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FRPP heads Q

This is my first time really checking out this forum and posting on here so exscuse this question if it has been posted a billion times. Does anyone have or know anything about the new heads that fords selling for the 96-98?
http://www.fordracing.com/performanc...M%2D6049%2DD46
Just wondering about thier potential with a little more work done on them and what the compression ratio would go to with them installed. (I have a 98)

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Are you referring to the "FR500" four valve heads? If so, I'll have flow numbers on a completed set by the end of next week.

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Fixed the link, screwed up the first time. No, the 2 valve high performance. I heard about you from mustang worlds forums. Any knowledge you can give would be greatly appreciated.
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I bought these heads for my 98 GT and I can't wait to put them in...theres still snow here. Anyways, with a little porting and polishing, these heads are the baddest out there. SHM has these heads in a race ported version and they are the most powerful 2V heads you can buy...bar none.

http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/html/cat04.html

The heads and the ford racing intake out of the box will give you 70 HP. Match them with long tube headers, X pipe, catback, cam, a chip and 24# injectors w/ MAF and you'll have over 300 HP for sure. Just imagine what P&Ping these will give.
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I have...

...those heads on my '96 GT. PM me and I'll share some details with you. 2001 heads might be a better deal. cheaper and more complete.
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...with a little porting and polishing, these heads are the baddest out there...
Except for buying the '99+ model stock heads, they're the ONLY ones out there. It's pretty easy to be the "baddest in the land" when there's no competition.
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....with a little porting and polishing, these heads are the baddest out there. SHM has these heads in a race ported version and they are the most powerful 2V heads you can buy...bar none.


Wanna bet?
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Re: I have...

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...those heads on my '96 GT. PM me and I'll share some details with you. 2001 heads might be a better deal. cheaper and more complete.
Hey Randy - Out of curiosity, I've never really heard your opinion on the FRPP 2V heads. Could you let me in on those "details" as well? PM if you want. Thanks!

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From SHM's website:

2056 96-01 GT FULL RACE 99-01 PI
heads, race ported, oversize intake
and exhaust valves. - $3250(pair)

Hey SD, you think you can beat that price?
What in the world are they doing to those heads for these prices? Are they gold plated??

Psycho-Stallion, please talk to TheGame before making your decision on purchasing new heads, you won't regret it.

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Are you referring to the "FR500" four valve heads? If so, I'll have flow numbers on a completed set by the end of next week.
Are those the 6049/6050 heads? I would be very interested in that information!

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From SHM's website:

2056 96-01 GT FULL RACE 99-01 PI
heads, race ported, oversize intake
and exhaust valves. - $3250(pair)

Hey SD, you think you can beat that price?
By about $1200.

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By about $1200.
Hey SD, I PM'ed you a few weeks back about the SVO heads and other stuff. I am still looking forward to a reply

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How much potential do these SHM race ported PI heads have anyway? Will they flow to make more than say 700rwhp?
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Hey SD, I PM'ed you a few weeks back about the SVO heads and other stuff. I am still looking forward to a reply

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I did reply. You didn't get it? If not, shoot me another email. Sorry about that.
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I did reply. You didn't get it? If not, shoot me another email. Sorry about that.
Unfortunatly I never got your message. I just e-mailed you my e-mail addys.

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Wanna bet?
If you are talking about the SVO heads not having the most power potential I disagree. The great results of your portwork on cylinder heads certainly speak for themselves. I'm positive that if you were to put your skills to the max on a set of SVO heads and then on any other set of heads avaliable (I guess the PIs are what we really are comparing to), all other things being equal, you would get the best results from the SVOs. This argument is, of course, overlooking value in favor of all out performance.

