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post #1 of 37 Old 05-05-2002, 10:49 AM Thread Starter
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Anyone keep stock shifter after trying Tri-Ax?

I popped in the Steeda Tri-Ax shifter this weekend and set it up just like the instructions mandated. My brother and I fooled around with the stop bolts and all because we didn't want to give up on this piece of hardware.

Unfortunately, I reverted back to my stock shifter for the simple reason that I couldn't find 3rd or 5th gear with this shifter in place... 1st and 2nd were notchy and quite stiff as well...

I was highly upset with this shifter and didn't want to spend the whole day playing with it and screwing something up on my tranny.

I even called Steeda to assure myself that I had purchased the right shifter for my transmission -- I have the Tremec tranny, but didn't find the bushing on the stock shifter when I initially removed it.

I'm just glad I tried it... just as my luck would have it, nothing ever works as advertised when it comes to my cars

So anyone share a similar experience with the Tri-Ax? Anyone simply prefer the stock shifter over this piece?

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hmm thats messed up , i love my tri-ax


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You are not the first person that has exp that. You might want to do a search on this site and stangnet regarding the Tri-Ax.

I don't know what your problem is, I know what tranny I had and I got the shifter for it and installed it in 30 min. No problems at all, and I would definitely NOT recommned the stock shifter over the Tri-Ax.

When you removed your factory shifter, you say there wasn't a little plastic cup on the end of the shifter? was it in the little cup on the tranny?

Sounds like you might have the T-45 Tranny, but I am not 100% on it, so I suggest you check that out if you haven't already.

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Are you sure you didn't have the stop bolts too far out? cause if that's the case they wouldn't let you push the shifter all the way up to get it into gear...I'd be sending it back to Steeda for a replacement if it's not working because that shifter is way better than the stock one...My shifter was stiff at first, but after about a week of using it, it was perfect...

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Something wrong there. With the Tri-Ax properly installed you don't even have to look for third. Not even a little, you should be able to just "shove" it over there somewhere and have it go in.

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Like Ed said.

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yeah like Ed said. I have taught many people how to drive sticks on my car and how to power shift and they all come back to me wondering why it is always so easy in my car compared to thiers.

I tell them to get the shifter and they are set. I would never go back Feels like I am going to break soemthing when I used that. And the fact my had was going through the windshied it is so far away for 5th
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I put my Steeda shifter in the other day and I love it.
When you set the shift stops, put it in 3rd gear, back the bolt out until it touches the shifter, and then tighten it up a half turn. Put it in second gear, back the bolt out till it touches the shifter again, then tighten it up a half turn. This way when you shift gears, the handle will slightly touch the bolt and when you let go of the shifter, it will back off approx. .020"
I hope this helps.
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Dave, what tranny do you have? Secretly, you may have the wrong Tri-Ax for your tranny. Steeda makes a Tri-Ax shifter specifically for the Tremec 3650 and a specific shifter for the T-45.
I believe some late model 01 GTs may have the Tremec 3650. Just a thought.


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Love my Tri-ax. No problems finding third at all. Sounds like you may have a T-45. On the TR3650 the bushing is firmly attached to the stock shifter, I had to pry pretty hard to get it off. On my buddy's T-45 it just sat there and stayed in the tranny when we pulled the stock shifter. What's your build date? TR code from the door?

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TrueBlue has a good point. Your car may not have a Tremec 3650. Early '01 GT's got the T45, not the 3650. That would certainly explain your problems.

I installed a Tri-Ax on my 3650, and it's been great. Can't even imagine going back to the stock "which gear am I about to grab?" POS.

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The 3650 and the T45 have different bolt patterns to bolt it down, you'd know if you had the wrong shifter...I think the 3650 has 6 bolts if I'm not mistaken and the T45 only has 4...

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I didn't have 6 bolts on my 3650!

4 bolts for all.. I've heard of this problem before, and it was cause someone put a 3650 Shifter on a T-45.

Again, I could be wrong, but I know the bolts are the same.

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Hmmm...one of them has 6 bolts...maybe it's the T56...

