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408 Nitrous guys come on in

Anybody out there with a 408 combo and a little juice? I'm working on one now 11.5:1, roush 200 heads 830 HP 4150 carb cold fusion fogger c4 & 3.73's Just wanted to get some ideas what you other guys were running with similar combos. I know the heads are gonna hurt me but they were on the project when I bought it so I'm gonna see how they do and then decide if I'm gonna change them out.

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I have a 408 w/ ARF-225's, 12.5:1, good size mechanical roller cam, and a 200hp shot out of a Cheater kit. On motor it made 660hp, no spray yet, car is still going back together. Also have a TH350, with 4.10's.

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I have a 408 w/ ARF-225's, 12.5:1, good size mechanical roller cam, and a 200hp shot out of a Cheater kit. On motor it made 660hp, no spray yet, car is still going back together. Also have a TH350, with 4.10's.
Great numbers! I have a solid roller .609 lift. I'm really afraid my heads are gonna put my motor numbers in the 400's and they really should be in the 5's. I thought about ditching the 200's for some afr's but the large valves may not clear without having to tear the motor apart and notch the pistons.

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The lift on my cam is 672 intake and 694 exhaust, I had to cut .060 out of the intake valve side for clearance, I actually have the same carb as you, 830
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Well, I'm sure I have enough carb then if it's working for you. lol
you get any motor runs on it before having it back apart?

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no, everything is new and taking a looong time to get together. hopefully within a month it will be running
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ok, keep me posted. Mine won't be done for a couple months, maybe more. Time and Money, I never have enough of either!

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gotta be more than 1???

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i run a 410 stock block with tfs highports,solid cam,pro sys carb,super vic..im in tuning and testing stages still but its run a [email protected] n/a and on only a 150 shot its been [email protected] tuning and me just driving it harder im certain it will drop 1-2 tenths and then with the 250 shot should net me close to the 9.20's and im sitting right at 10.8.1
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i run a 410 stock block with tfs highports,solid cam,pro sys carb,super vic..im in tuning and testing stages still but its run a [email protected] n/a and on only a 150 shot its been [email protected] tuning and me just driving it harder im certain it will drop 1-2 tenths and then with the 250 shot should net me close to the 9.20's and im sitting right at 10.8.1
very nice! That's close to where I want to be on motor. I'm shooting for lower than 10.50's. My last motor ran 10.50's @ 10.0:1 with vic jr heads on a 393 stock block under .600 lift flat tappet cam. Not sure how bad the heads are gonna hurt me though. I'm hoping the compression (11.5:1) will make up some of what the heads are losing. How big a cam are you running? What size is the carb?


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408W here, stock block Eagle guts with 10.2:1 compression. AFR 205's , FTI solid roller and a had both a C4 and 'glide behind it.

When I had the 4.10's and C4 with the loose 8" converter the car ran 10.30's @ 131 at 3250lbs. Put on the nitrous and 3.73's broke the converter and eventually the C4 running 9.70's on a 100 shot.

Swapped to a 'glide, slowed the car down a bit N/A running 10.50-10.60 at 128-129 but on the bottle it's gone 9.40's @ 143 blowing through the converter on a 200 shot. It's gone bottom 9.50's @ 141 on a safe 150 shot tune up. Recently gone into the 9.80's @ 137 on a 50 shot but I did go to a 4.30 gear and a 29.5" drag radial with a tightened up converter. I haven't run it since but would love to see what it'd do not overpowering the converter but......


....after 6 years of abuse I broke the stock block. Haven't got it torn down yet but the right front corner is busted and the oil pressure is down so I'm pretty certain it's into the main area.
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That's the kind of numbers I'm shooting for. I'd like to get down to 10.20-10.30 on motor and then turn on the fogger and enjoy the ride into the single digits. Can't really complain about the block letting go after 6 years running those numbers, I'd say that you got your money's worth. Some of my father in law's buddies have been trying to convince me to go powerglide and swear that I will run faster but I see that it slowed you down. You have to notch your pistons for those AFR valves? Couldn't remember if the 205 had the same huge valve as the 225.

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A buddy of mine had one with 225s, victor intake, biggest doug herbert solid roller nitrous cam, a glide with a b&m nitrous holeshot converter. It went 5.50s in the 1/8 on 400.
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very nice! That's close to where I want to be on motor. I'm shooting for lower than 10.50's. My last motor ran 10.50's @ 10.0:1 with vic jr heads on a 393 stock block under .600 lift flat tappet cam. Not sure how bad the heads are gonna hurt me though. I'm hoping the compression (11.5:1) will make up some of what the heads are losing. How big a cam are you running? What size is the carb?
my engine combo was done for 445+ cubes in mind but i through it on this 410 for now, the carb is a 1000 pro systems deal, the car will/should go 10.30's n/a and 9.20's or better on this 410...i like to take one step at a time... but this car was built for spray, so for it to run that on motor its deffently a beast, my converter is tight as a ducks ass, 3.73 with a 28 tire its lazy lol off the gas
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A buddy of mine had one with 225s, victor intake, biggest doug herbert solid roller nitrous cam, a glide with a b&m nitrous holeshot converter. It went 5.50s in the 1/8 on 400.
I would kill to run that number! I'm pretty sure my motor could handle that shot but lenny said the converter should only be hit with a 300 shot so that's probably the highest I'll go.

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my engine combo was done for 445+ cubes in mind but i through it on this 410 for now, the carb is a 1000 pro systems deal, the car will/should go 10.30's n/a and 9.20's or better on this 410...i like to take one step at a time... but this car was built for spray, so for it to run that on motor its deffently a beast, my converter is tight as a ducks ass, 3.73 with a 28 tire its lazy lol off the gas
Sounds like an awesome ride. Love to see some pics of it and a vid at the track if you have any. My converter is a 9.5 inch 4500 stall. Probably should've went lower on stall for the bottle but will likely run more motor runs than bottle runs so went ahead and went with the 4500. It's was built by Lenny and I got a good deal so went ahead and jumped on it. I've heard nothing but good things about the pro-systems carbs. I'm likely going with a dominator Alky set up though. The Holly was already on it and I will keep it for if I want to go back to gas. Does pro-systems make a good alky carb?

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here is a vid of it, it is the white car, this was with a c4, before the glide swap
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here is a vid of it, it is the white car, this was with a c4, before the glide swap
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i figured id squeeze in here as im looking for info too... heres my build

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Can't really complain about the block letting go after 6 years running those numbers, I'd say that you got your money's worth. Some of my father in law's buddies have been trying to convince me to go powerglide and swear that I will run faster but I see that it slowed you down. You have to notch your pistons for those AFR valves? Couldn't remember if the 205 had the same huge valve as the 225.
Nope, I'm not too upset about busting up the block, it was the eventual goal so that's been achieved. I have a solid 1972 351W short block going in to finish up the year and then I'll likely use that stronger earlier block to rebuild the 408 if I can't swing a Dart/FRPP block. I pulled it today, I broke it good. Split #1 main cap, broke from cap mounting surface to the #1 main and out to the edge of the block. I pulled a huge chunk of cast iron out by hand after pulling 1 main stud. It's junk LOL!

Honestly I've had both the C4 and 'glide. For durability and on the bottle performance the 2 speed kills the C4. Sure the converter is tighter and it doesn't have the N/A ET anymore but on the spray the C4 can't touch it. 3 years on the 'glide now and it's been flawless. C4 had to be gone though a couple times and I ended up shattering a hardened input shaft and screwing up a $900 converter. It sits broken in the garage, 3 speeds have their place but a big inch stroker on spray, I'd never go back to one. The 'glide just gets it done well.

The AFR 205's have a big 2.08" valve in it. I never had to cut addition clearance in the pistons, my SRP's had plenty of valve relief in them with more then enough room to spare even with a .688" lift cam.

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Last year i ran a stock block with AFR 225's, Eagle internals.

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Last year i ran a stock block with AFR 225's, Eagle internals.

3200 pound coupe with a glide.4.30 gear on 26's. 200 shot and ran 5.83 1/8 mile.
Nice number. What compression is that motor? I was surprised to see your only running a 26 inch tire with that gear/motor/nitrous combo, any problems hookin?

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Nope, I'm not too upset about busting up the block, it was the eventual goal so that's been achieved. I have a solid 1972 351W short block going in to finish up the year and then I'll likely use that stronger earlier block to rebuild the 408 if I can't swing a Dart/FRPP block. I pulled it today, I broke it good. Split #1 main cap, broke from cap mounting surface to the #1 main and out to the edge of the block. I pulled a huge chunk of cast iron out by hand after pulling 1 main stud. It's junk LOL!

Honestly I've had both the C4 and 'glide. For durability and on the bottle performance the 2 speed kills the C4. Sure the converter is tighter and it doesn't have the N/A ET anymore but on the spray the C4 can't touch it. 3 years on the 'glide now and it's been flawless. C4 had to be gone though a couple times and I ended up shattering a hardened input shaft and screwing up a $900 converter. It sits broken in the garage, 3 speeds have their place but a big inch stroker on spray, I'd never go back to one. The 'glide just gets it done well.