Now that I've said that, I think you were actually refering the lofty claims made about Sean Hyland Morotsports' portwork. I have no doubt it is good but baddest in the land might be debatable.
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Also "the baddest in the land" is debateable when the PI heads also increase compression ratio. For the guy who's looking for a bolton, yeah, that's probably the route to go. For the guy with an svo blower who's have to have the intake matched and deal with the compression and boost...... not neccessarily the route he may want.
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Also "the baddest in the land" is debateable when the PI heads also increase compression ratio. For the guy who's looking for a bolton, yeah, that's probably the route to go. For the guy with an svo blower who's have to have the intake matched and deal with the compression and boost...... not neccessarily the route he may want.
Don't let the compression scare you away. It can be lowered to a '96-'98 stock level on the '01 heads with some chamber modification.
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TheGame, you never really threw any input onto the thread about those heads? And does anyone know what the compression ratio goes to with them? Thanks for all the respones.
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I did reply. You didn't get it? If not, shoot me another email. Sorry about that.
Did you get my e-mail finally?

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Are those the 6049/6050 heads? I would be very interested in that information!
Yup. I'll have everything done by the end of next week. PM me for details.
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From SHM's website:

2056 96-01 GT FULL RACE 99-01 PI
heads, race ported, oversize intake
and exhaust valves. - $3250(pair)
Tanguy
20575 96-01 GT SVO
FULL RACE HEAD SVO
head, race ported.
$2750(each)


Thats $5500 for the pair. not including the cams. You could buy a complete 4V engine for that price.

Oh wait it gets better

2044 96-98 COBRA FULL
RACE mag bronze
guides.Race ported,
oversize exhaust valves
and seats race valve
springs, titanium retainers,
hardened locks, stainless
valves. Mag bronze guides,
race valve seals.
$7495(pair)
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Oh wait it gets better

2044 96-98 COBRA FULL
RACE mag bronze
guides.Race ported,
oversize exhaust valves
and seats race valve
springs, titanium retainers,
hardened locks, stainless
valves. Mag bronze guides,
race valve seals.
$7495(pair)



Oh yeah..........that's much better.
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Garrett,
We can agree or disagree all day long. I personally thing the PI heads are more than a match for the SVO heads. I can put the same size intake valve into the PI heads along with a larger exhaust valve than the SVO will take. Exhaust valve size on the SVO is limited to the stock '96-98 size exhaust valve. Compression is another issue where the PI wins. Flow numbers aren't the only measure of performance. There may be a small advantage in the SVO intake runner over the PI. I doubt it though. All told.........I'll take my PI heads over the SVO units. Once installed and setup properly I personally believe the PI heads will make more power and go faster.

ProjectCobra,
Since we've covered three or four different sets of heads here you'll have to be specific as to which heads you're talking about.
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I don't know where you got your information about the exhaust valve size in the SVO heads and the stock 96-98 heads.

Here's some info on the SVO heads:
Direct replacement heads add 35HP instantly and up to 70HP with Ford Racing's intake manifold!



Direct replacement for stock 96-98 4.6L heads.
Will fit 99 when used with Ford Racing Intake Manifold.
Accepts production or SVO intake and exhaust manifolds
46.83mm intake valve diameters
(improves airflow 27% over stock)
35.88mm exhaust valve diameters
(improves airflow 44% over stock)
320-T6 aluminum casting
Perfect for Hi-lift cams, larger springs and
custom porting & polishing

How can the exhaust airflow improve over stock if the valves are the same?
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How can the exhaust airflow improve over stock if the valves are the same?
Flow through the heads is determined by more than just valve size. There is friction created with every bend and rough surface that a fluid (air) must travel over and around. Minimizing friction allows the fluid to flow at a higher velocity. The FRP heads have different shaped runners and ports that allow more velocity. Additionally, if they are bigger in cross section, they can flow more air. Also, keep in mind the FRP claims of 35 and 70HP out of the box are only for the '96-'98 cars. They will do MUCH less on a '99+ car.
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I'll make you all a gentlemens bet that my SVO heads and intake with other mods (listed below) will put my 98 GT over 320 HP N/A. With similar mods except for 99+ ported heads I'd like to see the same.

I'm sticking with SVO heads because they cost me a damn arm and a leg and I expect them to be better!

