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PHP intake spacer

Has anyone else read up on this spacer (June '02 5.0 Mustang). PHP claims a HP increase of 3-5 RWHP and on there test car (N/A), they saw an increase of 10.8 RWHP and 9 RWTQ. They also claim that on forced induction vehicles, increases of 20+ RWHP. Can anyone one here back these #'s up, or is it B.S.???

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Yea, just saw the mag article and my first impression is: "What the H*LL are they thinking?!?" 10 hp from a spacer!?!...$199?!?...That's a lot of clams and claims for 5 bolts and a machined piece of aluminum plate! IMO PHP's price piont is wayyy off, $99 maybe! I guess PHP is trying to recoup their "R&D investment" on the first 10 sold. If the gains are true, I'm getting a hunk of aluminum and a file and I'll make my own for $10 and some time
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Hell, why not make it out of plastic for about a $1? Maybe you could make it a couple inches thick & get a hundred HP?


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You may want to check on http://www.fordtrucks.com/ about it. I was looking for some info on a truck and saw a few posts/ sig. where the guys had them or were suggested to use them. Not saying it works or doesn't work, just suggesting that the boys on that site may be able to shed a little info on the subject....

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What a waste of time that was I just went through 27 pages of threads and the only thing I got was that people with ford trucks dont know anything about anything.There wre a total of 5 count them 1,2,3,4,5 people in 27 pages,2 new that they ownd a truck.1 said he noticed a diff.2installed it said they didnt notice anything nut were going to give it time to decide if they were going to take it out,the later said his truck shifted better without the spacer in it Go figure!Anywho I guess will just have to see what people on here are going to get.
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You people don't know what the hell you are saying. Look at the pictures in the article in 5.0 It's a pretty simple concept, on GT's that are still using the plastic factory intake it acts just like a carb spacer would on a carbureted engine. It makes extra power by improving the air velocity into the engine. Now, are you going to tell someone like Wilson Manifolds that their chunks of aluminum don't make any extra power???? Please people, your doing nothing more than making yourself look stupid!

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You people don't know what the hell you are saying. ... snip!... Please people, your doing nothing more than making yourself look stupid!
Would not be the 1st time! I know the theory on spacers, I know that spacers on carb'd engines do work, but for the life of me cannot see a small spacer in an already very long tubed EFI intake having a 10HP effect. It set of my BS detectors.

When independant reports, timeslips & dynos start coming down showing this thing actually works, I'll be more than willing to admit I was wrong.
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ALLNTRL,
Would you (or anyone) mind explaining how, Exactly, this spacer works? I'm all for improved flow into the intake, but if it's so darn easy, why doesn't Ford, and every other OEM just make their manifold w/spacers? It's 3/8" thick and adds what, 4 cu.in. to the intake volume...how much power improvement have Wilson Manifolds spacers demonstrated and how much do they charge for theirs? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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Think about it like this guys, your engine is nothing more than a big air pump. If you can move more air thru the same space at a higher velocity, have the fuel to match it, and are able to remove the air from the combustion chamber after it ignites, then you will make more power until one of these area's is maxed out. As for the Wilson Manifold spacers they can be worth anywhere from 5 to 20 HP depending on the application. They aren't cheap either, prices start around $150 and go up from there. Hope that helps make it easier to understand.


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3-5 hp gimme a damn break! Go out and spend your money on something valuable.
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Well, I checked out Wilson Manifolds, http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/, and it doesn't look like they've got anything for 16v Modulars. Decent prices though and nothing under 1" thick, they make 'em for NASCAR.

$87.51 for this one...

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If you really want to experiment and make your own, you could go to the Aircraft Spruce and Specialty website. They sell Phenolic Material. You could essentially carve your own and test it out. WOW, that almost sounds doable for the average person. I've been hanging around here to long, I'm starting to get experimental
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Well, I checked out Wilson Manifolds, http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/, and it doesn't look like they've got anything for 16v Modulars. Decent prices though and nothing under 1" thick, they make 'em for NASCAR.

$87.51 for this one...
Actually, I do think that they make some shorter than 1". Might not be listed on the website. They are the top of the line as far Carb. spacers go. And I already knew that they didn't make spacers for the modulars, just for the carb. guys. They can however make custom intakes for all types of racing appilcations including fuel injection stuff. And that isn't a bad price for the spacer you have pictured.

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I always thought that when you put a spacer like that on it was a trade-off, you lose low rpm hp ( torque ) to gain high rpm HP.

They say nothing about velocity on that website.
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I always thought that when you put a spacer like that on it was a trade-off, you lose low rpm hp ( torque ) to gain high rpm HP.