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I've installed both T45 and TR3650, 4 bolts on both. In addition to the different bushing, the insides look different too. There is a spring visible on the 3650, I don't remember it being there on the T45.
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here go:
The "Tri-ax for Tremec" has six bolts:
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/triaxtshifter.htm
which is not the same as the "Tri-ax for TR3650" (4 bolt)
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/trisht3650.htm
or the "Tri-ax for T56" (4 bolt)
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/t56shifter.htm
nor the "Tri-ax for T45" (4 bolt)
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/triaxshifter.htm
which apparently fits both T45s and T5s

makes my head hurt...
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Quote:
Originally posted by TrueBlue01Vert
here go:
The "Tri-ax for Tremec" has six bolts:
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/triaxtshifter.htm
which is not the same as the "Tri-ax for TR3650" (4 bolt)
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/trisht3650.htm
or the "Tri-ax for T56" (4 bolt)
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/t56shifter.htm
nor the "Tri-ax for T45" (4 bolt)
http://www.steeda.com/store/-catalog/triaxshifter.htm
which apparently fits both T45s and T5s

makes my head hurt...
I knew one of them had a different bolt pattern...3650, 3550...eh, I was only off by 10

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hey this is dave's brother reponding. i helped do the install and from what i can tell we seem to have a sort of Hybrid Tranny. i know it sounds funny but this is the thing:

the car has a build date of Feb, 2001. The tranny code is TK. i crawed underneath the car and looked at the tranny and it has "Tremec" stamped on it. it's not like some guy just wrote it on there, it's stamped onto the metal. so that means we have a tremec right? my bro orders the tri-Ax for the tremec 3650 and lo and behold all the bolts match up and the thing fits fine. But one thing that alarmed us was that the little bushing that the tremec is SUPPOSED to have at the end of the stock shifter was missing from our stock shifter. hmmm sounds funny right? now when we removed the stock shifter the inside is that of the Borg-Warner T-45, what the hell is this? did ford use the Tremec housing and keep the Borg-Warner internals?

just for referance from my knowledge this is what the Tremec looks like:

[IMG]http://www.fnsweet.com/garage/shifter/DSC02501.jpg
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and this is what OUR tranny looks like, the T-45:



BUT we bought the shifter for the 3650 and the bolts lined up just fine and the outside of our tranny DOES say Tremec. if you guys want proof i'll sneek a picture of the bottom of the tranny housing.

any ideas about this weird hybrid tranny?
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Didn't Tremec buy out Borg-Warner somewhere along the way? I forget the year though...98 maybe?

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The Tranny code you just told us states it's a T-3650 Tranny. The picture looks like a T-45.

Tremec makes both trannies.. The T45 is a tremec, so is the 3650.

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awesome dude, i was just SO confused, because everyone told us that the bolt patterns wouldn't match up and yet they did so i just assumed that it was a tremec. so no matter which one you have the 4-bolt pattern for both trannies is the same?

dude thanks i guess we'll have to try that tri-Ax one more time.
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WOWOWOWOW..

Wait..

The K is the T-3650 Tranny Sorry..

a 6 is a T-45

Damn, Now I am confused.

The pic looks like a T-45


Something is wrong, Cause I got that info from a guy at Steeda.

But, by the looks of your picture and your information, looks like the K means a T-3650.. Can anyone confirm this for Dave and his brother!

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yeah, i mean now that i know that tremec makes both the t-45 and the 3650 it makes sense why the tremec stamp would be on the tranny. but what i don't understand is the difference in how the inside of the tranny looks. the inside of our tranny is definately that of a t-45 but just what the hell do we have? did tremec just use one of their own housings and used the t-45 internals?
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I just went outside and looked at my cobra and I am right, the Tranny Code K stands for a T-3650.

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Here is a question.

Is it possible that the car had another tranny installed?

I could be wrong again, but I have heard that some were replaced with t-45's because of the shift fork problem and the backorder they were on for a while.

Again, this is just speculation and hearsay.

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1. The Tri-ax for 3650 didn't work right.
2. The inside looks like a T45
3. The door code sez K which means 3650
4. Your build date is right at the switchover (Feb '01)

Looks to me like the most likely explanation is that you have a T45 and they (either through switchout or screw-up) got the door code wrong.

I'd try a Tri-ax for T45, see if it works (assuming your vendor'll cooperate without extra $$)

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hmmm very interesting shawn.

either way the question i'd like to know is that the bolts on the steeda 3650 shifter lined up with our tranny but we have the wrong tranny. if we get the tri-ax for the t-45 will the bolts still line up? heh i guess a call to steeda should help tomorow.
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Ya, a 3650 shifter will fit on a t-45, but I heard the fit isn't perfect.

