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Mach I times from Commerce

Just got back from Fun Ford at Commerce Ga. They had 3 new Mustang Mach I's up there running. The best run I saw was a 13.07 at 104.. Not to shabby.. They were on Nittos but besides that they were stock.. I wish they would have brought the 03 Cobra but oh well..


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i saw them run also, and they were fast.......but it makes me mad that i have to keep spending more money on my own car to keep up with all these new mustangs coming out.....


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Low 13's? Great, same HP as the 2001, but faster? Makes no sense at all, unless they were using DR's and solid rear end.
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Low 13's? Great, same HP as the 2001, but faster? Makes no sense at all, unless they were using DR's and solid rear end.
the mach 1's do have a solid rear end, and yes, the fastest run(13.07) was on 9" cobra r wheels with 315 nitto dr's....

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Oh phew, that's why.
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It was just reported by Mike Raburn over @ stangNet.com, Team Mustang slapped some Nitto's on the Mach 1, and put down a whopping 12.97 @ 105mph.

Not too shabby from a stock production car.

/me thinks the mach one is more than 320 hp.

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Yes, They were fast but not totaly stock.

I was talking to the "tech" from Ford and he mention that they are runnig with stand alone laptops and "special" programs/combos.

Still, very fast. The 1st pass they made was a 13.3x @ 103 MPH w/the Nittos. Then they just droped 3ths +........ummmmmm I dont know, sounds too good.

I'm not trying to put the MACH1 down or anything but we need to await for the final product.

How are they could be faster than the 2001 Cobra, 99 Cobras? The Cobra is the flagship from SVT.....is it?

Anyway they are nice cars (I hate their rims!!!) But they are nice cars!!!

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Sounds to me like they are right on par with the 01 Cobras in similiar conditions, but you have to remember...the 03 Mach 1s have 3.55 stock, cold air induction and the runs were on DRs. Doesn't this seem to indicate an 01 Cobra with DRs still would have a slight advantage at the track if it wasn't for the IRS wheelhop?
Either way, the 03 Cobra is still king of the stable, unless they start having problems with their IRS.
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one other point which may have made a difference...
the mach 1 is detuned for hp but has more torque, correct? you want a whole bunch of torque at the strip, assuming that you can get traction. i don't think that traction was an issue on those DRs. in addition, i think 103 is a bit slow for 13.3. that is where the hp comes into play.
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It' funny how everyone always say "how can they make this faster than the cobra blablablabla flagship blablablablabla". Well, I seem to remember the stock 96 cobra being as fast or faster than the 95 COBRA R.

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It' funny how everyone always say "how can they make this faster than the cobra blablablabla flagship blablablablabla". Well, I seem to remember the stock 96 cobra being as fast or faster than the 95 COBRA R.
Uh...... where?

The 95 R was a solid 12 sec car.
I'm really glad Ford is going to produce this car. Imagine the look on the 03 cobra owners face when you pull him with your n/a 4v
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I'm really glad Ford is going to produce this car. Imagine the look on the 03 cobra owners face when you pull him with your n/a 4v


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The first pass the car made this weekend was a 13.63, then a 13.41, then a 13.36 (at 103 mph) all on the stock 17" Goodyear tires. The first pass on the Nitto's was the 13.07 at 104 and then the 12.97 at 105. As far as the laptops and "special programs", from what I understood they were just data-logging all the runs. The best pass I personally saw out of the automatic Mach 1 was a 14.00 and it was still on the Goodyears. I was quite impressed by the blue car (5 speed). All I can say is the muscle car of the 60's is back and those LS1 boys better take note.
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Were these 5 spd or auto. Mach 1's??

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If ALL they did was slap some DR's on the Mach 1, and got into the 12's, then I'm DAMN impressed. Supposedly, this is a de-tuned Cobra 4V with 300 HP, right??

If this is true, then why can't you slap nothing but a set of DR's on a Cobra and run 12's???

Sounds like either they changed their mind on how much HP they wanted the car to have, or they had John Force as one of their drivers.

