If you had to replace either the wideband sensor or the gauge answer the questions below. This has nothing to do with the Pro-M EMS because there are numerous threads online about Innovate widebands failing.
1. How many Innovate wideband sensors have you replaced:
1a. Driver side wideband: (2) MTX-L and (0) MTX-L Plus
1b. Passenger side wideband: (6) MTX-L and (1) MTX-L Plus
2. How many Innovate gauges have you replaced and type:
2a. Passenger side gauge: (2) MTX-L
3. Have you replaced Innovate with another wideband company?
3a Not yet
Thanks
Michael Plummer
And we have a happy ending........UPDATED ON 7/14/2021
Okay, I thought long and hard about posting this information because of my bad experience with Innovate wide bands but for the sake of sharing information and giving this thread some closure here it is.
The two major problems.
Problem #1: In Innovate's instructions they tell you to power up the sensors with the ignition switch. Later in those same instructions, they tell you not to start a cold engine after pre-heating the sensors. People are going to leave the key on (listening to the stereo, looking at parameters on their laptop, etc.), and anytime the key is on, the sensor is heating up.....not good. How many people will remember to turn the key off and let the sensors cool before starting the engine? Well, Pro-M fixed that problem with a dedicated power circuit for the widebands that powers up only after the engine starts.
Problem #2: Innovate's failure codes. The way Innovate was dealing with code E8 (heater failure) was not correct. When code E8 was tripped, the controller would stop heating the sensor. Guess what happens to the sensor when you run the engine with an unheated sensor. The irony is that the E8 codes were not usually due to a failed sensor, but in the way, the heater was being controlled. So you'd get code E8 and by the time you got the car home, that good sensor was dead. Install a new sensor and the process repeats.
I should also point out again that the Pro-M EMS works great with whatever wide bands you choose. You do not have to use an Innovate product at all. Contact Chris Richards and he'll set the system up for whatever wide bands you want to use......how easy is that And yes I continue to have great results with my Zeitronix wide bands.
FYI, the Pro-M EMS OBD II diagnostics will inform you if you have a wideband problem so whether your wideband has diagnostic capabilities like Innovate or not (like Zeitronix) the Pro-M EMS will tell you if you have a problem.
I hope this helps
Michael Plummer
1. How many Innovate wideband sensors have you replaced:
1a. Driver side wideband: (2) MTX-L and (0) MTX-L Plus
1b. Passenger side wideband: (6) MTX-L and (1) MTX-L Plus
2. How many Innovate gauges have you replaced and type:
2a. Passenger side gauge: (2) MTX-L
3. Have you replaced Innovate with another wideband company?
3a Not yet
Thanks
Michael Plummer
And we have a happy ending........UPDATED ON 7/14/2021
Okay, I thought long and hard about posting this information because of my bad experience with Innovate wide bands but for the sake of sharing information and giving this thread some closure here it is.
The two major problems.
Problem #1: In Innovate's instructions they tell you to power up the sensors with the ignition switch. Later in those same instructions, they tell you not to start a cold engine after pre-heating the sensors. People are going to leave the key on (listening to the stereo, looking at parameters on their laptop, etc.), and anytime the key is on, the sensor is heating up.....not good. How many people will remember to turn the key off and let the sensors cool before starting the engine? Well, Pro-M fixed that problem with a dedicated power circuit for the widebands that powers up only after the engine starts.
Problem #2: Innovate's failure codes. The way Innovate was dealing with code E8 (heater failure) was not correct. When code E8 was tripped, the controller would stop heating the sensor. Guess what happens to the sensor when you run the engine with an unheated sensor. The irony is that the E8 codes were not usually due to a failed sensor, but in the way, the heater was being controlled. So you'd get code E8 and by the time you got the car home, that good sensor was dead. Install a new sensor and the process repeats.
I should also point out again that the Pro-M EMS works great with whatever wide bands you choose. You do not have to use an Innovate product at all. Contact Chris Richards and he'll set the system up for whatever wide bands you want to use......how easy is that And yes I continue to have great results with my Zeitronix wide bands.
FYI, the Pro-M EMS OBD II diagnostics will inform you if you have a wideband problem so whether your wideband has diagnostic capabilities like Innovate or not (like Zeitronix) the Pro-M EMS will tell you if you have a problem.
I hope this helps
Michael Plummer