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My 4.6dohc turn ls1 swap coupe build thread.

Ok now that things are finishing up with my coupe, I think its time for me document the progression form turbo Windsor to dohc mod motor to lsx awesomeness.

Ok I started with a running/driving 93 coupe with my 98 cobra motor/t-45. The interior was gutted and the paint and body work was needed. But it was fun and had hydroboost power steering and brakes. And had one BIG PROBLEM....TITLE ISSUES!!!

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New shell...good title.

So not being able to drive my project. I asked around for a cleaner shell with a good title and paint and body work more complete...and low and behold my buddy tells me he's parting out his 87 coupe. His car is 07 ford dark shadow grey. It had a turbocharged Windsor/th400. I bought just the shell. It did come with an 8pt chage with swing out door bars, subframe connectors, welded torque boxes, manual brake conversion, manual rack.

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why i swapped...from mod to lsx

I started the swap from the maroon car to the grey car. I got out of the Army and funding became an issue. I wanted more power out of my mod motor but the superchargers are expensive and I didn't like the limited room to route the turbo pipes. I decided to settle for some cams and just drive the thing. BIG fail. No way I could afford 4 cams, 32 springs, etc. So I said eff-it and yanked the motor/trans and sold them off along with the maroon car, upr k, built 8.8...etc
I then swapped in a 9" with a Detroit locker, 4.10's, aerospace brakes from a drag car. And started asking around for lsx swap parts and advice, finished up my sbf swapped bmw, and committed hours and hours to research on the forums.
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christmas to me lol

Next thing I know a buddy shows up with a brand new aje kmember for free and I order up some motor mounts and a trans mount and some other things.

To all wondering the pic of the motor mount is the proper way to mount the engine "IF" you want the bellhousing further foreword as apposed to further back. "IF YOU MOUNT IT THE OTHER WAY YOU MAY HAVE ISSUES WITH YOUR TRANS MOUNT!"
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aje trans crossmember

I mounted my engine as far foreword as I could to allow me access at the top bellhousing bolts. Guess what? The trans crossmember doesn't line up! It actually sits behind the rear tab of the factory mount maxed out on adjustment.
A quick call to aje and they reminded me that the bolt on bellhousing 4l60e is in fact longer to the mounting pad than the early trans. Crap the one that says powerglide/th350/4l60/etc is wrong for myapplication. But no problem as he will make me one for this trans and next thing I know it was at my door.
As you can see he did add about an inch and a half to the offset. Guess what? It is barely enough to work in its maxed out adjustment. I personally would have added at least 3.5" so that it was in the center of adjustment or better yet about 5" so that "if" I wanted to flip the motor mounts so that it sat the engine further back I could stilluse the same trans crossmember....but no.
Also if you look at both trans mounts. He didn't bend up new ones. he just tilted them so that the exhaust curve is now adding length. So this "correct 4l60e mount" now is the wrong height changing the driveline angle and has reduced exhaust clearance....i'll use it for now but I will change it out later for something custom made later.

Lastly aje makes the swap easy by providing cheap swap parts and the customer service and "custom" mount.....credit is due. But I will never use another aje product again due to fit and finish. Budget build yes. Anything over $5k in the intire car don't bother. You get what you pay for.
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some more goodies.

Ok I traded for a brand new mushimoto all aluminum radiator and fan shroud and fans and fox hoses. I can't aford a double pass radiator and couldn't find a f body one so I figured that I can relocate the inlet and outlet on an aluminum one easly. I did it on the sbf bmw so it should be fine. That or crazy rad hoses.
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the fuel system

Consists of a magnafuel 525 tuner inline pump, dumped stock tank, -8 feed, -6 return.
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egr delete

I needed an egr delete and decided to make a compression fitting and cover out of the original egr.
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throttle cable and exhaust

Decided to try the fox throttle cable. So I made a bracket that spaced the cable where it made 100% oppen and close.

Oh and at some point a buddy offered up his kooks lsx fox headers and x pipe with magnaflows for next to nothing as he was upgrading to turbo.
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some current pics....

She's waiting one me lol. Its cold out and I'm not a fan of being cold.
I still need some things like a custom driveshaft, catch can, seats, etc but its coming along. Obviously I'm not going to try and solicit parts but if you have any thing I need shoot me some info. If you want to give me a hand (central Texas) pm me.

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update

Well I haven't gotten a lot done but did do my door panels and steering shaft.
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been workin...a little bit

I got my gto fuel rail/coil covers modded and on.
I fabbed up some delete panels out of scrap aluminum.
Fighting my gauges.....
My exhaust doesn't fit....the guy who had it made had a different trans crossmember, and also hits my driveshaft loop.
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as you can see the interest in this thread is booming! and btw aje makes a better product than most out thereon a budget or not. Have fun with your confused slow box.
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to the above above and any to follow

I'm not looking for a lot of views or replys for that matter. Just putting out what I have done so as to help others avoid some hurdles I traversed. I'm not putting aje down and gave them credit. Im just not going to use anymore of his parts. If you are a fan I will trade my aje products and cash for some teamz parts. Also my car isn't confused, it knows it is an abomination. As far as slow....idk I'm confident it will be faster than when it left the dealer in 1987. Please don't deface my thread with b-s inapplicable to the intent of the thread. Thank you.

