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post #1 of 35 Old 11-21-2010, 01:16 AM Thread Starter
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Question what's need to put a SBC in an 87 Hatch?

as the title states i just got myself a 1987 hatchback with T-Tops. no motor or trans. car was a 4 cylinder. i have the 350SBC already. just wanting to know mainly what else id need and have to do to get it in and running. would like to run a TH-350/400 trans to a Ford 8.8/9". thanks for any help as id like to start getting into this soon


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AJE K member and trans x member.

Swap headers. Etc etc.

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what struts would anyone recommend as the car will be a street/strip car. primarily strip.

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Kooks and Dynatech both make a header; but they have a "Stahl" pattern, so make sure you get the right adaptor plates for your sbc. The ones that come in the kit are too big for most of your "offf-the shelf" conventional 23* heads. Stahl will sell you the correct size. (that's an extra $80.00 to tack on to your project..). If you watch the "classifieds" over at Yellowbullet.com; you'll see some used on there for a decent price. Might try that first before you buy brand-new.
I've heard that first gen Camaro headers will work with a little surgery on a couple of the tubes on one side; but I can't confirm that for sure.
As far as the AJ&E K-member goes; they are a complete bolt-in deal that works great. I know first-hand. A few years ago; I bought a '79 notch 4 cyl car for a couple of hundred bucks. A buddy of mine had a bunch of left over SBC parts; so we did the swap. Very straight-forward deal. Be sure and get the transmission cross-member too. With a PG, I had to use a hammer and dent quite abit of the transmission tunnel on the driver side and right above the dr. side collector, too.
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thanks man. gonna go check this all out. ill be back before long. gotta go eat turkey and fight for presents lol

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Hold that turkey leg like a Pro5.0 shifter..

No problem. If you run into anything else along the way let me know. This is all still pretty fresh on my mind.
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to have the coilovers to be complete what else will i need other than what's in the "Must Have" kit? still trying to check around and see what all ill need for coilovers as i have no prior experience with them. wanting to try something new

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I seen a fox drop top on you tube use S10 V8 swap headers, then fab your exhaust. Might be a cheaper alternative. FYI
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so the other than the the K member, A- arms, and the coilovers in the AJE kit i'll need some Stuts? and thats pretty much it to just get the install in? thinking of going with Lakewood 90/10s? any opinions as it will be somewhat a street/strip setup with 80% of it being strip duty.

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Yeah, that's pretty much it. If you're in a pinch for money, you can actually use your factory a-arms and struts. No lightweight savings though.
I drive mine on the street occasionally and to be completely honest about it; the coil-overs are very "creaky" and noisy in tight turns (like pulling into and backing out of parking spaces..). I wouldn't use them on a street car that sees regular use.JMO. I'm picky about my street cars.
The 90/10's will be fine.

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yeah. just wanting to make sure i get all the parts i need @ once. so the coilover kit just slips over the struts to allow for an adjustable ride height? saw a walk through and thats how the UPR kit looked like it worked. but ill be going with the AJE(sbc mounts)

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If you buy the Lakewood struts; you'll need to remove the flange on the top of the struts, if I remember correctly. You'll see three spot-welds there. Seems like I used a 3/8" drill bit and drilled lightly until I went through the welds, the it'll just pull off and then you can slide your coil overs over them.
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Quick vid of this last weekend's "spin-fest". SBC that won't hook..
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not too bad man. just so ready to get the front suspension together so i can hop on the engine and trans. debating on the Lakewoods or possible, Strange, QA1 struts. any opinions?

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would any of the QA1 or Strange adjustable Struts just bolt in with the AJE coilovers without having to mod the strut like mentioned in the above Lakewood 90/10s? thanks

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would any of the QA1 or Strange adjustable Struts just bolt in with the AJE coilovers without having to mod the strut like mentioned in the above Lakewood 90/10s? thanks
Couldn't tell you. I've only personally dealt with the Lakewoods. The "mod" you are talking about is every bit of a 5 minute job. Don't let that discourage you..
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Quick vid of this last weekend's "spin-fest". SBC that won't hook..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g9Mp45ceFA
Nice, whatcha got in that car? LS motor?

