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Notch goes 10.0 on stock 98' 88k LS1 today on easy pass

Not looking to stir the pot or have any of the chevy haters in this thread..just showing how fast a stock LS1 motor can run in a Foxbody..

Perfect combo of a light motor in a light car.

Changes:
-Got the car on the dyno /w the wideband, found a bunch more power in the tune yesterday after spending alot of time getting it fully perfect (51 rwhp in the tune, old tune was WAY lean and needed a ton of fuel), put a 85mm MAF and good air intake on it versus the crappy stock one with a little filter smashed against the hood I had on it a couple weeks ago running high 10's...

Car still has stock 98 LS1 shortblock, Stock casting 5.3l heads etcetc.

Todays results:

Track was really greasy, bad prep and everytime I tried the transbrake or left hard I had some traction issues.

Ran 10.0 @ 134.5




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Excellent results!
Hope the Alabama Cleveland boys don't see this, 'cause as we have been told it can't be true!

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thats awesome LS motors are the way to go in a fox .. my LS project starts this winter cant wait


BTW: what intake did you end up using ?

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Awesome! I've been a diehard Ford/Mustang guy all my life, but when the majority of your friends own LS1's it's really hard not to appreciate just how amazing these LSx engines are. As the years went by and these motors kept evolving prices just kept falling and falling. You'd have to be ignorant and delusional to deny the capabilities of the LSx platform.

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Nice runs man! LS1 block is nice but try that in that fat foundation F-body lol. How long did you say you had this in the car? Also you said viceo where is my videos muahaha im stirring. Once again congrats!


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stock 98 LS1 shortblock, Stock casting 5.3l heads etcetc.

Todays results:


Ran 10.0 @ 134.5
Stock as in "factory built"?

Stock pistons, rings, stock cam, lifters? Heads untouched, stock springs, valve job?

The ET/MPH/weight calculate out to ~500 flywheel HP!?

Just trying to clarify, stock to one may not be stock to another, just look at NMRA "factory stock".

Is the 2720 race weight with or without driver?

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Oh forgot to ask a few questions for when you get up.
1. Stock cam?
2.Untouched 5.3 heads?
3. Also give a break down of your run 330.1/8th etc.
My buddies 98 Trans Am with Patriot heads,huge came, bunch of other race goodies runs [email protected] 119. And he is stroked to 383.

What im getting at is you say stock but there was some work done it takes around 500 hp and some change to get your mph in a 2700 pound car, so spill the beans what else is done? A stock LS1 dont make 500 hp with just a tune,also 5.3 heads add some compression but not enough to make big hp, I really am cerious not attacking, i have help on a Few LS1 builds and killed even more at the track. Thanks Doug

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What converter are you running?

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you guys need to stay away from those calculators......

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you guys need to stay away from those calculators......
Why, even if it's off 10%, those are amazing numbers for a "stock" shortblock!

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Stock as in "factory built"?

Stock pistons, rings, stock cam, lifters? Heads untouched, stock springs, valve job?

The ET/MPH/weight calculate out to ~500 flywheel HP!?

Just trying to clarify, stock to one may not be stock to another, just look at NMRA "factory stock".

Is the 2720 race weight with or without driver?

Stock pistons/rings/rods/rod bolts/lifters/rockers/untouched port heads.

They are not the original 98 ls1 heads, due to the 98's have perimeter bolts and are they seemed to need valve guides/seals due to the high mileage. I pulled the heads off to look at the cylinders and put a fresher set of heads on. So I swapped them out with a stock set of 5.3l heads (worth about $50) off a low mileage truck. It is a Victor Jr carb intake /w sheetmetal elbow /w 90mm throttle body, th350 /w 4200 stall converter. So far best 60 ft is 1.53 on the footbrake.

I did upgrade to double valvesprings /w titanium retainers because I put in a moderate (not large) 233/239 camshaft I had laying around. I plan to swap to a bigger cam for another 15-20 rwhp shortly.

I would guess about 500 flywheel horsepower as well.

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Interesting ... but that mph and wieght suggests at least a 125 (100 rwhp) shot. Not trying to take anything away from it as its still damn fast, good job .... Meeester

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Stock pistons/rings/rods/rod bolts/lifters/rockers/untouched port heads.

They are not the original 98 ls1 heads, due to the 98's have perimeter bolts and are they seemed to need valve guides/seals due to the high mileage. I pulled the heads off to look at the cylinders and put a fresher set of heads on. So I swapped them out with a stock set of 5.3l heads (worth about $50) off a low mileage truck. It is a Victor Jr carb intake /w sheetmetal elbow /w 90mm throttle body, th350 /w 4200 stall converter. So far best 60 ft is 1.53 on the footbrake.

I did upgrade to double valvesprings /w titanium retainers because I put in a moderate (not large) 233/239 camshaft I had laying around. I plan to swap to a bigger cam for another 15-20 rwhp shortly.

I would guess about 500 flywheel horsepower as well.
You are lying!! How were you able to install those Cleveland heads to that shortblock? Oops sorry I didn't see that they were stock 5.3l truck heads


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It is a Victor Jr carb intake /w sheetmetal elbow /w 90mm throttle body,
double valvesprings /w titanium retainers because I put in a moderate (not large) 233/239 camshaft I had laying around.
"Stock LS1"

Still great times.No need to overstate it with the "stock LS1" comments.

