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sbf....1969 camaro

hey guys like to see what you guys think about a tranny ive got an 1969 camaro z28 i took the ls2 and turbo 350 trans out and sold it.. im a ford guy but love the look of the camaro.that ls2 would barely spin the tires but i have the 306 engine allready bolted down what trany should i use a turbo 350 or a c-4 the motor is built by myself its a 306 11.5 to 1 compression with canfield heads an a .576 lift and 308 duration camshaft with a super victor intake and a 750 holley dp on the engine dyno i made 432 hp and 472 torque (should be plenty for that camaro) its got a 9inch ford with 4.30 gears so let me know what you guys think

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I'm a die hard Ford guy but with that said, you are taking a huge step backwards going from a LS2 to a Ford 306. If your LS2 couldn't spin the tires, you had something very wrong.

A 306 N/A making that kind of power is going to be very radical, poor drivability and fuel milage. It will probably need some type of higher octane fuel as well.

You could get that kind of power from an LS2 with ease while keeping some street manners and fuel milage on simple 93 octane all day long.

As I said above, you took a huge step back IMO.

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well i allready had this combo dynod and it was on 93 pump gas i duno much bout ls2 motors but i know it had a ms4 texas speed cam or something like that some ls7 heads and somekind of intake it mad 367rwhp and 412 torque but it just didnt pull that hard to me and it would spin tires but just really didnt have that pull factor
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well i allready had this combo dynod and it was on 93 pump gas i duno much bout ls2 motors but i know it had a ms4 texas speed cam or something like that some ls7 heads and somekind of intake it mad 367rwhp and 412 torque but it just didnt pull that hard to me and it would spin tires but just really didnt have that pull factor
You had something wrong. I have friends making well over 400 rwhp with a simple cam swap, long tube headers and a tune with the LS2 based engines.

In the end, its your car bud....... if the 306 is the route you want to go, give it a try.
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As far as the transmission goes, either a decently built C4 or Th350 will handle the task.
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So you put a SBF into a real Z28, huh... I would love to see some pics of said beast, please lets see the engine sitting in the frame rails.

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somethin must of happened at child birth... can i have the ls2 you took out lol obviously you already know my take on the subject

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hey guys like to see what you guys think about a tranny ive got an 1969 camaro z28 i took the ls2 and turbo 350 trans out and sold it.. im a ford guy but love the look of the camaro.that ls2 would barely spin the tires but i have the 306 engine allready bolted down what trany should i use a turbo 350 or a c-4 the motor is built by myself its a 306 11.5 to 1 compression with canfield heads an a .576 lift and 308 duration camshaft with a super victor intake and a 750 holley dp on the engine dyno i made 432 hp and 472 torque (should be plenty for that camaro) its got a 9inch ford with 4.30 gears so let me know what you guys think
You are the man!!! post some pics.

That said, I would go with a C4.
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Dont know if youve ever come acrossed this, but is by far a ver ynice build and its right up your alley.

http://www.hotrodhomepage.com/hrhp/2...owered-camaro/


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Dont know if youve ever come acrossed this, but is by far a ver ynice build and its right up your alley.

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deff something wrong with the LS2 that was in there like said before.. to even compete with a ls2 that 306 would have to be very well built to put down anywhere's close to the power of a LS motor ... my 331 had over 6k in work done to it put down 350rwhp thru a 5 speed ... my new combo .. stock shortblock 6.0 LQ4 heads and cam put down over 400rwhp thru an auto transmission for less then $3000.00 , if not too late get that LS2 back and find yourself a good tuner and you'll be more then happy with it .

