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Interesting setup...

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Is that some kind of homemade K and SLA?

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Yup, sure looks like it.



It also looks like the fabricator made up some 2 piece rotor/hub assemblies and adapter plates to fit the PBR calipers
onto the Fox spindles for the first iteration and changed it to this(?):




Interesting work.

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I've never seen anything like it. The "fake strut" is what kinda' got me.
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I think it might be an old IPS suspension.

That "fake strut" looks like it's just to extend the spindle to an upper a-arm.

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Yep that is an IPS SLA reactive kinematics superduper leghump suspension.

Homemade was about the quality level. "Designer" Corey Shaw spewed more bull.... than all the steers in Texas. Mostly it just bottomed out a lot and then broke with no chance of replacement parts. That is, if parts were delivered in the first place.
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that is a Maiers Body kit i think, they specialize in autocross etc. I like it to be honest. Love the wide meats.
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That Wilwood Superlite caliper is mounted upside-down, too.


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Since we're picking at it.... I'm sure the Sumitomo HTR tires have the equivalent grip of a 205 Hoosier A6.

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hmmm that was interesting haha

what kind of wheels are those? anybody kno?
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Most likely a CCW custom offset variation.
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Since we're picking at it.... I'm sure the Sumitomo HTR tires have the equivalent grip of a 205 Hoosier A6.
Well since you are picking at it.. they do quite well on the street, and for the price of $90 each you cann't beat it. Haven't had it on a road course yet, but will plan on a different tire/wheel combo at the point. Had it on some concrete Autocross course and the Sumitomo's did quite well. O and they do very well on the Dragon's Tail aka Deal's Gap.

The front and rear suspension are the products of Shaw. I believe the front setup is called the 'Contex Control' and the rear setup is a 'Watts Link' style.

I absolutely love the car and bought for soul purpose of street driving, It's underpowered like no under. I have found the remnants of a ProCharger kit once installed, but my plan is a 32V 4.6 with a power adder..

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Most likely a CCW custom offset variation.
Yep they are CCW 17X12 running a poor man's 315/35/17

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Yep that is an IPS SLA reactive kinematics superduper leghump suspension.

Homemade was about the quality level. "Designer" Corey Shaw spewed more bull.... than all the steers in Texas. Mostly it just bottomed out a lot and then broke with no chance of replacement parts. That is, if parts were delivered in the first place.
I am so glad I have bought up spare parts as I find them. This car gets ran real hard and thank god I have not had any mishaps with parts breakage. I rebuilt the QA1'a last year and that helped alot!

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that is a Maiers Body kit i think, they specialize in autocross etc. I like it to be honest. Love the wide meats.

Thanks for the love!

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That Wilwood Superlite caliper is mounted upside-down, too.

LOL not any more.. they are in a box on a shelf..

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Well since you are picking at it.. they do quite well on the street, and for the price of $90 each you cann't beat it. Haven't had it on a road course yet, but will plan on a different tire/wheel combo at the point. Had it on some concrete Autocross course and the Sumitomo's did quite well. O and they do very well on the Dragon's Tail aka Deal's Gap.
First, thanks for chiming in. I've also ran those tires. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but your experience in tires is quite limited, yes? The 90$ Sumi's are great for holding air and rolling...but as for performance they're quite lacking with other similar treadwear rated tires.

I think it's a badass car nonetheless.
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The 90$ Sumi's are great for holding air and rolling...but as for performance they're quite lacking with other similar treadwear rated tires.
Agreed. I've driven a LOT of tires on the track on a wide variety of cars. I ran the HTRs on my car for a short time and hated 'em. Grip was ok, but the wors thing about them was the noist. Horrible road noise after a few thousand miles.

On the track their grip waws somewhat less than other tires, including the Kumho AST's that replaced them. they did howl like a banshee at th4e limit though, which is a good warning for novice drivers that they're aproaching the tire's limit.

Replace those with some dedicated R-compound track tires and prepare to be amazed.

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With regard to the HTRs, as long as you preface with "for the price," there is some good to be said about the tires.

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Replace those with some dedicated R-compound track tires and prepare to be amazed.
Or just a Nitto NT05, NT01, 555RII, Kumho XS or Falken Azenis
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With regard to the HTRs, as long as you preface with "for the price," there is some good to be said about the tires.
Yes, but "for the price" a Neon is a pretty good track car. If I were open-tracking that '93, It'd be a bit like putting Converse All-Stars on Kobe Bryant. They're a good shoe for the price, but Kobe would be a lot happier and play a lot better with better shoes under his feet.