I would say you have a T-45 based on the evidence. Hopefully they can switch it for you! If not, you can easily sell it.
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I don't have a tri-ax, I have a pro 5.0, but have shifted on more than a few tri-axes and they're about the same. I don't see how you could -not- find third gear with a tri-ax (or pro 5.0), it practically shifts itself into that gear. especially compared to the vague POS stock shifter.

the one thing i don't care for with aftermarket shifters is the increased effort. but that's better than missing shifts or bending shift forks by pushing on the stock shifter too far when going into 2nd or 3rd gears..
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I purchased the shifter at www.partshopper.com and it looks like they're willing to swap me for a T45 version of the Tri-Ax based on what I read on their website.

No one's picking up, so I'll wait until the rest of the world wakes up

I sure hope the effort of getting a T45 version and re-installing the unit once again is worth the feel of this new shifter...

My bro actually did the research while I was frustrated driving around with the stock shifter once again, so I'll thank him on the forums!

Thanks bro!

Now to thank the Corral community... THANK YOU ALL!!! Wish me luck in my quest to get the proper shifter for my Steed.
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Just for information.. here is a pic of the 3650

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Well folks, Part Shopper is definitely an easy shop to deal with. Just got off the phone with a fellow Mustang owner and sales agent. They will send out a Tri-Ax for the T45 in exchange for my original order. They didn't seem to have a problem with this one bit...

In the process, I think we might have a new guy to the Corral - the part shopper sales agent, lol!

He read the posts here on this thread and it helped them all get a better feel for my dilemma with the Tri-Ax. So Kevin from Part Shopper is reading the forums now... that's how I got started, reading posts and being amused by the good information and humor on this site.

If I get it on Friday, I'll try the install on Saturday!!! Now I'm all excited again to try this bad boy out!!! No more deep-mode concentration to get it into third, lol.
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Good to hear David..

I will definitely check out partshopper in the future then.. I make all my decisions on Customer Service.

Kevin, welcome as well!

P.S.

Drop a line on this thread when you get everything square!
There is a guy on BlueOvalNews that is having a similar dilema with his 01 Cobra.

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yo this is dave's bro, well we got the shifter yesterday and installed this morning. it took less than an hour and it worked like a charm. we drove it around town and on the free way doing mundane stuff but from he told me he's likes and he's definately keeping it.

so that was the problem, we had a screwed up tranny code, but as for that guy on Blue Oval news just tell him to get the T-45 unit and it will work.

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A few notes on the Steeda Tri-Ax... if reverse was difficult to get into with your T45, now you definitely have to double-clutch your tranny to get it into reverse - note that this has been the case for me since I purchased the car brand-spanking new. In addition, this warning was packaged with my car's manuals: to engage reverse you'll have to double-clutch the bastard to get it in that gear.

Also, folks have been talking about the difficulty in getting the car into 2nd gear. Granted, the shifter is "notchy" by many people's standards, but it's MUCH better than the stock shifter and there's no guess work on the gear you're grabbing.

At 5'7" and 145lbs. I didn't have a problem engaging 2nd gear although there is a little more effort involved when getting into 2nd.

Getting into 3rd gear is a dream and the downshift from 5th to 3rd for um, emergency situations, is wonderful.

The shifter doesn't feel like it's going to break when running through the gears in a hurry.

I am vertically challenged (ie. short), so I couldn't take advantage of the shorter throws without some discomfort, so I screwed the lever to the top 2 holes, which is basically the stock height.

I'm not expecting ET improvements or more horsepower out of a shifter, heh heh. I just wanted a shifter that inspired confidence when shifting quickly, without fear of missing 3rd or bending a shift fork and it makes for more consistent times once you get used to the Tri-Ax.

I hope this review helps those that do not have the Tri-Ax and have had questions or concerns over this piece of hardware.

For $165 and the minimal effort to get it installed, I'd say this modification is a bargain. Much better deal than a set of flowmasters and I'm sure I can see better times with this new shifter now that I'm no longer afraid to shift harder and faster.

If anyone has any questions, shoot me a PM or respond to this thread, or email me.

Thank you all!
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