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SBF into camaro or firebird?

anyone out there done this? I have a 347 and a 78 firebird which could use a boost in power. anyone out there done this swap?

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Why would you? Get a Mustang or an LS1. Much easier and less expensive


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Do it! I think it would be cool

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A friend of mine put a 5.0 in a v-6 94 camaro. The drivers side header was difficult. I don't have pics of it though

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I already have mustangs. the 347 is coming out of my 93 LX that i'm selling as a roller soon because I need rid of a car for more space. the 347 is 500 hp NA. i had one of those 2 am thoughts that it would look wicked kind of old school with FAST efi and a Procharger under the hood of an old F-body. I found 700R4 adapter kits for SBF as I'd like to use a trans that I could later swap back to a SBC if I wanted to. main things i'm wondering about are long tube hedder clearance, probably need custom crossmembers. and it would be different. I like LS stuff but it's everywhere. I'd prefer not to do LS if only for that reason.

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Sounds like a plan.. don't forget the big Powered By Ford decal for the back window.

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to be really different put a turbo rotary engine into it.

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to be really different put a turbo rotary engine into it.
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Why not sell the firebird?

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I think it would be funny since all these chevy guys like putting chevy motors in fords.

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I see this thread getting good.

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Pat Neil from Tucson has run a 460(ish) ford in a Camaro for a long time, has won a pinks all out, and campains regularly. At one time he had my old Aluminum Cobra Jet heads on the engine, at this time I don't know what power plant is in the car.

If he can get a 460 in an early(er) model, then I don't see such a headache getting a SBF into one.

But unless your really set on being "differnt" then I would suggest dumping the wedge to some chevy loyalist and looking for a ford platform for your fun.


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I do see a lot of chevy stuff going into Fords and have for years, especially street rods. I have two stangs I want to get rid of the car the 347 was in because the other car is my keeper 48k original mile 89 saleen. I have this Firebird which I've owned since I was 14 (1984)...now I've dated myself. it has a very mild 355 sbc in it now. it's really slow mostly because it has weak gearing and crappy cylinder heads. My original plan was either AFR heads on the 355 and a Procharger which would yield around 600 hp. 2nd choice was a 530 hp NA 427 sbc, and then i'm thinking hey I have this built 347 why not.

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and on the powered by ford sticker...temping but no. the only sticker on the car is on the liscense plate. I think more ford guys should drive F-bodies that are Ford powered.

I will continue research crossmembers and trans mount. once i have my LX apart here in a few weeks a measuring tape will tell me how well this is going to work. my eyeballs tell me the 347 is shorter than the 355 which means if I keep the trans in the stock position I can set the engine back which is better for handling.

Here's the car....can't believe i'm posting a (ugh) GM car on corral. now i'm gonna have to think about custom liscense plates as well.


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If you end up doing the swap, put some stickers on it that say, "GM makes it, Ford shakes it".

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people, such as myself, put LS's in Fords because it's the best motor out there in the best chassis out there. that's the reason it's nearly direct bolt in - driveshafts off the shelf, wiring off the shelf, clutch/etc off the shelf, headers off the shelf. direct bolt in parts, no BS.

that's why there isn't the same parts for the reverse. I've done my fair of different and custom ####. you have to be ready to accept the consequences, even if they are disappointing. sometimes it sounds real great in your head, and in the end it sucks.

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If your 347 already makes 500 hp n/a, then you would be money ahead to go on and install it. Getting a streetable 500 hp from an n/a 355 sbc is going to take a lot more than just fancy cylinder heads. Add in a non streetable cam, lots of compression, and a big carb and you'll have it. Forget running 93 octane gas also. A 347 SBF or LS1 motor would be a much better choice. The SBF, will obviously be a lot cheaper to build, but more work and money to install. So, you make the call there.

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people, such as myself, put LS's in Fords because it's the best motor out there in the best chassis out there.

Ever looked under a 4th generation GM f-body?


Long torque arm to help transfer the weight....

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Better aerodynamics......

Wheel base is slightly shorter than a 1979-2004 mustang.....

I've seen low 1.50 60ft times with a full weight 4th generation fbody with nothing more than the front sway bar removed and Nittos drag radials mounted on 17" wheels. Can't say the same for the fox body mustang.

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my 347 has stage 2 ported TFS heads by TEA flowing 308/240 @ 0.6 lift, 10.3:1 comp, ross pistons with thermal barrier coat, eagle h-beam rods, eagle forged crank, 4-bolt main converted stock block, XE282HR with .565/.574 lift, etc. it made 400 rwhp / rwtq with a rich break in tune and a bad MSD coil with short hedders and full exhaust. it's gotten stronger since then through break in. I've ran EFI and $1k of superchips tune and it's very streetable. it would be hard to get 500 hp out of a 355 sbc with the same driveability. i also would like to run some boost, probably about 6-8 psi through an intercooler and run methanol injection. I'd spend about $12k to get a sbc stroker to 500hp as a NA baseline and it would be around 420-430 cubic inches.

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4th gens suck to work on and lack decent header room. Not to mention the issues with 3" dual exhaust.

