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post #1 of 39 Old 08-16-2010, 12:53 PM Thread Starter
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Anyone care to predict how quick this LQ9 coupe can go bone stock?

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Maybe 11.50 to 11.90 if the 6.0 is stock

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Thats pretty quick for bone stock Escalade motor. My plan is obviously to build it up quite a bit from stock, but I want to get it rolling in stock form before I throw a bunch of parts at it. If it goes 11's on motor I might be tempted to just spray it for a while.
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What do you think the car weighs? 2650 and the lq9 makes 350 hp and over 350 torque you also said it has headers

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It will probably ET in the low 12's.
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Is that your car? Call me this evening and ill see if I cant help you out. With a bone stock lq4 in my 86 coupe that weighs 3000lb with me in it went [email protected] with a 1.70 60ft in 4000ft da. It will go 11.9 in good air/better 60ft.

All mine has is longtubes/cai/and a good tune. also th350 with 3200 converter and 8.8 with 3.73's

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It will probably ET in the low 12's.
That's probably the correct et but if the car is a light as he says it is it could break 11's
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I really have no idea what it'll weigh. I figure with it being a coupe, glass hood/trunk, very limited interior, very light seats, fuel cell, tubular everything, lightweight brakes, etc. that it shouldn't weigh much.

I talked to another guy with a coupe that is similarly equipped and he weighed just over 2500lbs.
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Is that your car? Call me this evening and ill see if I cant help you out. With a bone stock lq4 in my 86 coupe that weighs 3000lb with me in it went [email protected] with a 1.70 60ft in 4000ft da. It will go 11.9 in good air/better 60ft.

All mine has is longtubes/cai/and a good tune. also th350 with 3200 converter and 8.8 with 3.73's

You can see my build over at ls1tech.com under the crossbreed/mix section there username is orangenotch there.
I checked out your build, our cars are going to be VERY similar. I have quite a few questions to ask so I'll start making a list so I don't babble on and on!
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I sent you a pm back. You'll be happy with it. Plenty of growing room/potential and will drive like stock. Im happy with mine.


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I never got the PM back. Could you send it to my email james.k.karger at gmail dot com
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i put a bone stock 100k lq4 in my coupe a few weeks ago and have been testing it....you'll be suprised how fast they are stock...

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i put a bone stock 100k lq4 in my coupe a few weeks ago and have been testing it....you'll be suprised how fast they are stock...
Wow... That's pretty amazing. You took a stock 300 HP <(when it was new)> truck motor, put a cam in it, and got over 600 HP out of it with only a cam change... That's gotta be some kind of world record cam shaft swap. What cam did you use? I have a LQ4 with 77K mile on it and I want to duplicate those results. I even have another Mustang to put it in.
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Wow... That's pretty amazing. You took a stock 300 HP <(when it was new)> truck motor, put a cam in it, and got over 600 HP out of it with only a cam change... That's gotta be some kind of world record cam shaft swap. What cam did you use? I have a LQ4 with 77K mile on it and I want to duplicate those results. I even have another Mustang to put it in.
it does'nt have 600 hp...but its in a fairly light coupe that has a good suspension...these motors make alot of torque dont hurt either...the motor in it now has a stock zo6 cam and has ran 6.50's at 103 and the other one had a polluter in it and ran 9.80's in the qtr in warm weather...

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it does'nt have 600 hp...but its in a fairly light coupe that has a good suspension...these motors make alot of torque dont hurt either...the motor in it now has a stock zo6 cam and has ran 6.50's at 103 and the other one had a polluter in it and ran 9.80's in the qtr in warm weather...
Oh... Well I was just going by your signature stats. And trust me when I say this, I'm very much aware of what the LS series engines can do, since I build them for a living. That and build race cars too. I've also owned 5 fox body mustangs and have two right now... One with a LS engine in it.