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Keep up the good work. Some of the guys on here r a holes and will hate on u because it not a ford product. Just outrun them don't even waste your time arguing with them


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thanks

Thanks I appreciate the kind words. What's worse is I had swapped a mod motor In It first. I am not out to make "x" hp/tq or run "x" in the quarter right now. Just a solid car I can beat on. So that when my cammed nitrous ls1/4l60e dies I will swap in my 4l80e/ forged 6.0 and a small forced induction setup (15psi max) and be able to beat on it every day on the street. That's the same reason as the 9" with the locker. It won't put as much power to the ground as a 8.8 but it "should" be more durable.

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I Love the wiper motor cover. I may have to steal that idea.

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wiper cover.

Go ahead, I did 2. We always put beer cans on our motorcycle shock resivores.
Cut out the can top and bottom. Cut down the side you don't wanna see. Wrap it around the object and put on a few zipties.
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Just an fyi when you do swap motors all u need us good rod bolts and head studs and close ring gap some. They have made over 1000hp on stock bottom last


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hmmm

And people have on occasion survived skydiving with a chute failure, doesn't mean I'm willing to try it. Just saying. I know the lsx "isn't" the end all to end all. But "post swap," dollar for dollar its a lot its cost effectiveness goes way up.

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been working on some things...

Been playing with my camaro harness...removing extras.
Got my radiator hoses. Remember I'm using a fox radiator. The top hose fit perfect. And the bottom all I did was cut it in half and put a length of aluminum pipe in the middle. Part numbers are in the pic.
I did my heater hoses...less than 4 foot each of 1/2" and 5/8" not the 5/8" and 3/4" some use. Its tight but should have less chance of leaking.
And right now I am several days into cutting down the fox chassis harness.
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pics didnt work right

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got some more done.

Mounting the lsx computer in the stock location and being able to hide it under the stock kick panel required a little more work than just bolting it in. I had to cut a little bit and persuade with a large hammer. But it turned out well. I also decided to use the f-body gauge cluster to keep costs down for now. Had to remove most of the plastic behind the cluster and I will lose the dimmer switch so I will just omit it from the wireing harness. More to follow...
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Got my autometer adapter kit. Had an ignition switch come apart. Picked up some power straps.
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I decided to reuse the ford remote selonid not that I'm concerned with hot starting issues but rather that its easier to grab juice from and easier to disconnect to pull the motor faster. What I had to do is jump the bendix with copper.
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got a little bit more done.

First, thank you - "Jimmy" Yes people will always complain. The concourse guys will complain if its not stock and that you drive it. The purists will complain that you didn't use only motorsport parts. I do wish some of the hot rod world would try to recall how hotroding as we know it got started with swapping in whatever was available and within their means to go faster. I do understand that for the potentially thousands of dollars to do the lsx swap one could build a sick ford motor (be it sbf,Windsor,bbf,mod,etc.) But more like traditional hotroding (using what is available to me) or the rat rod culture (dare to be different) (p.s. I know this swap has been done dozens of times and isn't different anymore but is less mainstream.) There are plenty of threads on here for debating the strong/weak points of the different motors. Not this thread. I'm trying to show how to do these things. And if anyone asks I will try and show how to do what I have done. I have a lot of hours in researching some of these things only to find vague answers or lack of detailed information. Please ask how I did some thing if you would like further detail or clarification.
Secondly, I trimmed the hell out of the dash to make the camaro cluster fit under the stock gauge hood. As it turns out when I installed my extremely modified plastic dash over the metal brace the metal was all in the way. But to any one looking to make the cluster fit in a 87-93 fox, basically all you have to do is trim off the dimmer switch mounts and the cluster will fit inside under an unmodified gauge hood. Note I could not find a way to make it look decent whilst retaining the factory dimmer switch location. I also re-did some grounds and hots in the trunk.
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I swapped out my upr coilovers for some team-z ones. Basically same thing. The difference in the spanner is about the only thing. The upr spanner has a set screw. The team-z has two spanners the second acting like a locknut. Supposedly the team-z ones are a lot quieter so we shall see.
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Haven't done much as the weather has turned cold. But I got a battery disconnect switch that I'm going to have to convert to push pull. Also I didn't like my battery box sitting on the wires that go to my fuel sender. I like the position of the battery so I cut an access hole to the sender. I'm going to square up the hole and make an aluminum patch panel for now. Also I am going to make one in the trans tunnel for the trans cooler lines.
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I know its come down to small updates but I just can't justify putting a bunch of money in the car right now and am entertaining offers of selling or trading it so it may go slow or just be gone. But as long as I have it I will work on it and update as I go. But this isn't the classified section so that is the last I will mention it.

I needed to mount my battery shut off so I used some scrap aluminum I had laying around and fabbed this up. I sandwiched the battery box to hopefully add enough rigidity to hold up to the push pull when I get around to it.
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Parted a friends Mitsubishi EVO VIII and got his factory front recaro seats. Had to fab up mounts to shift them inward to clear the door bars.
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Lx coupe-lsx, 9", Detroit locker....wtt/wts pm me.
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Lx coupe-lsx, 9", Detroit locker....wtt/wts pm me.
Killeen, Tx

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