BMW 325ix & 318is, '88 Mustang SSP (need to sell someday), '66 F100.

Project - '94 Cobra + 331 now running & driving; still need to get everything working smoothly & fix some kinks.
fastgeek is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 12:45 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 326
You can lift the motor a little by putting some grade 8 washers between the motor mounts and the block. Depending on the number of washers used, you might need to go with slightly longer bolts.

SteveL1994 is offline  
post #3 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 04:28 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,430
I have a 2pt brace. Doesn't get in teh way of the oil pan

1993 GT 310rwhp / 351rwtq
AFR FTI EDEL Combo. MM, T-56 3.73, Brembo, 275s on 03 Cobras all around
Stanger_Matt is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 04:41 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
fastgeek's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 986
Steve - thanks, I'll look into that. Not sure if it'll work though; think it needs a good 1/2" - 3/4" of lift?

Matt - That crossed my mind too. Unfortunately, at least through MM, 2-point braces aren't an option for the 94/95 cars. Or so their website says.

If the washer idea doesn't work out, or barring any other suggestions, I might simply remove the brace for the time being. Really would like to have the car legal & road ready by the 6th. Always something!
fastgeek is offline  
post #5 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 09:57 AM
MFE
Super Moderator
 
MFE's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (9)
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 27,649
You could lower the brace, or use a different one.
MFE is offline  
post #6 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 11:19 AM
Registered User
 
huesmann's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (6)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: DC burbs, MD side
Posts: 6,894
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveL1994 View Post
You can lift the motor a little by putting some grade 8 washers between the motor mounts and the block. Depending on the number of washers used, you might need to go with slightly longer bolts.
Or maybe some additional washers on the K-brace.
huesmann is offline  
post #7 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 12:56 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: canada
Posts: 123
had the same problem on my 88 covertible with a 7 quart canton ended up cutting the brace and weld in a new section to clear the pan
fastcobra88 is offline  
post #8 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 03:37 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
fastgeek's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 986
Am liking the idea of lowering the brace. Had thought of that too, just wasn't sure if it was an acceptable idea or not!

fastcobra88 - such skills are beyond my abilities; but hats off to you!

*edit* Removed the brace. Will get longer bolts + a good number of washers at the hardware store today and see how it works out.

Last edited by fastgeek; 05-17-2009 at 04:18 PM.
fastgeek is offline  
post #9 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 05:57 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (10)
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,712
If I recall correctly, I believe the solid motor mounts (ie Moroso), do raise the motor slighty over a set of stock motor mounts.
2dxtrm is offline  
post #10 of 16 Old 05-17-2009, 10:46 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
fastgeek's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 986
Thanks for the info! But believe raising the engine would cause other issues. Besides, was under the impression that getting this heavy lump as low as possible was a good thing!

fastgeek is offline  
post #11 of 16 Old 05-18-2009, 09:19 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,430
Quote:
Originally Posted by MFE View Post
You could lower the brace, or use a different one.
My brace has 2 spacers on each side. They look similar the the spacers used on the C-C plates. K-member > spacers > brace.

1993 GT 310rwhp / 351rwtq
AFR FTI EDEL Combo. MM, T-56 3.73, Brembo, 275s on 03 Cobras all around
Stanger_Matt is offline  
post #12 of 16 Old 05-18-2009, 03:06 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
fastgeek's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 986
I did remove the brace, then attempted to get the engine to play nice with the transmission... it refused, so it currently hanging from the hosit. Just needed to walk away from it for a little while.

Stopped in at the local Home Depot (they're the closest to my house) to see if they had the right sized bolts. (stock lengths were M10x1.5x~45mm & M12x1.75x90mm) Of course 90mm was as long as they had for the M12, so useless. Will hit up a few more places today. Wish I could find some stainless hardware, provided they're of the proper grade/strength, but SS seems hard to find. For the time being the brace will just stay off. Not going to the track anytime soon, just need to get the bloody car back on the road!

All in all, just goes to show what happens when you combine a project of your own (motor in my case) and a project of someone elses that you have to learn about as you go!
fastgeek is offline  
post #13 of 16 Old 05-18-2009, 03:33 PM
Registered User
 
FATTYTHELEGEND93 SVT's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (59)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,578
i personally wouldnt use washers to space anything. if anything make up some 1/4" thick plates. and only use grade 8 bolts. i personaly only use foley cat bolts from a direct foley cat dealer on my car . but my k member is spaced and my motor mounts everything is all good.

i live for 5.0 mustangs
i have alot of parts for 5.0 mustangs 87-93 pm me if you need something i may have it thanks

Last edited by FATTYTHELEGEND93 SVT; 05-18-2009 at 03:38 PM.
FATTYTHELEGEND93 SVT is offline  
post #14 of 16 Old 05-19-2009, 04:21 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (4)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Downingtown, PA
Posts: 879
clearly the only real fix is to put in the engine and trans from a Ford GT....

check online for some good grade 8 SS bolts, shouldnt be too hard to find on the good old interweb
86fiveoh is offline  
post #15 of 16 Old 05-19-2009, 04:48 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
fastgeek's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 986
A Ford GT engine? lol - I wish!

I searched very half heartedly for the bolts; mainly on Grainger's website, which came up empty. Once I have everything else in place I'll figure out what the best course of action is and go from there.

In the mean time, turns out one of the pressure plate mounting threads on the aluminum flywheel gave up the ghost... so have to deal with that now. Know I'm preaching to the choir here, but damn if this whole thing hasn't been one step forwards, half a dozen back!
fastgeek is offline  
post #16 of 16 Old 05-19-2009, 01:06 PM
Authorized corral.net Advertiser
 
Matt@HFP's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (82)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ventura, CA
Posts: 1,556
can you even run long tubes with the 4 point K brace?


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

M-F 9am-6pm PST
1-818-574-FUEL (3835)

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

AIM: HighFlowFuel

PM or Email us for the absolute BEST pricing on:
AEM | AFR | ARP | BBK | Bosch | Fuelab | Injector Dynamics | Innovate | Magnaflow | Maximum Motorsports
Phenix Industries | RC Engineering | Siemens | StopTech | Walbro | QFS 340LPH Fuel Pumps
And More!
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
opinions wanted on MM 4pt K-member brace j rick kirby Road Racing/Auto X 30 08-04-2009 01:06 AM
WTT: my 4pt for your 2pt k-member brace Thomas Suspension 2 10-20-2008 01:24 PM
Kenny Brown 4pt K-member brace silver408coupe Suspension 4 11-27-2007 09:58 PM
FS: Maximum Motorsports 4pt K-member brace, Pt# MMKB4-1 vette_559rwhp Fuel System & Related 0 09-18-2005 08:16 PM
K Member 4PT Brace bluedog Suspension 9 05-14-2005 10:03 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome