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ls fox vs coyote

Fox is stock bottom lq4, stock square port topend, pat g sped smedium cam. N/a 6speed. 470whp.

Coyote is exhaust, boss intake, 150 shot. 6speed. Made 551 on 125 shot. Not dynoed on 150 shot

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Well I don't have any 1/4 passes but it did go 6.83 @ 104 in the 1/8 with a 6speed on a radial. . Should be good for 10.6-10.7
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just confirms what we already knew...there is no replacement for displacement. The weight of the cars evened out the HP difference or so it seems.

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Not many LS fans I would guess... Good video, I expected the nitrous to take the LS.... of coarse I'm one of the few ford nuts that love LS swaps. cheap, EFFECTIVE, horsepower

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of coarse I'm one of the few ford nuts that love LS swaps. cheap, EFFECTIVE, horsepower
Oh you did it now lol. I'm getting some popcorn so I can watch all the guys get bent out of shape over that comment lol

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that mph makes it seem like there is more power than that.. that's like 130ish in the 1/4.. what are the bolt ons? coyote stick or auto?. Those numbers for the coyote seem low too. most NA bolt on tuned 5.0L goes 430-450.

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Oh you did it now lol. I'm getting some popcorn so I can watch all the guys get bent out of shape over that comment lol
I'm so over it.. I've been talking about putting a turbo'd 5.3 in welfare stang for years now.. And that was before everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

I've broken enough cranks on blown 302's in the 10's... NA junkyard motor with a cam... its a no brainer for a gear head. Brand doesn't mean squat. sorta the best of both worlds, best chassis, best pushrod motor ever made.


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Here's a ls6 headed 5.3 I built a while back. Had about $1200 in the whole thing. No way you can make $/hp on a 302 or 351. ImageUploadedByAG Free1409452355.030475.jpg

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that mph makes it seem like there is more power than that.. that's like 130ish in the 1/4.. what are the bolt ons? coyote stick or auto?. Those numbers for the coyote seem low too. most NA bolt on tuned 5.0L goes 430-450.
see first post.
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see first post.
What do you mean by stock square port toped? I'm not up to snuff on the LS top ends yet. Car runs damn good, and you can shift. Any idea how heavy the car is?

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What do you mean by stock square port toped? I'm not up to snuff on the LS top ends yet. Car runs damn good, and you can shift. Any idea how heavy the car is?

Ls3 or newer heads. Not cathedral port.

It's cheaper to go buy an older truck 6.0 and new heads than it is to buy a pull out ls3.

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One of my favorite budget Mustang 5.3 combos I've seen.


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Here's a ls6 headed 5.3 I built a while back. Had about $1200 in the whole thing. No way you can make $/hp on a 302 or 351. Attachment 335521
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Better put your protective gear on, cause the haters will be on the way now! Lol

The video and car above is exactly what I used as my reasoning for my build. Too bad I got side tracked and got rid of it.
My statement is based on fact. I'm building a 302 and trying to keep it cheap. Used tfs heads, cam, ported intake and all for what? 330 hp? My 5.3 in my daily makes that.

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Ls3 or newer heads. Not cathedral port.

It's cheaper to go buy an older truck 6.0 and new heads than it is to buy a pull out ls3.
Gotcha...

I always wanted to do a 5.3 for some reason instead of a 6.0L more "comparable to a 5.0 but didn't want to step down to a 4.8.... I'm weird i guess. lol

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The video and car above is exactly what I used as my reasoning for my build. Too bad I got side tracked and got rid of it.
My statement is based on fact. I'm building a 302 and trying to keep it cheap. Used tfs heads, cam, ported intake and all for what? 330 hp? My 5.3 in my daily makes that.
Exactly.. and you had as much in your used TFS heads as what, a nice LS motor? lol

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Ls3 or newer heads. Not cathedral port.

It's cheaper to go buy an older truck 6.0 and new heads than it is to buy a pull out ls3.
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What do you mean by stock square port toped? I'm not up to snuff on the LS top ends yet. Car runs damn good, and you can shift. Any idea how heavy the car is?
Its a ls3 head and l92 escalade/denali intake. By stock I meant unported or modded. Car weighed 2820 without hood and hinges with 1/4 tank. Prob 2850 now. Thanks and those were not powershifts either. Everytime I try powershift it breaks loose.
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Ford people can argue all they want but they know its true. You can't get close to this with a sbf for the money.

850 6.0
650 ls3 heads new complete
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470whp and 432 rwtq. Not to mention it don't buck, shake, stall,idle crazy, etc. Gets 24-26 mpg with a 4.10 gear. Starts and idles perfect at 1000 no matter if its 100 degress out side or ten degrees.
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5.3 is ok but my car on motor would run right with his on a 150 shot with an auto. The coyote I ran said the dyno he was on reads really low but idk. He was on 150 instead of 125 and it made 551 on the 125.
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650 dollars for brand new assembled ls3 heads? No wonder GM needed such a huge bailout. There is no way they sell everything so cheap and make money to stay afloat.
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They have gone up now but yea they were a screaming deal.
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What did you do for ecm/wiring?

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99-02 fbody pcm and bought a plug and p lay harness. Pcm was 75 harness was 400
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Cam is only 230-238. Hyd roller. That is small/medium in ls world.
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good running car, I love LS combo's. I did my old coupe about 7-8 years ago now.

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Hell yea. Cant beat a ls fox. I started this one in 2011 and got it tuned in sept 2012. Been running like a champ since.
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get the right 6.0 and you can get the big heads on it from factory. BUT, many say they dont run good cause the valves are too shrouded by the cylinder...Ive went [email protected], you be the judge. lol My old 302 ran 6.82 on gas. No way a sbf can run as good with stock parts. My buddies 351 did out run me, he has been 6.27 on alky, i only went 6.28. He had aftermarket heads, bored block, more compression big tire car with glide and lots of gear. I do it on 275s.

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OP that white Fox runs good. For anybody thinking about this combo,You can buy an LY6 6.0L out of a van from around 2007 to 2009 and it comes with the square port heads. They go for around $12 to $1600 . This motor with a cam and springs will make close to 500HP.

I really like the Coyote motor and my next project will be a Coyote Fox but you cant beat the HP per dollar of an LS motor and they will take allot of abuse.

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Thanks guys. After seeing the coyote stock guys going 6.3 with only 440 whp and no torque with a stick I realize my car is what held me back. Its not really setup to race. This combo in the right car would go 6.1-6.2. I sold this engine about a month ago. Got a new one in the works. Ls7
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My valves were shrouded so they say but it ran pretty damn good. I also heard from the grapevine afterwards the coyote made 590rwhp and 650rwtq.
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