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SCCA Solo Driver of the Year

Is me.... I found out on Friday.

An award like this coming from my peers is very humbling and I'm more than little flattered.


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Congrates Sam

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damn, congrats!... now i guess we need to listen to everything you say x2 haha

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Does that mean you can put all of your tech advise in bold text with caps lock on?

Congrats.

Do you ever make it any Susq SCCA events?

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Holy cow, congrats man!!!

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Congratulations Sam.

I assume you will give all Corral members free autographs so we can sell them on ebay.

Seriously, you should be proud.

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I don't think I congratulated you anywhere yet, so congrats!

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So does that mean that you are going to give us the opportunity to pull up a chair and listen to some war stories?

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That's awesome! Huge congrats to you.

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Does that mean you can put all of your tech advise in bold text with caps lock on?

Congrats.

Do you ever make it any Susq SCCA events?
Not usually, but maybe this year. I spend most of my time either running somewhere Nationally, in/around the DC area or here in Central PA (though we may not have the good site anymore, which means I might head to Harrisburg more).

I used to run Susq. all the time, and in fact was a Susquehanna member when I won my first Nationals back in '02.


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Congratulations Sam.

I assume you will give all Corral members free autographs so we can sell them on ebay.

Seriously, you should be proud.

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Thanks, but we all know that'd be a money loser.

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Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy wait a second... Your in PA, come try a hillclimb and put all that skill to the test!

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Why don't you come to an autox and put your skill to the test.

I'm not really willing to ball up either of my cars, and I know a few who have hillclimbing. I do some track events, and have been in tire walls there--which is a whole lot better than hitting a stone wall in my book.

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Sam, I already gave you props for your well deserved recognition, but what the hell...I'll do it again...Good job, you da man!
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Why don't you come to an autox and put your skill to the test.

I'm not really willing to ball up either of my cars, and I know a few who have hillclimbing. I do some track events, and have been in tire walls there--which is a whole lot better than hitting a stone wall in my book.
I see the challenge in Auto X, but I don't see A challenge.

Make sense? (to me it does, I hope it makes sense to you)

I've tried Auto X once or twice... really didn't find any enjoyment in it to be honest. Felt more like driving around a parking lot, filled with cones

The hills however, oh boy!

* by all means I'm not saying it's not a skill, you've by all means gotten very good at it. I just don't find it enjoyable.

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In a perfect world, I like road racing more than autocross (note: not lapping days or open track)...preferably in o.p.c.'s (other peoples' cars) lol, as the costs can get high really quickly...but, for real competition with minimal hassle and expense, it is hard to beat autocross. To be perfectly honest, most people I've known who just didn't like autocross weren't very good at it...and reverted to less competitive auto events, like HPDE, where they could drive at 80-90% and have fun. Its all about what floats your boat, I'd say

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Is me.... I found out on Friday.

An award like this coming from my peers is very humbling and I'm more than little flattered.
I don't' know if I would get too excited about this award. I mean, look at it this way, what are you going to do for an encore this year?!? Kudos.

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Congrats Sam! I saw some footage of your and your Shelby GT on a YouTube video compilation of some DC area autocrossing.

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To be perfectly honest, most people I've known who just didn't like autocross weren't very good at it...
This has been my experience too.

But that doesn't apply to anyone who hillclimbs. Performing with such a small margin of error is amazing to me....ditto with Performance/Pro Rally drivers. THose guys/gals get the "bad mofo" wallet....

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I'm by no means a bad mofo.. But yes, mountains and barriers don't exactly move like cones LOL

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This has been my experience too.

But that doesn't apply to anyone who hillclimbs. Performing with such a small margin of error is amazing to me....ditto with Performance/Pro Rally drivers. THose guys/gals get the "bad mofo" wallet....

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"Performing with such a small margin of error" is the reason why most (by no means all) hillclimbers aren't getting consistently that close to the true edge...self (and car) preservation is a strong incentive

Which is exactly why I never have run the Virginia City Hillclimb or others out here...I just don't trust myself to keep things adequately under control!

Rally drivers, with fully sponsored/pro rides (don't have to worry about balling up another car), are another story...frickin' lunatics...

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I don't think there are that many fully sponsored rides running in performance rally (at least here, I know several guys running in the 100 AW and they are not fully sponsored)

So, I don't think that enters into thier lunacy....they are nuts no matter who is paying the bills.

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I autocross because I like two things:

Competition and putting a car on the limit and making it do what I want.

Because there is nothing to hit folks drive as hard as they can. That makes for the best measure of their skills as far as I'm concerned. Autox is also very much like 3 or 4 individual single qualification laps. You have to get to speed, right now. I like it's a mental exersize. No practice, no warm ups. You get to walk the course, then see what you can do on it.

And not to take anything away from going faster, I do track days too. But frankly I get bored after a while. You get accustomed to speed pretty quickly.

And here's the bottom line. There are always arguments about what is "better". I think all things take skill. But anyone can autox, it takes no safety equipment or many hundreds or thousands of dollars to show your stuff to someone else. And because some track guys think it's easy, they should have no issue with coming to do an autox is they want to see who the faster driver is.

I know folks that hillclimb. Few of them were particularly great autocrossers. But many of them win and hold records hillclimbing. The depth of competition isn't all that deep, and without that I don't see much point in putting myself and my car at risk.