Calculating HP from ET and MPH is pretty much cut and dry. And your car running a 9.81 at almost 135 MPH puts you very close to 600 HP... Based on a "Race weight" of 2800 lbs. I have a coupe and that's about what it weighs sitting at the starting line with me in it... I weigh 190 lbs.
And my LS powered Coupe, with 650-ish HP runs a 9.91 @ 139 MPH.... Which is slower ET wise but faster MPH wise than your totally stock cam only 300 HP <(originally)> LQ4 engine... So either your car is super, super light and has a 1.20-ish 60 foot time, or you have a almost 300 HP cam improvement... And with a stock C/R of 9.4:1, I don't see a very large cam and that C/R working well together... So please tell me what I'm missing because something just doesn't add up.
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What I would also like to see explained is he takes a 6.0 low compression low performance motor that has around 360 cubic inches, adds a Z06 cam, and ends up with way more power than the actual 500 hp Z06 LS7 motor?

For those of you who may not know. The LS7 isn't no joke of a factory motor. It has lightweight pistons, titanium rods, lightweight crank, WAY better flowing heads heads and intake than a 6.0, more compression....as well as around 70 more cubic inches. But somehow, v62go can manage to get more out of a inferior 6.0 truck motor (with a Z06 cam) than even the actual Z06 LS7 has.

I'm with LS Coupe, I think a thorough explanation is an order here.

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I'm willing to bet that v62go car may put 380 to the wheels on a good day with the ls6 cam in it and all bolt ons he has. With the polluter I could see 420 or so to the wheels.

Now add a stall, gears, and good suspension and tires you have yourself a runner.

Let's do it this way:
2001 z28 with bone stock lq4 will run around 8.4s in the 1/8 @ 3600lbs

Subtract 800lbs for the stock lq4 motor going into the coupe weighing 2800.

Using the 100lbs = 1/10th rule. -800lbs will net a 7.6 theoretically in a 2800lb coupe.

Add a stall which usually drops .4 to .5 sec off et on a stock z28. So a stalled stock lq4 in a coupe should run around 7.3 there abouts.

Add an ls6 cam which is usually 15-25 rwhp gain you subtract 2 tenths off et. So 7.1 theoretically.

Add all bolt ons, which should be around 30rwhp So another 2 tenths = 6.9.

Then add heads and suspension and just a car that works. I don't think it's to far fetched to say that a 6.5 na with all bolt ons, and a decent set of heads and cam that work together won't happen.

Bone stock lq4 and I mean actual stock would prob put down 290rwhp in a stang. Add the real world rwhp numbers that I've seen his particular parts put down I'm bout right on with the 380 rwhp number.


I've also seen a stock stalled z28 run 7.8's all day long and 12.2's in the 1/4. That's an ls1 5.7 not a 6.0 also.
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Then add heads and suspension and just a car that works. I don't think it's to far fetched to say that a 6.5 na with all bolt ons, and a decent set of heads and cam that work together won't happen.
Yes, but....he didn't say anything about heads or bolt ons. He wants people to believe that he took a bone stock motor from a truck, added a Z06 cam, and now runs high 9s in the 1/4. As mentioned before, this truck motor made barely over 300 hp stock. So, what we want to know is how he added a Z06 cam to an otherwise bone stock motor and netted a 200+ hp gain. According to this theory, his stock truck motor with a Z06 cam makes way more power than an the actual Z06 motor does with a Z06 cam.

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Peak numbers don't mean ####. A well sorted out combo in a lightweight coupe will run those numbers if you drive the hell out of it and rev it to the moon.
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Peak numbers don't mean ####. A well sorted out combo in a lightweight coupe will run those numbers if you drive the hell out of it and rev it to the moon.
Yeah but it's not a well sorted out combo. He say's it's a bone stock motor with a Z06 cam, which is basically a stock cam also. What's so well sorted about that? I agree that peak numbers don't necessarily always mean ####....but it still takes more than a minimum of say, 500 hp to run high 9s in a 2700-2800 pound car. On the motor at that. Now, if he's shooting it with a 250 shot of nitrous, that's a different story, but he hasn't said that.


I'm afraid he might have backed himself into a corner....

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Raceallday1 gets the point... You other guys don't. Re-read V62go's post again. "Stock, cam only" ... I just don't see it, so I want more data to help me see it.