The AFR 205's have a big 2.08" valve in it. I never had to cut addition clearance in the pistons, my SRP's had plenty of valve relief in them with more then enough room to spare even with a .688" lift cam.
awesome, I have the same pistons (at least I think) so maybe I can go ahead and get the AFR's. How much work, what all had to be done to convert over to the glide?

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went 10.50 and 9.50 tonight..still on the same tuneup ...this thing bottom 9.0's in it with the big shot....makes me never want to go back to a turbo
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i figured id squeeze in here as im looking for info too... heres my build

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looks like a killer setup, Kind of funny how you consider 13.8-1cr a street setup.

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i figured id squeeze in here as im looking for info too... heres my build

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street race car, looking to go high 9s on motor 150shot first kit 250 second.. what do u think
It should be a killer setup. Its the same as what Im building except Im going with a wilson kit and a TKO.

I already have a set of Vic jr's but cant decide if I want to use them or not. I would hate to spend 1500 on port work and getting them redone and then lose all that money if it cant put down the #'s I want.

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went 10.50 and 9.50 tonight..still on the same tuneup ...this thing bottom 9.0's in it with the big shot....makes me never want to go back to a turbo

funny u say that man i was ALL TURBO until i took a ride in a high comp nitrous street car. lol its changed my life. i havent thought about a turbo since i had my twin sn95....

duffman/jimmy8541> haha yeah well here in daytona street racing is life and either u have a high comp nitrous car or its a pump gas turbo car. not much s/c's tho. we have 100 octane and 104 here so for us thats considered pump gas lmao! shoot 13:8:1 is kinda low here. alot of the guys i race with run 14:1 or 15:1 chevy stroked small blocks on the street..i mean not pull off the trailer and race. i mean drive 15 or so miles just to hang out then go race then drive it home.were really big into consistancy and tuning so we cant afford to foul plugs n traffic and all that other b.s.

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awesome, I have the same pistons (at least I think) so maybe I can go ahead and get the AFR's. How much work, what all had to be done to convert over to the glide?
I've got the 16cc inverted dome SRP's in mine, I'm not even sure if they are still available but it put me right at 10.3:1 compression. Huge valve reliefs, and with a .688"/.688" 264/272 @ .050 cam I hadl over .120"/.140" clearance on both valves.

The 'glide was easy. JW ultrabell, flexplate dual drilled for the Ford/GM converter pattern and a crank hub adapter. Custom length driveshaft and a bit of modding to the tranny corssmember. All in all a pretty easy conversion. Using the JW parts I can run any GM style converter in the car now, no trcik one off stuff.
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lovin the numbers I'm hearing guys, I'm just itching to hurry up and get mine done. Think I'll get it running just to see how it does and then ditch the iron 64cc heads for some 58cc's or so and try and bump the compression a little more.

TC, thanks for the tranny swap info. My father in law's race buddy builds glides so I'm sure he has one around for me.

SN95, think you're the first person I've heard say high compression nitrous car over turbo car hands down. I have always wanted to go turbo, but hearing you say that makes me even more excited to get this car done. The will really be my first real nitrous car.

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hey man me too!!! im like RINGS Belt drive pushrods away from being done!!!! my good freind mike (oinkaodeoink) specializes in turbo cars as he helped me do mine and ive helped him do MANY different kits and i just cant get away from the bottle. its actually amazing how a 11:5:1 HEAVY G body on spray feels way more powerful than an 03 cobra or a procharged 302.. not to meantion the wieght and MONEY u save going spray? i dunno i guess i just had a change of heart lol

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any new numbers since we're well into the racing season?

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I know its a really old post but, my stock block 408 been taking some abuse this year started with 200 shot then just upped it to a 300 shot on a induction solutions fogger and running 24 degrees timing and hitting wheelie on the street and tearing up the street game right now in norcal taking it to the track in 2 weeks to see if i can get a mid 8 second pass with this motor while my dart block gets fixed burnt 2 pistons on a 375 shot whats the most anyone sprayed on a stock block 351 without braking

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ive spoken with a few guys north of 500 on a stock block... but they also dont make a ton of power NA.

my motor might end up with some where near a .022 jet but thats going to be about it. i'll make a lot of power NA so i cant spray a ton on a stock block with out worrying about putting the crank into the oil pan

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