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Anyone using one ?

Got mine in today and the truck oil pan hits like crazy and not close to lining up.

its actually rubbing where the sump arches back in to the shallow part of the pan, I know the sump of the truck pan may hang too low but im just mocking it up for now.


from the looks of the pics it looks like the sump of the car oil pan is not as deep in the sump area but still looks like it will hit where the sump "arches" back in to the shallow part of the pan.


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i just bolted my Team Z k memeber in and it fine in the car. going to pick my 5.3 up on monday and drop it in the car for a test fit. ill let you know how it goes!


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Dave actually emailed me this morning.

There is an issue with mine. He's sending me out a new one.

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Any updates on this? Mine will be here Tuesday.

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91fiveonotchs motor lools pretty cozy in his car with the 5.3 and truck pan in it

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91fiveonotchs motor lools pretty cozy in his car with the 5.3 and truck pan in it
Did he get it put in? Any pics?

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there was an issue with the first gen k members. dave used an aftermarket pan which needed less clearance. he is going to redo (maybe already done) the k member around an f body pan to make sure it clears. there's a thread on ls1tech.com in the conversion forum about this

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the motor is in the car, its a 5.3 from a 2000 silverado. nothing done to it just a set of injectors made to fit and some cleaning.

the oil pan clears with plenty of space but does hang low. Nothing worse than a set of longtubes id say.

ill have pictures as soon as i get home for everyone who needs them!

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Mine is in too- few things were off but i guess its in and thats the important part.

the truck pan does sit low. Ive heard the car pan will not work with the current version and he may be re designing them- sucks for us that bought the first design who assumed a car pan would fit- should be some note on the site about the pan fitment in my opinion.

the lsx block plate to sbc mount had block to bolt interference and the block will have to be notched.

the motor didnt line up to the k member with the mounts installed on the block and torqued.

I had to loosen up the 4 plate to block bolts then put then engine mount bolt in and then re-tighten the block plate bolts- kind of a PITA.

the SBC mount is maybe 3/8 wider than the k member where the bolt goes thru but cinched down when i hammered it down with the impact gun.


im sure the 2nd version will be improved- after all we are not running windows 95 or have iphone 1's anymore right ?
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Dave responded in this thread about the problems with the fitment of the car pan. I definitely think he will make things right. Starts in post 57:

Fox LS-swap k-member options... - Page 3 - LS1TECH


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Dave responded in this thread about the problems with the fitment of the car pan. I definitely think he will make things right. Starts in post 57:

Fox LS-swap k-member options... - Page 3 - LS1TECH

yes- I posted in that thread as well and understand why the car pan doesnt fit.

My first k member was replaced and the 2nd one clears the truck pan just fine.

there are a few more tweaks needed and I sent Dave the pics of the area's that could used to be tweaked.
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Cool. Is it something he'll be able to make work by making new mounts? Or does the K-member have to be redesigned?

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Cool. Is it something he'll be able to make work by making new mounts? Or does the K-member have to be redesigned?

not sure exactly - if your talking about the car pan fitment i think that will be a k member redesign.

as far as the minor fitment issues- they are easy enough to work around once you figure them out.

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I was referring to the pan fitment. We'll see what he comes up with. I was looking at the Moroso pans but the are $400-$600 by the time you buy the pan, pickup, etc.

I've seen this as an option to. Wondering if it would clear in the Team-Z K-member

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This guy ran it in a fox coupe. But he just used motor mount adapters instead of K-member. He said :

"Ya I just measured it, the F body one is about 5.25 inches, the pan I got is about 7.5. The swap pan was 156.00 shipped with everything. I have a 5th gen pan on the motor now and that one is way to big. At least I can set the motor in with this one and get some stuff mocked up. I'll change it later if I think its to low. Thanks!"

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I was referring to the pan fitment. We'll see what he comes up with. I was looking at the Moroso pans but the are $400-$600 by the time you buy the pan, pickup, etc.

I've seen this as an option to. Wondering if it would clear in the Team-Z K-member

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that pan is only 3/4" shorter than the truck pan.


the car pan is 3" shorter than the truck pan.
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How about modifying the truck pan by cutting it down? I know people have done that. What all is involved? I assume the pickup has to be shortened too. Anything else?

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I had the same problems.

the block needed notching so instead i threw about a inch of weld on the top of the plate.

the mounts needed to be unbolted from the other side just to match up then retightened.

also i made 1/4" spacers out of aluminum stock on a lathe to make up for that gap.

overall im impressed though

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I had the same problems.

the block needed notching so instead i threw about a inch of weld on the top of the plate.

the mounts needed to be unbolted from the other side just to match up then retightened.

also i made 1/4" spacers out of aluminum stock on a lathe to make up for that gap.

overall im impressed though
Have any pictures? I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are talking about. Having a blonde moment I guess lol

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Have any pictures? I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are talking about. Having a blonde moment I guess lol





the block has to be clearanced behind that missing bolt. (the top missing bolt) there is a casting rib on the block right there- took 5 minutes with a die grinder.

the bottom bolt in the pics thats missing fits fine- it was just missing in the pic

there is a decent gap between the mount and k member- mine squeezed together using an impact gun. who knows what it will be like when I remove it- you may want to just shim it with washers.