If you guys read the net, there are a TON of LS powered Fox body Mustangs out there with a LOT more motor running a LOT slower times and MPH. And like I said earlier, I build LS engines for a living so I KNOW what theses engines can and can not do... But with that said, if I can buy a junk yard Lq4 engine, put a cam it and get that kinda power... I wanna know more.

PS: I have a Lq4 engine. Tell me the cam and I'll install it and Dyno it and post the data.
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Just a comparison. We have a stock elim ls car. Engine dyno 510hp Got to run stock untouched ls2 heads and intake. Cam you have to run stock lift but can do some duration ,stock t.b .30 over with stock stroke etc. Basically stock w headers and computer. Has 100$ engine tech lifters(can turn 8500 but normally shift at 7800) It weights 2935 n runs [email protected] 102. Needs more gear(has no wheel speed) but will hopefully go faster next year. This is at 4000 foot and Air at bout 5500. We also dynoed a 6.0- stock bottom end w headers , light cam ,spider intake w fast t.b. , it dynoed 580. Anyhow I wouldn't see a problem running 11's w the suspension setup good!!

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Just a comparison. We have a stock elim ls car. Engine dyno 510hp Got to run stock untouched ls2 heads and intake. Cam you have to run stock lift but can do some duration ,stock t.b .30 over with stock stroke etc. Basically stock w headers and computer. Has 100$ engine tech lifters(can turn 8500 but normally shift at 7800) It weights 2935 n runs [email protected] 102. Needs more gear(has no wheel speed) but will hopefully go faster next year. This is at 4000 foot and Air at bout 5500. We also dynoed a 6.0- stock bottom end w headers , light cam ,spider intake w fast t.b. , it dynoed 580. Anyhow I wouldn't see a problem running 11's w the suspension setup good!!
On the 6.0 with stock bottom end; what heads were you using, the LS2's?
Any idea what they flowed?
Chris over at Automotive Machine was telling me about someone doing some dyno pulls with some L92's, was wondering if this was the combo? Thanks.
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Just a comparison. We have a stock elim ls car. Engine dyno 510hp Got to run stock untouched ls2 heads and intake. Cam you have to run stock lift but can do some duration ,stock t.b .30 over with stock stroke etc. Basically stock w headers and computer. Has 100$ engine tech lifters(can turn 8500 but normally shift at 7800) It weights 2935 n runs [email protected] 102. Needs more gear(has no wheel speed) but will hopefully go faster next year. This is at 4000 foot and Air at bout 5500. We also dynoed a 6.0- stock bottom end w headers , light cam ,spider intake w fast t.b. , it dynoed 580. Anyhow I wouldn't see a problem running 11's w the suspension setup good!!
That is some good data, but it's far from a "apples to apples" data from a 100K mile Lq4 with just a cam swap... And that's what I'm trying to figure out. And 11's is a long way off from 9.80's and 134 mph. And guys, don't get me wrong, if he did it, that's great! And if it can be done once, it can be done again, and I have everything on hand to do the test.

Here is the car I will put it in when I get done with it. 2800 lbs race weight.

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On the 6.0 with stock bottom end; what heads were you using, the LS2's?
Any idea what they flowed?
Chris over at Automotive Machine was telling me about someone doing some dyno pulls with some L92's, was wondering if this was the combo? Thanks.
Yes it was tge l92 heads outta the box. And it was 560 not 580. Bit with a nastier cam etc it would have 600!! That combo chris was talking bout is going in a pro touring 69 camaro. I'm in the oilfield part of the shop but the guys at the race shop love em some lsx stuff!! They almost had an ls in my car!!

As far as getting into the 990 range- next year the stocker should be there w the stock ls2 parts 70 over motor but all the same as described above plus some gear and lil more h.p.!! It needs to run the 990-1000 to be very completive in stock!! Basically went 1060 with it this year- not too bad on 1st try but not good enough!

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Yes it was tge l92 heads outta the box. And it was 560 not 580. Bit with a nastier cam etc it would have 600!! That combo chris was talking bout is going in a pro touring 69 camaro. I'm in the oilfield part of the shop but the guys at the race shop love em some lsx stuff!! They almost had an ls in my car!!