HTR's are perfectly fine on the street (except for their noise.)

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Or just a Nitto NT05, NT01, 555RII, Kumho XS or Falken Azenis
I have to admit, I haven't been following the high-performance tire market in years. Once I went to R-comps for the track, Ive just been buying cheap Kumho ASTs for the street. They're round, hold air, are reasonably quiet, and have more than enough grip for anything I'm likely to throw at 'em. Kind of like the Sumi's I ran before I got tired of the road noise.

I have taken these on the track, too, and they did OK. However there's such a difference in grip compared to R-comps, that it's tough to judge different street tires any more on my student's cars. There's R-comps and then there's everything that's not an R-comp. The stuff that isn't all tends to feel more or less the same.

(Just like there's Hoosiers and all other R-comps -- they're that good.)

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It'd be a bit like putting Converse All-Stars on Kobe Bryant. They're a good shoe for the price, but Kobe would be a lot happier and play a lot better with better shoes under his feet.
All fine and dandy, but if I were buying Kobe's shoes, he'd be sporting the Chuck Taylors.

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He just told you that he is using it on the street and autocross. Why all the crap about grip on a road course.

He got that car for a smoking deal and trust me if you saw the deal, you would of bought it no problem.

He didn't build the car the previous owner did. Even shaw had quality issues at least he attempted to correct a common issue. I mean shaw could of just nitpicked on a web board like some others do here.

Have you ever bought tires for a 17x12 rim that drove on the street. NT01's yeah good choice on the street they last about 6 months.

So before you start getting on your high horses why not take your little racecar in the garage go drive to a location 350 miles away, run it all weekend, then drive back the 350 miles. Now do that once a month or so. Lets see how long all the cool performance tires last.

Lighten up fellas not everybody wants to hit a roadcourse or can afford it. Trust me franks got some roadRace cars that actually seen a winners circle and some really nice fast drag cars.

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Lighten up fellas not everybody wants to hit a roadcourse or can afford it.
Also, affording it may not be the issue. Some of us don't care about being competitive and are just playing, so spending several hundred dollars more on a more frequent basis (more expensive tires that wear out quicker) is seen as a waste of money.

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I guess I was trying to "pick on" Corey Shaw and his knack for spouting "engineerese" as tech, his tuning advise which was always too soft, and his abilty to vanish once credtors and upset customers came a knockin'

I remember a few instances of spindle adaptors failing. I want to say it was Monroe and Joe C. from corner-carvers, maybe someone else from the old musclestang site. I also remember drooling over Lou Fererro's S351R with the full SLA/IRS setup. That car was damn sexy. If your spindle adaptor has been redesigned/reinforced and you aren't running wheel rates in the 100's, then I'm sure you will avoid the problems that came to my mind. As a side thought, I used to wonder how the front Kmember and Aarms would work as a the basis for a coilever strut setup.

Is your rear setup the Sport or Grand Sport? IIRC, the GS tied the coilovers to the Shaw link (funky watts with 2 bellcranks?). The narrow upper-armed Sport looked a lot like the Steeda 5link, which seams like a good thing.

BTW, I love the Maier kit. It give the fox body the "hippy" look that I love about the sn95's.

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Have you ever bought tires for a 17x12 rim that drove on the street. NT01's yeah good choice on the street they last about 6 months.

So before you start getting on your high horses why not take your little racecar in the garage go drive to a location 350 miles away, run it all weekend, then drive back the 350 miles. Now do that once a month or so. Lets see how long all the cool performance tires last. .
Thats what I did, on Falken Azenis. Well, it was more like 250 miles up and 250 back home. Did that for about 1 1/2-2 years.

Granted the tires are more expensive, but for level and quality of work done to that car....I don't see the reasoning for such a low performance tire.

Also, for what it's worth... I put the 315 Sumitomo's on the girlfriends V6 Mustang and with her driving they only lasted about 8-10 months(appx. 15,000 miles). The tires are cheap, but you don't get longevity at that price. The tires were always on the wear bars when i replaced them/center section showed no hologram of tread.
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who makes that roll bar? i like it.

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