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Thanks. It's a 2-bolt main, 400SBC, flat-tappet cam, Iron Eagle heads, 850 Holley. No bottle yet; still trying to figure why this car spins. It's best time so far has been [email protected] 106 leaving off a foot-brake with a Powerglide and 4.10's.
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trying to find out what struts to order but i keep seeing front struts and front shocks? what would i need to use the AJE coilovers with the AJE K member and a arms? pretty sure id be wanting the struts. if anyone has a part number to the style of strut i should be looking for would be great so i can see what characteristics i shud be looking for when placing my order. thanks

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trying to find out what struts to order but i keep seeing front struts and front shocks? what would i need to use the AJE coilovers with the AJE K member and a arms? pretty sure id be wanting the struts. if anyone has a part number to the style of strut i should be looking for would be great so i can see what characteristics i shud be looking for when placing my order. thanks
If you don't want to run the Lakewoods; why don't you call AJ&E and ask them what they'd recommend. FOX cars never came with a front "shock" to my knowledge.
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im gonna call AJE monday and see what they suggest that should work with their setup. what steering setup did you use in your swap with the SBC? and would a power setup work?

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im gonna call AJE monday and see what they suggest that should work with their setup. what steering setup did you use in your swap with the SBC? and would a power setup work?
I bought a Flaming River rack and steering shaft through AJ&E. I hate the rack. It's way too slow. Not sure how many turns it is "lock to lock"; but it's horrible. It may find it's way into the classifieds before too long. I would be inclined to use a power set-up with the hoses just "looped" into each other..or maybe a factory manual set-up from NAPA or somewhere like that.
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alright man. thanks. ill keep that in mind

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its not letting me sign in. what was it that you found?

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Yeah, you probably have to be a member to view classifieds. There was a brand new set of Kooks SBC/FOX headers for $400.00.
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heard a lot of bad stories on kooks headers, so who makes the best fiting header , thats 1 piece design

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Couldn't tell you who's the best. All I know is what I've got with Kooks. They are one piece.
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trying to find out what struts to order but i keep seeing front struts and front shocks? what would i need to use the AJE coilovers with the AJE K member and a arms? pretty sure id be wanting the struts. if anyone has a part number to the style of strut i should be looking for would be great so i can see what characteristics i shud be looking for when placing my order. thanks
ever look into strange adj struts.. if your goin with coilover set up im pretty sure you can use them with any strut they just slide over the whole thing. Or you can just run the strange adj which have 10 or five settings depending on what ones you get and just use drag springs in stock location. i have strange adj on my car with stock v8 springs, there set on 5 (med) i drive it everday and it rides like a cadillac. Then when you wanna launch it just loosen them up all the way

If your lookin for the right spring rate for the coilovers call UPR or someother susp. company. lots of fox cars i see use 175 lb springs with there coil over set up but there maily track cars and some street.

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Couldn't tell you who's the best. All I know is what I've got with Kooks. They are one piece.
how did they fit