I heard you guys say anything from 14.00 - 12.97. I've NEVER seen anyone pick up a FULL second in a N/A ~300 horsepower motor using DR's. I could be mistaken, but it seems to me as they may be testing different engines???
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You guys have to keep in mind that Commerce is a very slow track for around here(GA). Cars typically run 2-3 tenths slower there than they do at Silver Dollar(Reynolds) which is where the NMRA race was 2 weeks ago. People around here HATE going to Commerce for that reason. Most of the ATL guys would rather drive the 2+ hour drive down to Reynolds than 30 or so minutes over to Commerce. This is very good news for the Mach 1.
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If ALL they did was slap some DR's on the Mach 1, and got into the 12's, then I'm DAMN impressed. Supposedly, this is a de-tuned Cobra 4V with 300 HP, right??

If this is true, then why can't you slap nothing but a set of DR's on a Cobra and run 12's???

Excellent question, and I believe the heart of the issue. Something's there that's not being explained.
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First, let me state that I am only commenting on the comments here. I can't and won't vouch for anything or any numbers. Shew...disclaimer done....LOL.

If you read the posts, you'll see where it was stated that both Auto's and 5 Speeds were tested.

The Auto went 14.00 (kind of sad).

The stick(s) started out at 13.67 on stock street tires. The car eventually improved to 13.36 on those street tires. It is reasonble to expect that with a new, unfamilier car, times would improve as you got used to the car.

Bolt-on DR's, and go 13.07 and then 12.97. Once again, with practice and traction, ET improves. From a drag racing standpoint, that makes perfect sense to me.

So yes, there was about a second difference, but in that mix put in A4 and M5 cars, different tires, and an unfamilier car to race. It becomes much easier to see why there would be such a spread....at least in my mind.

Final comment...I hope this is a glimpse of things to come. If these cars are real indicators of what the car is going to be like (especially the M5), then I'm 100% impressed. However, I think I'll wait till the production models hit the streets before I get too excited.

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Well, with just a handful of runs, I'd say the driver didn't take long to get used to the car. Of course, no one's ever said I was a great driver. (And to think, I thought I knew my car) 'Course I don't drive it like I stole it, but close to it.
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Any pics of the Mach 1s at the track?
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Impressive!

Were these really stock?

I heard PHP and Team Mustang were spending hours fine tuning of couple of 'Stangs to make a big splash somewhere. This must have been the place.

Is hope for the N/A guys?
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First, let me state that I am only commenting on the comments here. I can't and won't vouch for anything or any numbers. Shew...disclaimer done....LOL.

If you read the posts, you'll see where it was stated that both Auto's and 5 Speeds were tested.

The Auto went 14.00 (kind of sad).

The stick(s) started out at 13.67 on stock street tires. The car eventually improved to 13.36 on those street tires. It is reasonble to expect that with a new, unfamilier car, times would improve as you got used to the car.

Bolt-on DR's, and go 13.07 and then 12.97. Once again, with practice and traction, ET improves. From a drag racing standpoint, that makes perfect sense to me.

So yes, there was about a second difference, but in that mix put in A4 and M5 cars, different tires, and an unfamilier car to race. It becomes much easier to see why there would be such a spread....at least in my mind.

Final comment...I hope this is a glimpse of things to come. If these cars are real indicators of what the car is going to be like (especially the M5), then I'm 100% impressed. However, I think I'll wait till the production models hit the streets before I get too excited.
I was talking to the guy that was driving the auto and he said the main reason for the big time difference was that the auto's full cut off was set at 6250 were the stick car was set at 7250. I don't know if he was right but he should be, seeing as he was the one driving the car. Also the auto only had 245/45/17's Nitro DR 's on it were the stick car had 315's. I am not saying the auto doesn't suck I am just saying they were comparing apples to oranges. It be interesting to see if you'll be able to bump up the full cut off on the auto's without to much ill effect.
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Well first think to do to an Auto Mach 1 is get a Torque convertor that won't ballon at 7000+ RPMs and raise the rev limter!!!

Too bad they aren't going to make a vert Mach 1, I would get one but I would ditch the rims.

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The "TECH" would not coment on which program was on what car. They just said "special programs and combinations".

Did any one notice about what block were they using? I did not notice!!