Pontiac's haven't had their own engine in an F-body since 1981 so there is no shock value there. You just expect a Pontiac to not have a Pontiac engine. I would rather see a Ford in than a chevy engine.

After seeing your reasons I say go for it. I am a big fan of second gen F-bodys. Don't expect it to be cheap or easy unless you make it a hack job. I don't recommend it being a hack job since you have owned to car so long.

I have never been a particular fan of the 700R4 but built right it should be okay. I think this project just begs to be a stick car.


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If you already have the motor and car around, do it. The main thing that will slow you down is the fact that you will be doing pretty much everything for the first time. Not a lot of camro's running around with SBF swaps.
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Keep a Chevy/Pontiac motor in the Trans Am. Putting that 347 in it just seems odd, not sure why. Maybe because I'm a fan of TAs, but it seems like if you wanted to put a Ford engine in a Chevy car, you'd do it in something more common like a run-of-the-mill Camaro. The TAs were more "high class" cars than the Camaros and it'd almost be an insult to do that to the car. That's just my opinion.

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I've helped friends do work 455s in TAs which is why i decided to avoid that path. i like more room in the engine compartment. I'm pretty set on an automatic. whichever way I go i'm looking at a 650 hp capable 700R4. 3.06 1st gear with 3.91 rear gears. maybe i can get a tire off the ground at a stop light if I can get it to hook.

I did find on pro-touring.com a 68 camaro with a twin turbo SBF 302. looks wicked. engine is set back 4 inches for better weight distribution. i'm hoping to get some details from the guy who built it on how he did mounts, oil pain, hedders, etc. although some of that will be different because of the turbos.

from terryr's post i like the idea of custom plate "WINDSOR" LOL

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and on the powered by ford sticker...temping but no. the only sticker on the car is on the liscense plate. I think more ford guys should drive F-bodies that are Ford powered.

I will continue research crossmembers and trans mount. once i have my LX apart here in a few weeks a measuring tape will tell me how well this is going to work. my eyeballs tell me the 347 is shorter than the 355 which means if I keep the trans in the stock position I can set the engine back which is better for handling.

Here's the car....can't believe i'm posting a (ugh) GM car on corral. now i'm gonna have to think about custom liscense plates as well.

If I were closer I would buy that car off you in a heartbeat!!!!! one that clean doesnt need a ford motor. If it were a beater drag car that was tubbed and caged I could care less but that thing looks clean!!

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stykthyn believe it or not this car has 198k miles on it. It is pretty clean. has the typical rust around the back of the rear window and some in the trunk extenders and that's it. interior is very clean. car is lowered 3 inches front and 1.5 inches rear. it's a great cruiser car. i just want to freshen it a bit and take it in a different direction than it's been. the tires on the car were installed when Reagan was president. LOL I've had 3 engines in the car (305, 305, 355), two transmissions, four different gear ratios. surprisingly this car still has the ORIGINAL front brake rotors and yes they need replaced. it also has the original starter. I seriously doubt GM designed any of that to last this long.

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Do the swap! Plenty of people put Chevy motors in Fords so why not put the 347SBF you already have into your F-Body?

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Im all for the swap. sounds fun!
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front of the oil pan is the biggest issue. the pump is there in a ford motor, and its makes it a issue going into a stock gm engine bay. now if its a dry sumped motor it will fit great.

yes you can mate it to a 700r4, but it better be built. 700r4 dont live long behind 305 chevy boat anchors, let alone a 500hp sbf. im thining rapto5 stage 5 trans would go it..custom headers of course, and yes it fits nice..just the oilpan/pump is the biggest ordeal to get past.

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research I've done so far looks like the best way on the hedders is taking the car to Kooks about 3.5 hrs away and have custom set made. for trans I would use a 700R4 built for 600 hp supercharged. I want that trans so I could swap back to SBC later if a new Ford wanders into the family (hint). So far it looks like the trans adapter kit and custom hedders cost about the same as a set of AFR heads and roller rockers for the current SBC which would yield me about 450 hp. so the question is whether the last 50 hp is worth the trouble...


I also have a friend here who's had bad stroker luck lately and he may buy the long block from me.

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Im planning on doing a nasty EFI SBF conversion into a 4th gen SS Camaro here shortly.
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lol @ 700r4...if you wanted a gm od trans, (not sure why you would) the 200r4 would be a better choice. if strip, and you dont care about od, use a glide. If you want an overdrive, use an aod or aode/4r70w. i currently run a 4r70w with about 800hp with more power to be thrown as the tuneup gets closer.

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yeah I've IM'd with the guy who built the twin turbo SBF camaro. he built a 2nd cross member and welded it in behind the main suspension crossmember. his car has a complete custom subframe with coil overs, etc in the front so it worked well.

A built 700R4 is the only GM overdrive trans i've had experience with. a lot of folks like the 200R4s. I want 3.06 1st gear and overdrive. I have a friend who has a procharged 540 BBC in an early 70s camaro with a level 4 700R4 from Bowtieoverdrives and it has been through about 20 passes and 15k miles with no issues. he's only at about 600 rwhp (more than it's rated for of course). I'll look into it more. there are other trans options. I do want a GM trans so that I have the option to swap back to SBC later if I want to.

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