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the reason i did this is because i live by the quote "if you wana go fast go ford" and i hate say this but if you really put 6k into a 331 and thats all you got that sucks cuz with my 306 ill be around 400rwhp and if i end up putting a tremec in it it will be more than that and the motor doesnt have to big crazy solid roller cam its just a nice small built but built righ motor
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and no i dont have the engine anymore its in a dirt track car and yes something was wrong at birth i was smart enough to realize chevy power = no power
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How much do you want to sell the junk ass LS2 motor for?
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how big is that texas speed ms4 cam anyways? it hit i nice liitle lick just didnt have any power
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this must be some kind of joke

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no its no joke, but its kinda dumb everyone on here thinks its stupid well thats your opnion i dont tell them there stupid for putting a ls1 in a mustang its your car you do with it as you please this is mine im guna do with it and make it my own
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no its no joke, but its kinda dumb everyone on here thinks its stupid well thats your opnion i dont tell them there stupid for putting a ls1 in a mustang its your car you do with it as you please this is mine im guna do with it and make it my own

your right it's your car and you can do as you want ...not everyone wants a fast car .

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thats right but i do thats why i go with ford
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Do you have any pictures of the car and what class do you run a 1st generation camaro with a Gen IV SBC and a TH350 in on the dirt?
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my camaro is a street car, not a dirt car i bought the car with the ls2 swap already in it, my buddy races an open class in dirt track racing its called "run what you brung" and he is using it in there untill he gets his good motor done
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i dont tell them there stupid for putting a ls1 in a mustang
Thats because its cool, not stupid


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thats right but i do thats why i go with ford
you do realize your cars gonna be slower with the 306 right?

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you do realize in my 1969 fastback i have this erxact combo and i run 11.56 and 121mph and my fastest et with the camaro which is lighter ran a best of 12.54 and 114mph right so you do realize your wrong right
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you do realize in my 1969 fastback i have this erxact combo and i run 11.56 and 121mph and my fastest et with the camaro which is lighter ran a best of 12.54 and 114mph right so you do realize your wrong right
11.56 Dats it ? ha ha ... that camaro would run 10.90's with the LS2 ..bet your hat'in yourself right now .

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Yeah something isn't right here bud. An ls2 with only an MS4 cam change will make around 500hp which is plenty of power to get you into the 10 et range if that's what you're looking to do. It is also lighter and has much better drivability than a 11:1cr 306 motor with a 30x duration cam. I can see being a ford homer and wanting to put a ford motor in a GM car, but the fact is a 306 won't be a more powerful motor than a LS2 with comparable parts and the drivability will suffer.

Now, when can you post some pictures of this car? There are very, very few camaros running around with ford drivetrains compared to ford cars with GM drivetrains, I wonder why? I'd like to see how a 302 looks under the hood of a camaro and what headers fit.
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like i said ur 10.90 coment was pretty stupid since in ran 12s
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Still no pics huh...........hell at this point I would settle for pics of your 432 HP 306 you say you have.

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heres a 302 in a 69 camaro


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LOL you know what is funny. All you freaking guys attacking the dude! All the ones who stuck a LS1 in a mustang that is ok and get mad if someone attacks you but the shoe is on the other foot and you call him stupid. I been a member of LS1tech for a minute and there alot of guys having hard time running 10s N/A over there. So 12s in a 3200 pound car sounds about right... Either help him or move on! Sorry to jack your thread. Turbo 350 super cheap to build but C-4s are everywhere. If you could get the bell housing from a 350 I would go that way since the rest bolts right in all the way to the rear.

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First of all, the car probably doesn't exist. Second, anyone who has a LS2 with an MS4 cam and LS7 cylinder heads that is making a good bit less power than 400whp has a problem with the motor. And third, going to a production block 30x sbf combo is a major step backwards in performance. Not to mention the op says that the GM combo made 367whp/412wtq and the sbf made 432/472 on the engine dyno. If you factor in the powertrain loss, it's all for nothing???

So I guess to answer the original question, I would recommend going with the C4 tranny. It's now obvious that this car is being built to go slower.
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Well JW33 i guess you have owned slow ford's. Ford has the best after market period. So now because he went with smaller cubes is backwards? I understand what your saying to a point and this might be a tall story just to make chevy guys upset. I would run the chevy motor with that Z28 but thats me. I can make either motor go fast!! 10 sec is 10sec no matter if it come from a honda or a chevy. Anyway lets see if he comes back.

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I'm with JW33, this car does not exists, he is just trolling.
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