As far as getting into the 990 range- next year the stocker should be there w the stock ls2 parts 70 over motor but all the same as described above plus some gear and lil more h.p.!! It needs to run the 990-1000 to be very completive in stock!! Basically went 1060 with it this year- not too bad on 1st try but not good enough!
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thanks guys,i love all the attention...but when i was reading all of this,it went from my stock zo6 cam'd motor(6.50's 1/8 mile)to my polluter cam'd motor with the factory 799 heads on it(9.80's 1/4 mile)two different motors...and the person thats getting things confused knows they are two different motors that run two different times...he's just doing this to manipulate the the facts and cause trouble...he only comes to this section to start trouble with anything thats not ford clever powered and thats all....now for the facts my car weighs what i've posted it weighs and it runs what i've posted it runs no nitrous and no b.s....i've been on here to post facts and to help anybody i could help with their cars,i dont ask for nothing and dont expect nothing from no one...fact being i spend alot of money,time and trouble for real information not "what if" stuff...i've went into detail about my car,trans,suspension,fuel system etc....funny thing about it is,few of the guys that pm me wanting help and i help gladly are the ones that drag me thru the mud....most anybody can do a car like mine,i've put the info out there for you...and if you need help i'll still be more than happy to help you also...as for the guy that keeps calling b.s....i've offered this deal a few times"put your money where your mouth is" i'll meet you at a track thats = amount of distance for both of us to drive and i'll make some passes and then i'll pull the front of the motor apart and the heads off afterwards...but this will have to be worth my while......my car is loaded up and ready to go...and before you say something else stupid,if i'm willing to haul my car across two states and tear my motor apart you should be willing to meet me some where...sounds reasonable enough to me....all you have to do is pm me and we will set this up.....

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Oh... Well I was just going by your signature stats. And trust me when I say this, I'm very much aware of what the LS series engines can do, since I build them for a living. That and build race cars too. I've also owned 5 fox body mustangs and have two right now... One with a LS engine in it.

Calculating HP from ET and MPH is pretty much cut and dry. And your car running a 9.81 at almost 135 MPH puts you very close to 600 HP... Based on a "Race weight" of 2800 lbs. I have a coupe and that's about what it weighs sitting at the starting line with me in it... I weigh 190 lbs.
And my LS powered Coupe, with 650-ish HP runs a 9.91 @ 139 MPH.... Which is slower ET wise but faster MPH wise than your totally stock cam only 300 HP <(originally)> LQ4 engine... So either your car is super, super light and has a 1.20-ish 60 foot time, or you have a almost 300 HP cam improvement... And with a stock C/R of 9.4:1, I don't see a very large cam and that C/R working well together... So please tell me what I'm missing because something just doesn't add up.
i thought you were talking about my zo6 cam'd motor...sorry for the confusion...my poluter cam'd motor with the factory 799 heads did make some descent power....thanks

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thanks...some people think that only the motor makes the car go fast.....lol

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i thought you were talking about my zo6 cam'd motor...sorry for the confusion...my poluter cam'd motor with the factory 799 heads did make some descent power....thanks
No problem, and thanks for the PM... That cleared up all of my questions.

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No problem, and thanks for the PM... That cleared up all of my questions.

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no,thank you clay...with a 139 mph trap speed looks likes you know what you're doing with these ls motors....billy

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the heat with pump gas on a radial and thru the mufflers....
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v62go's car is a bad mofo. Makes me want to put an ls motor in mine every time I see it run.
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haters are going to hate.... i am sure billy has nothing to hide, he dont work for gm... he dont work for a chevy shop, anyone else on here would brag about a fast car cheaper setup too... not that his setup is cheap, just bc the long block is cheap doesnt mean the rest of the car is!!!!!! but it does suck from a ford stand point when you can buy a junkyard short or long block and go run 9.80's with a few small mods... i love ford and work for ford, but i dont see another motor out there that we have in a production car that will run 9.80's for the same money as a lq4-lq9 motor...

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