All the motors had the old "experimental" decal on them (cool looking). The Nittos were installed early. When I arrived there about 9:45am they were already installed on the cars that I saw.

The cars are very sharp looking but I really hated the RIMS!!

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If you read the posts, you'll see where it was stated that both Auto's and 5 Speeds were tested.

The stick(s) started out at 13.67 on stock street tires. The car eventually improved to 13.36 on those street tires. It is reasonble to expect that with a new, unfamilier car, times would improve as you got used to the car.

Bolt-on DR's, and go 13.07 and then 12.97. Once again, with practice and traction, ET improves. From a drag racing standpoint, that makes perfect sense to me.
Yes, Bob, I do agree with you as well, as it does make perfect sense from a drag racing standpoint. I just guess that my main "problem" with all of this, was that the Mach 1 got into the 12's with ONLY DR's, whereas I don't believe I've EVER seen a stock Cobra dip into the 12's on Nitto's. Although, I'm sure you could put a stock Cobra with only Nittos's in the 12's, Bob!

In closing..... what I don't understand...... Mach 1 ~300 HP goes 12's on DR's. ......... Cobra ~320 HP will only yield mid to low 13's on DR's, assuming everything else is stock on these cars. What doesn't make sense here??? Really sounds like the Mach 1 is re-tuned, rather than de-tuned.
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In closing..... what I don't understand...... Mach 1 ~300 HP goes 12's on DR's. ......... Cobra ~320 HP will only yield mid to low 13's on DR's, assuming everything else is stock on these cars. What doesn't make sense here??? Really sounds like the Mach 1 is re-tuned, rather than de-tuned.
I believe the Mach 1 is rated at 320hp. Regardless, you must consider that a Cobra gets the IRS which is ~85 lbs heavier AND the driveline losses are going to be a tiny bit more.

I think Bob C. wants one.

If the auto ran a 14.00 with a 6250 cut-off, I'd like to see what it runs at full tilt with the right converter and some gear. 12.7's???

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Bob, you're selling your Fox for how much? The amount of a down payment on the Mach1?! You know something you're not telling us . . .

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Guess we'll just have to wait for them to hit the showroon floors, huh?? '03 Cobras as well.....
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Here, I was there as well.

Pics arent the best b/c there were SOOOOOOO many dang people around these cars it wasn't even funny.
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All I can say is WOW. Finally, Ford is getting serious! This is looking better than the '60's musclecar era! My Uncle wont let me forget his 440 Charger ran 12.8 stock w/headers. I can't wait to stuff my timeslip in his face w/ my 2003 Cobra. Fun fun FUN!
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Did they ever run the red one on Sunday? Saturday they only ran the blue & black ones. Both looked pretty thrashed, with the black one looking like it had been to hell & back. The black one had a ton of test equipment in the front seat & the trunk as well.

One question, did Classic Design Concepts work with Ford on the shaker/twin intake setup or was it coincidence that their booth was next to the Mach's?
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You guys have to keep in mind that Commerce is a very slow track for around here(GA). Cars typically run 2-3 tenths slower there than they do at Silver Dollar(Reynolds) which is where the NMRA race was 2 weeks ago. People around here HATE going to Commerce for that reason. Most of the ATL guys would rather drive the 2+ hour drive down to Reynolds than 30 or so minutes over to Commerce. This is very good news for the Mach 1.
I would have to say Commerce was hooking pretty well based on the trap speeds/et. Me puts my car on trailer and heads to GA to get my 12's This is awesome news!

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The engine bay is awfully crowded. They couldn't get K&N to make a special panel filter to fit inside/under the scoop and reduce some of that tubing?

Still, a very sweet car. The rims don't look that bad, similar to the Bullitt's. I wish the chin spoiler was more pronounced, a la the original Mach 1.

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I cant believe some of you ninny`s want the Mach 1 to be a convertible! When was a Mach 1 EVER a convertible! That totally negates the whole idea of a mach 1.


Also, i think the numbers from bone stock cars(`sides the tires). The mach1 has different "truck cams" which supposedly push more torque, along with the 3.55`s, is more what the cobra should need to dart out of the 330 mark.
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