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Anyone CAN auto-x. That's the great thing about it. And it's inexpensive. An SCCA license, helmet and $35 or $40 entrance fee and you're racing. But, like hillclimbing, to be competitive, you'll spend the same amount of money, minus a cage/bar and firesuit. And while it's cool to race between cones where you WILL learn 100% car control, the realism of hillclimbing in relation to street racing can't be matched. Why race some clown on the street when 2 can come and compare times for real. It's a put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is kind of thing. This form of racing just ratchets up the ego. Sure, some guy in a little fart mufflered honda can zip away from me on the street. But bring it to a hill. It's a whole different ballgame of nerves and balls. Plus, you are the only 1 at risk. Why put a family of 4 on the highway at risk as you blow by them at 100mph? Race on the street legally in a hillclimb.

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The thing that is great about this place is that there are people from all different aspects of Mustang interests from big block 4 eyes to twin turbo 4 cammers that do eveything from cruise, drag, autox, and open track When someone succeeds at a National level let's celebrate that and let them have a moment in the sun.

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The thing that is great about this place is that there are people from all different aspects of Mustang interests from big block 4 eyes to twin turbo 4 cammers that do eveything from cruise, drag, autox, and open track When someone succeeds at a National level let's celebrate that and let them have a moment in the sun.
Huh? Where did that come from?

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Anyone CAN auto-x. That's the great thing about it. And it's inexpensive. An SCCA license, helmet and $35 or $40 entrance fee and you're racing. But, like hillclimbing, to be competitive, you'll spend the same amount of money, minus a cage/bar and firesuit. And while it's cool to race between cones where you WILL learn 100% car control, the realism of hillclimbing in relation to street racing can't be matched. Why race some clown on the street when 2 can come and compare times for real. It's a put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is kind of thing. This form of racing just ratchets up the ego. Sure, some guy in a little fart mufflered honda can zip away from me on the street. But bring it to a hill. It's a whole different ballgame of nerves and balls. Plus, you are the only 1 at risk. Why put a family of 4 on the highway at risk as you blow by them at 100mph? Race on the street legally in a hillclimb.

And you can't compare times at an autox? And as for real world, I think a real-world surface at cornering speeds that range from 20 to70 mph is pretty real-world. I don't often feel safe enough to do 100 mph on the street.

I don't disagree with you. I know hillclimbing is blast if that's your thing. I was addressing your statement that I should do it. No thank you. If you want to see how you stack up, then come to an autox I'll be at. After all you can easily do that, I can't nearly as easily hillclimb and have nothing to prove if I did. There is no National Championship, and my comment about lack of depth didn't mean there aren't capable drivers. Only that when you have one or two cars running even if both are great drivers you don't have 10 guys who can win.

Even though I'm in western PA I spend a lot of time in the DC area. And just in our one club we had 4 of the top 8 cars @ Nationals in FS (and I set them all up, as well as 8 of the top 9 in total). That's depth.

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I know how I stack up...generally 1 second slower than Sam.

The real bad thing: I have never run in FS. That 1 second is in SS, ESP, CP and presumably EM....

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Huh? Where did that come from?
From a place where I'd hate to see this become solo2 vs hillclimb.

Ooops. Too late.

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I wasn't clear in what I was saying.....
NOTHING wrong with auto-x'n. Anyone that can auto-x successfully has made one hell of an achievement. To win nationally, you've obviously gotten in tune with the car and can control it with no arguement from anyone. We have several guys that are excellent auto-x'ers and can drive to the limit and beyond without incident.

In auto-x'ing, as in hillclimbing, one could spend an enormous amount of money prepping the car with all the top equipment allowable in the class. It's possible to dyno tune to the extreme and also MUST buy the best tires available as well as have the lightest rims. Having ability and mediocre equipment gets a driver close. But to maximize potential, as in hillclimbing, big money CAN be spent. Which is true in any form of racing.

Nobody can take anything away from a 5 time National champ.

The difference between the 2 is the difference in road surface. Each course is different. Crowns are different. Shading/sunlight. Dips/jumps. Many other factors between the start and finish. But I'll agree with you that there are many risks that aren't for the faint of heart. And this is where I address the guys that want to race on the street. I've seen 100mph+ runs down the highway as well as thru the turns. Those are the guys I'm addressing with the 'bring it to a hillclimb'. The removal of traffic is what it's all about.

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Ah come on guys, no reason to argue (from a hillclimber), congrats Sam! To each their own! I enjoy autocrossing too. And drag racing. And BMX. And strip clubs. Maybe I'm just confused. But what kind of world would this be if autocrossers can't poke fun at road racers, and road racers can't make fun of autocrossers, with rr and auto-x ganging up on the hillclimbers? We all have our reasons for doing what we do. I didn't really start to have fun doing this UNTIL I wrecked a car. How crazy is that?

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Ah come on guys, no reason to argue (from a hillclimber), congrats Sam! To each their own! I enjoy autocrossing too. And drag racing. And BMX. And strip clubs. Maybe I'm just confused. But what kind of world would this be if autocrossers can't poke fun at road racers, and road racers can't make fun of autocrossers, with rr and auto-x ganging up on the hillclimbers? We all have our reasons for doing what we do. I didn't really start to have fun doing this UNTIL I wrecked a car. How crazy is that?
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