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SLA talk

Could you use the griggs "sla" tower set with say a mm k member and lower a arms?



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I don't see why you couldn't, but you would still need to fab a lower shock mount bracket on the control arm, and then measure between the two shock mounting points to determine the correct length damper.

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does any one know how different the griggs K member is compared to the maximum k member in terms of a arm mounting height etc?


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heres one i snapped from SEMA from a GT500
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This would not work because of the added anti-dive that griggs has worked in to the k-member when compared to maximum motorsports, or a stock k-member. I have read that mm claims "ford got it right" in terms of anti dive. I believe the placement of the lower control arms-- their angle to the ground is where this is achieved.

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so your saying the geometry would be wrong?


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so your saying the geometry would be wrong?
Most likely. It would work, as in drive around, but it probably wouldn't perform well.

Suspension design is a series of small adjustments and decisions towards compromise to obtain your "goal". Moving a pickup point 1/8" can change the entire design.

Mixing two could be ugly...

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After looking at the pics in this post, https://forums.corral.net/forums/show...03&postcount=4 , it appears the Griggs upper arm is pretty standard aftermarket. Factory Five has lower arms with shock mounts and spindle adapters to accept an upper ball joint.

Assuming someone could work out the geometry, it seems it would be feasible to create an upper shock/a-arm mount similar to Griggs, but that would use geometry acceptable to keeping the stock k-member. I think the Barts Works SLA was designed to use the stock k-member, but it had fabricated spindles.

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...it appears the Griggs upper arm is pretty standard aftermarket.
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ah nice find. I am just trying to figure out a cheep way for SLA.. Agent 47 and Grigs SLA is super expensive and if there was a way for some one to do it that already had a mm K member that would be ftw.


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Well, if it were designed to work with factory geometry, it would work with any other tubular k that mimics the factory geometry. An SLA designed to work with a MM k would probably only work really well with the MM k.

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that one?


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that one?
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Is the Bartsworx SLA still available?
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looks like it.


Ive read a lot of stuff on people breaking griggs K members heard it from people but never heard any stories about mm k member breaking. So I am just trying to plan my mods accordingly and sla is something I want to do in the future.


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Wow....never knew this was out there. Hmmm.....
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yeah same here I had no idea. Looks like it could be ftw.


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LOL.


on another forum I was reading some one said you need a mm K member... But in that pic its obviously a stocker. So I am wondering if they make a version for the mm K as well.


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Who's willing to be our guinea pig?
Hellloooooooo. Maybe i'll send someone a PM or EMAIL.

Seriously though, I don't have 2 grand. But still, i'm kinda pissed that after ALL the searching i've done on the internet that I have NEVER....EVER heard of or seen this sytem!
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$2k may sound like a lot, but compared to the competition...

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Oh I know, if it were 1000$ I still couldn't afford it. I'm having to hold on 500$ for 2 tire purchases!
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Yeah those damn Griggs Kemembers just break like everyday. I read like three a day break just sitting in the garage, car isn't even moving, and the Kmember just breaks

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Sure does I hate it.

I'm putting UPR back on my car. That stuff was sooooooooo awesome. It fit perfect and I when I dropped my car off a cliff, the only thing that survived was their Kmember.

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Most likely. It would work, as in drive around, but it probably wouldn't perform well.

Suspension design is a series of small adjustments and decisions towards compromise to obtain your "goal". Moving a pickup point 1/8" can change the entire design.

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Dave do you have any pics/info on your low scrub sla setup you had


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But still, i'm kinda pissed that after ALL the searching i've done on the internet that I have NEVER....EVER heard of or seen this sytem!
I'd heard of it, apocryphally, because it was said to be out of production.

Maybe I'll save up a little scratch to add to my tax refund...

Anyone know about the availability of replacement parts for the Bart Works piece, i.e. hubs?

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Cool! I wouldn't put that GRIGGS version on your car, it'd probably just break like their K-members.
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Dave do you have any pics/info on your low scrub sla setup you had
A-Arms and K-member:



Wheel and Spindle:



I don't have any pictures handy of the final version. I ended up changing the upper a-arm spacing shown in that photo after folding it up like a cheap tent. I ended up wishing I had changed the lower arm spacing after folding it up like a cheap tent, totalling the car.

I re did the steering arms from what is shown for ackermann and also switched to .81 thick rotors for the same reason.

I don't know how Griggs worked through the stock spindle issues, but I'm sure they did it well. I like the Bartworks spindle, the tall part fixes a lot of fitment issues but makes low scrub tough to acheive.

It is very possibly to mix and match parts and make a nice system, but IMO one would want to plot all the points in Suspension Analyzer or WinGeo and make sure you aren't doing something crazy bad. When you get all the stuff in the computer, you wouldn't beleive how much 1/8" change in pickup location can change all sorts of stuff.

IMO, you also have to analyze if all the hassle is worth it or not. My SLA was a fun excercise and learning experience. The car was much better with it that without. But, the class I was in, CP, has been won several times by strut Mustangs on little tires....gotta wonder if it was worth all the time and money.

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I don't have any pictures handy of the final version. I ended up changing the upper a-arm spacing shown in that photo after folding it up like a cheap tent. I ended up wishing I had changed the lower arm spacing after folding it up like a cheap tent, totalling the car.

I re did the steering arms from what is shown for ackermann and also switched to .81 thick rotors for the same reason.

I don't know how Griggs worked through the stock spindle issues, but I'm sure they did it well. I like the Bartworks spindle, the tall part fixes a lot of fitment issues but makes low scrub tough to acheive.

It is very possibly to mix and match parts and make a nice system, but IMO one would want to plot all the points in Suspension Analyzer or WinGeo and make sure you aren't doing something crazy bad. When you get all the stuff in the computer, you wouldn't beleive how much 1/8" change in pickup location can change all sorts of stuff.

IMO, you also have to analyze if all the hassle is worth it or not. My SLA was a fun excercise and learning experience. The car was much better with it that without. But, the class I was in, CP, has been won several times by strut Mustangs on little tires....gotta wonder if it was worth all the time and money.

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I worked in a shop building drop in rack and pinion front ends not mustang 2 but mustang 2 style i guess you could say. But that was all very basic there was no anti dive factored into them so I got a taste of building front ends while doing that. Not to sound stupid but low scrub is pretty much meaning the car was low to the ground? and is there any reason why you kept the stock K member.



btw guys bartsworks/ hp motorsports stuff is not available any more...

I doubt that spindle was custom made I wonder what its original application was.


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Not to sound stupid but low scrub is pretty much meaning the car was low to the ground? and is there any reason why you kept the stock K member.

I doubt that spindle was custom made I wonder what its original application was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrub_radius

He built the car for C Prepared in SCCA. You have to keep the stock k, although you can modify it. 10% "in excess" weight penalty for a tubular k.

Not positive, but I'm pretty sure it's a custom fabricated spindle for that application (re Barts Works).

I still like my "budget" SLA idea. It looks like I'm going to be making my ESP car a street legal CP car next winter (happen to have a well built 408w lying around), so a SLA project might be fun. Plus, if I'm back in grad school, I might be able to make a project out of it for class credit. Hmm.

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