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Why, even if it's off 10%, those are amazing numbers for a "stock" shortblock!
your calculators do not compensate or take into account elevation, track conditions, air, temperature etc etc.

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Nice looking Coupe you got there! With a real 60 ft......look out!

Now do it with fuel injection and either an OD automatic or a manual so that I can get some decent mpg on my occasional street drives, please.


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So I swapped them out with a stock set of 5.3l heads (worth about $50) off a low mileage truck. I did upgrade to double valvesprings /w titanium retainers....
Yeah, that's only a ball park $500 upgrade.


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I would guess about 500 flywheel horsepower as well.
Guess??? You said you ran/tuned it on the dyno.

Again, is 2720 race weight including the driver?

4200 stall, is that 7",8",10".....???? Built by?????

Seems like some things are being left in the "grey area". What's the big secret? If your here to be helpful, then do so.

Not trying to be a "tool", I just think if your gonna come on here and say "look how great this is", then "spill it"!!!! Don't be vague, it discredits the whole thing and depicts you as being a liar or a d!$K or both.

It takes more than a good power plant to lay down the numbers (ET/MPH) being put out here. If it's stock...it's stock, if it's not...it's not.

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Guess??? You said you ran/tuned it on the dyno.

Again, is 2720 race weight including the driver?

4200 stall, is that 7",8",10".....???? Built by?????

Seems like some things are being left in the "grey area". What's the big secret? If your here to be helpful, then do so.

Not trying to be a "tool", I just think if your gonna come on here and say "look how great this is", then "spill it"!!!! Don't be vague, it discredits the whole thing and depicts you as being a liar or a d!$K or both.

It takes more than a good power plant to lay down the numbers (ET/MPH) being put out here. If it's stock...it's stock, if it's not...it's not.
you guys are really digging, he guessed at flywheel horsepower. If you find a chassis dyno that gives you flywheel horsepower then post up a link.

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Nice looking Coupe you got there! With a real 60 ft......look out!

Now do it with fuel injection and either an OD automatic or a manual so that I can get some decent mpg on my occasional street drives, please.

Bob, I think it is fuel injected, he said it had an edelbrock intake manifold, sheet metal elbow and a 90mm throttle body.

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Now do it with fuel injection and either an OD automatic or a manual so that I can get some decent mpg on my occasional street drives, please.


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It is a Victor Jr carb intake /w sheetmetal elbow /w 90mm throttle body,

his car is F.I has a victor jr with sheet metal enbow and 90mm TB

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you guys are really digging, he guessed at flywheel horsepower. If you find a chassis dyno that gives you flywheel horsepower then post up a link.
I'm asking legitimate questions in regards to the results he's getting, if that's digging, so be it. He stated he ran it on a dyno, found something like 51 hp in the tune, so he obviously knows what the final run numbers came out to. why not post them? It may not tell what's at the flywheel, but it should be close enough to interpret.

Thread title has already been shown to be "stretching the truth"...."Notch goes 10.0 on stock 98' 88k LS1 today".......not quite.

I really don't care what motor anyone is running, ford, chrysler, chevy, studebaker,.....whatever. But if you do make a claim, be willing to provide the details, or just keep your mouth shut all together.

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Oops. I saw Vic Jr Carb intake and just didn't pay enough attention to the rest. My bust. Tks for catching that.
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Not looking to stir the pot or have any of the chevy haters in this thread..just showing how fast a stock LS1 motor can run in a Foxbody..

Perfect combo of a light motor in a light car.

Changes:
-Got the car on the dyno /w the wideband, found a bunch more power in the tune yesterday after spending alot of time getting it fully perfect (51 rwhp in the tune, old tune was WAY lean and needed a ton of fuel), put a 85mm MAF and good air intake on it versus the crappy stock one with a little filter smashed against the hood I had on it a couple weeks ago running high 10's...

Car still has stock 98 LS1 shortblock, Stock casting 5.3l heads etcetc.

Todays results:

Track was really greasy, bad prep and everytime I tried the transbrake or left hard I had some traction issues.

Ran 10.0 @ 134.5



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Neato!

I think this new section has it's place here. If people do not like the subject material, they are free to not come in here. And people who wish to discuss this kind of setup should also be able to do so without getting harassed by people.

So there you go.

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I think this new section has it's place here. If people do not like the subject material, they are free to not come in here. And people who wish to discuss this kind of setup should also be able to do so without getting harassed by people.

So there you go.

Carry on people, sorry for the distraction...
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Thanks Greg! You know more muts are coming with bull crap claims like these. I dont mind a fast LS1 in a mustang. My problem is saying you made a 500 plus hp with a stock LS1 using nothing but minor bolt on's. I will be the tool and say YOU SPRAYED! LS1's can make this number with ease but it aint with bull crap bolt ons like some used un-touched 5.3 liter heads. I read over LS1 tech and if this was a recipie for a 9 sec ride there all of us would of done it. Come clean Adrian(N20)! Oh btw nice numbers no matter how you got there. If im wrong i am wrong and will opologise but I DOUGHT IT.

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I think this new section has it's place here. If people do not like the subject material, they are free to not come in here. And people who wish to discuss this kind of setup should also be able to do so without getting harassed by people.

So there you go.

Carry on people, sorry for the distraction...
You're a good man Greg. Thank you for having an open mind. I think many people can benefit or learn much from this new section. James
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