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how did they fit
Pretty good. The driver side was pretty uneventful. No problems "upstairs"; but getting under the car, the collector will get pretty close to the transmission tunnel. A little bit of hammer work to get some clearance there and all was settled. On the passenger side; #2 tube as it leaves the head and makes it's way down toward the K-member gusset had to be dented in about an 1/8" or so deep and probably about 1/2" wide. On #4 tube as it leaves the head and goes toward the frame rail (right under the shock tower) and makes it's turn to go underneath the car, it was hitting the frame rail. I pulled it back out and sunk in an area about 1" wide and somewhere just around an 1/8 deep. That did it. You could actually do all the denting with the headers in the car; just by using a pry-bar if you wanted to. I was trying to keep all my dents as smooth as possible.
The main thing is before you put them in the car; have your engine on an engine stand and trial fit them. The adaptor plates they'll send you will be all over the head studs (not sure on OEM style regular head bolts). I spent way more time grinding on the plates than I did on denting the tubes on the install.
Another thing to watch that really bit me was when I bolted my actual headers onto my adaptor plates, I didn't realize that the bolts were actually too long and were going through the plates and then actually bottoming out on the cylinder head itself. This caused an immediate header leak. Talk about a pain in the a**.. So do yourself a favor and pay attention to those bolts. as they may have to be shortened slightly so they won't bottom out. Be sure and use high temp orange silicon( or an equivalent..) and it's a pretty straight-forward deal. One other thing- the collectors don't come with any flanges or or provisions for exhaust/muffler attachment so you'll want to address that before you get them in the car.
What I did on mine was; to go down to our local big truck parts house and bought two of their 3 1/2" exhaust universal couplings. (they are a "flex" type with a slip fit) They worked perfect. Just be sure to put on some anti-seize compound before you tighten them up. One half went around the collector and the other went around my 3 1/2" exhaust pipes that are welded into my Dynomax Ultra-Flo's. No exhaust leaks and very easy to work on and take apart.
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Pretty good. The driver side was pretty uneventful. No problems "upstairs"; but getting under the car, the collector will get pretty close to the transmission tunnel. A little bit of hammer work to get some clearance there and all was settled. On the passenger side; #2 tube as it leaves the head and makes it's way down toward the K-member gusset had to be dented in about an 1/8" or so deep and probably about 1/2" wide. On #4 tube as it leaves the head and goes toward the frame rail (right under the shock tower) and makes it's turn to go underneath the car, it was hitting the frame rail. I pulled it back out and sunk in an area about 1" wide and somewhere just around an 1/8 deep. That did it. You could actually do all the denting with the headers in the car; just by using a pry-bar if you wanted to. I was trying to keep all my dents as smooth as possible.
The main thing is before you put them in the car; have your engine on an engine stand and trial fit them. The adaptor plates they'll send you will be all over the head studs (not sure on OEM style regular head bolts). I spent way more time grinding on the plates than I did on denting the tubes on the install.
Another thing to watch that really bit me was when I bolted my actual headers onto my adaptor plates, I didn't realize that the bolts were actually too long and were going through the plates and then actually bottoming out on the cylinder head itself. This caused an immediate header leak. Talk about a pain in the a**.. So do yourself a favor and pay attention to those bolts. as they may have to be shortened slightly so they won't bottom out. Be sure and use high temp orange silicon( or an equivalent..) and it's a pretty straight-forward deal. One other thing- the collectors don't come with any flanges or or provisions for exhaust/muffler attachment so you'll want to address that before you get them in the car.
What I did on mine was; to go down to our local big truck parts house and bought two of their 3 1/2" exhaust universal couplings. (they are a "flex" type with a slip fit) They worked perfect. Just be sure to put on some anti-seize compound before you tighten them up. One half went around the collector and the other went around my 3 1/2" exhaust pipes that are welded into my Dynomax Ultra-Flo's. No exhaust leaks and very easy to work on and take apart.
Hope this helps.
wtf..sounds like a bunch of crap to pay 700.00 for headers and have to beat on them wonder how then dynatech header fit

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wtf..sounds like a bunch of crap to pay 700.00 for headers and have to beat on them wonder how then dynatech header fit
lol. true. ima check on the Dynatech's also. pc crashed for a while. time to get back to building and piecing

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kooks for me fit like absolute #### and there custmoer service was the worse ive seen. i will never buy kooks again
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kooks for me fit like absolute #### and there custmoer service was the worse ive seen. i will never buy kooks again
Yeah, their customer service leaves alot to be desired. I had questions about the supplied adaptor plates. After a few attempts I gave up.
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