I had to loosen up the 4 bolts that hold the "plate" to the block to get the "mount" to line up with the k member then retighten.

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Thats using the truck pan or the car pan?

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Thats using the truck pan or the car pan?
im using a truck pan for now but that has nothing to do with that pic or bolt fitment issues.
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Yeah sorry, didn't mean to imply they were related. Just meant to ask if you were using the truck pan or car pan. Sorry for the confusion. This oil pan stuff has my brain turning to jello lol. I need to figure out what pan to get so I can get it ordered.

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if you bought a budget $200-300 truck motor like I did and on a tight budget just try the truck pan and see what happens.


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Exactly what I think I'm going to do. Unless I come across a deal thats too good to pass up. I still need to order my engine mounts for my Team-Z k-member I bought. Waiting to see what Dave comes up with.

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Although it hangs stupid low, the truck pan fits with my Team Z k member. Don't think I'm going to be able to run it, but we'll see what happens. Car still needs to come down at least another inch compared to the pics below.

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I use the Fox K-member, and I use a modified Fbody Pan
no issues here...
I also have a 408, using 2" Heddman swap headers, and Motor plate and midplate so I could set the motor as low as humanly possible.















to give you an idea of how low the headers are..
What this equates to... is that truck pan will still be fine on the street...




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another good option is the cts-v pan. though it can be hard to find. this is the new version of it. if you search for "LSA" pan you can see it's the new version. they're cheap on ebay and i just odered one. i'll post up my fitment pics in a week or two. just waiting for it to arrive.

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another good option is the cts-v pan. though it can be hard to find. this is the new version of it. if you search for "LSA" pan you can see it's the new version. they're cheap on ebay and i just odered one. i'll post up my fitment pics in a week or two. just waiting for it to arrive.

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So how did this end up working? I bought one but haven't gotten that far into my build.
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I bought that same kit and it showed up yesterday. As soon as I get some time to clean the engine off I'm going to throw the pan on and see how it fits. I imagine it will be fine as the truck pan fit, but was just too deep.

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Take some pics and measurements when you do. Curious to see how it fits.

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Take some pics and measurements when you do. Curious to see how it fits.
What measurements are you wanting to see? Here is a pic of the pan installed on the engine.
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That pan is not going to clear the Team z k or the AJE k.........the only pan that clears the t z k is the GM truck pan that hangs way way to low......or the Moroso pan....by the time you by the Moroso pan and hardware and the oil filter relocation kit your up to $600-700..

Also in most or all fox Mustangs the Dynatech headers don`t fit with the t z k with his LS motor mounts.....
To make them work you would need to move the motor back about 1 inch so that the steering shaft clears.......Some guys have gotten lucky with the Kooks headers....some not all........

Dave has known about these problems for about 5 months and has done nothing about it..... and heres why......at least this is what i think......He can`t just make new LS motor mount to fix all the problems.......He would need to make a new jig for the k-member itself......= big bucks....

To this day Dave is still selling the k-member and ls motor mounts and as of 4 days ago he is still telling people to use the truck oil pan and the Dynatech headers when he knows theres a problem with both..

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What measurements are you wanting to see? Here is a pic of the pan installed on the engine.
Have you dropped it in yet? Is the k-member already in the car. If not, you could bolt it up in the engine stand.

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That pan is not going to clear the Team z k or the AJE k.........the only pan that clears the t z k is the GM truck pan that hangs way way to low......or the Moroso pan....by the time you by the Moroso pan and hardware and the oil filter relocation kit your up to $600-700..

Also in most or all fox Mustangs the Dynatech headers don`t fit with the t z k with his LS motor mounts.....
To make them work you would need to move the motor back about 1 inch so that the steering shaft clears.......Some guys have gotten lucky with the Kooks headers....some not all........

Dave has known about these problems for about 5 months and has done nothing about it..... and heres why......at least this is what i think......He can`t just make new LS motor mount to fix all the problems.......He would need to make a new jig for the k-member itself......= big bucks....

To this day Dave is still selling the k-member and ls motor mounts and as of 4 days ago he is still telling people to use the truck oil pan and the Dynatech headers when he knows theres a problem with both..
Have you installed a Team-Z k-member before? The only oil pan that I know of that is confirmed not to work is the F-body pan. Just curious which one you tried that didn't work.

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