They say nothing about velocity on that website.
Correct, it "tricks" the manifold into thinking it has more plenum volume...it will cost you low end, though. On my buddy's modded Dodge ram, it moved the power up in the range, increased peak by 3hp but did cost some torque...enough to make a noticable difference in the way he launched. It was not a cost effective mod in his case, but I too would love to see some real world examples...hehehe but I'm not paying to try it out...

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I just put the spacer on my Porcharged 97 Cobra. Yea, it added 20 RWHP. That's not all folks, when I added two spacers, I gained 40 RWHP. Did I mention I sell spacers, taking orders,..... Just kidding,...yea they are popular on the 5.0s. Was wondering when they were gonna hit our market.
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I am just going to add that product to my BS list like
slick 50
prolong
zmax
stp
K&N dyno 0 HP/TQ
UD Pulleys dyno 0 HP/TQ
super chip 0 HP/TQ
and what ever that thing is that you put in your intake hose what was it called spiralmax?
ETC.ETC.

There have been many big names pushing junk.

If you charge enough for it there will be a lot of people waiting to buy it if it works or not.

There is a sucker born every 30 seconds.
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Well, I removed my silencer added a spiralmax, four intake spacers and some stickers. Should get me in the 12s easy!
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Well, I removed my silencer added a spiralmax, four intake spacers and some stickers. Should get me in the 12s easy!
That may work on Rice but not on Stangs.
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Point Blank.....If you Pay more than 35$ for that thing....You are a comoplete IDIOT...there are no two ways about it.

Yes it works, yes it will help.....but no, the people at PHP are not your friends for clearly trying to rip you off.

NOT MY OPINION...JUST THE FACT.

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Just think what kind of HP you would get with a Tornado & PHP spacer!
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I know I will sell low friction mountain bike chain and call it high efficency timing chains for the mod motor. Guaranteed to free up 15 HP due to reduced friction. I could sell these for at least $150 each. any takers??
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I know I will sell low friction mountain bike chain and call it high efficency timing chains for the mod motor. Guaranteed to free up 15 HP due to reduced friction. I could sell these for at least $150 each. any takers??
right on man ...when are you going to go public with that stock...i wanna buy some.....I 'll be rich

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yeah right like you do.....clown
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Look JackASS, I have forgot more than you'll ever know! So, as far as I am concerned, you can go F**k yourself! Have a nice Day.

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We have degenerated into the old who can insult the other man worst wins the argument syndrome.
And I thought this forum was for people to use their brains and try to gain knowledge, or air a legitamate opposing point of view to try to pursuade an individual that there may be a better way to do something. Backing their claims up with repeatable data not insults.

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Look JackASS, I have forgot more than you'll ever know! So, as far as I am concerned, you can go F**k yourself! Have a nice Day.
yea...your a car dealer......i'm a electro-mechanical enginneer....yawn....i'm not better than anyone......but give me some credit

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i do and will run a spacer on a carb any day,it helps the fuel and air mix,but on EFI i cant see it.
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The article says the spacer is 3/8 " thick. Is the clearance that tight on a GT hood?

I too have a hard time believing that I bolt a Bullitt intake on there NA and I get a whopping 5 hp. I leave the stock crummy intake in pace and instead throw a 3/8" spacer on there and ten hp shows up!!!!

And did you see the dyno chart? Even way down low you're getting 3-5 hp and 10 ft lbs of torque!!!! That little plate is magic!

I may have to make one just to see................
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That's what I'm saying get some phenolic material and whittle away.
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PHP = Paul's High Prices.

He was somewhat innovative with the Tach Adapter, but he gauged the market. Now, he continues to market high priced items.

I personally am awaiting the PHP Tornado, the PHP high speed engine and exhaust bearings, and of course, the PHP high flow paper disposable air filter.

All in all, I am not a larger supporter of market gauging, but if the spacer works, hats off to Paul. I do not plan on trading my u/d pullies for one anytime soon.

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Has anyone bought on of these yet?

OK I just bought one today.
I should receive it around the beginning of next week.

As soon as I receive it I will have a before and after dyno for everyone.

I am the type of person that must know all the facts before I talk negitive about anything.

The dyno will tell us all.

Watch for a new tread around Wednesday with before and after numbers.

And NO I am not getting paid from PHP.
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Is this for the Bullit or SVO intake or for the Stock Plastic ? I have not read the claims or dont know what the product is made from but on the 5.0s the way you were gaining power was that the spacer kept the upper intake from getting hot and it was actually the cooler air that helped to produce more power and torque. I suppose the same theory could apply to SVO or Bullit intake.


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This spacer installs between the plastic lower & the aluminum upper elbow if the stock 4.6 SOHC plastic intake.
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Hey silver 35th:

Thanks for stepping up.

We'll be waiting to see the results.
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