My mods:
-SVO heads (unported or unpolished)
-SVO intake
-SVO shorty headers
-SVO windage tray
-SVO 3.73 diff
-Bassani X pipe and catback
-Steeda 24# fuel injectors
-155 or 190 L/h fuel pump (undecided)
-Steeda low resistance ignition wires
-Steeda U/D pulleys
-Pro M 80mm w/ K&N
-180 Stat
-Diablo Sport Chip
-SHM Cam
-Removed silencer

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I'll post power and torque numbers sometime in May (when I get enough money for insurance) or sooner hopefully. Like I said...I'm expecting over 320 HP. Thats about 100 HP over stock.
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just curious did you only buy one cam from SHM?
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Talking

Mr. Funny guy. I bought a pair of SHM cams...thanks for the enquiry though. I buy windshield wipers in pairs too. When I buy sparkplugs I go all out and get 8 new ones.
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sometimes i only buy 4 quarts of oil : i was just kidding its says "SHM cam" in your profile
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I'll make you all a gentlemens bet that my SVO heads and intake with other mods (listed below) will put my 98 GT over 320 HP N/A. With similar mods except for 99+ ported heads I'd like to see the same.

I'm sticking with SVO heads because they cost me a damn arm and a leg and I expect them to be better!

My mods:
-SVO heads (unported or unpolished)
-SVO intake
-SVO shorty headers
-SVO windage tray
-SVO 3.73 diff
-Bassani X pipe and catback
-Steeda 24# fuel injectors
-155 or 190 L/h fuel pump (undecided)
-Steeda low resistance ignition wires
-Steeda U/D pulleys
-Pro M 80mm w/ K&N
-180 Stat
-Diablo Sport Chip
-SHM Cam
-Removed silencer

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I'll post power and torque numbers sometime in May (when I get enough money for insurance) or sooner hopefully. Like I said...I'm expecting over 320 HP. Thats about 100 HP over stock.
are you talking rwhp??? If so i will have to call Bullshiit...If not then i guess it is reasonable.
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320+ RWHP...read it and weep. Just wait and I'll prove you some SVO power. There are a couple more tricks to get a 2V 4.6 into the 400 HP club. I'm just going part way there. Next summer, all bets are off.

Do some research into real magazines like 5.0. All other mags just focus on the cosmetics. Don't doubt the power of the 4.6's.

Downplaying real N/A power is BS. I have more than a K&N and pulleys bud.
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I don' think anyones doubting the power of the 281 as this is the modular forum. Anyway, I'm sure you can make great numbers with the SVO set up. But you can make the same with the PI's for alot less.
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And oh yeah just cause you paid more doesn't mean didley. It just means Ford found another way to stick to you!!!! I recommend the Game! SHM AND SVO are too high in price. Wheeler's where it's at.
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I'll make you all a gentlemens bet that my SVO heads and intake with other mods (listed below) will put my 98 GT over 320 HP N/A. With similar mods except for 99+ ported heads I'd like to see the same.

I'm sticking with SVO heads because they cost me a damn arm and a leg and I expect them to be better!

My mods:
-SVO heads (unported or unpolished)
-SVO intake
-SVO shorty headers
-SVO windage tray
-SVO 3.73 diff
-Bassani X pipe and catback
-Steeda 24# fuel injectors
-155 or 190 L/h fuel pump (undecided)
-Steeda low resistance ignition wires
-Steeda U/D pulleys
-Pro M 80mm w/ K&N
-180 Stat
-Diablo Sport Chip
-SHM Cam
-Removed silencer

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I'll post power and torque numbers sometime in May (when I get enough money for insurance) or sooner hopefully. Like I said...I'm expecting over 320 HP. Thats about 100 HP over stock.

You'll probably see ~100HP over stock, but that will be 100 rear wheel HP. Your car stock, if it's a 5spd, put down somewhere in the neighborhood of 190 RWHP (that 225 you're thinking of is BHP at the crank). Add 100 to that 190 and you're at 290ish. All that drops if you've got an automatic. With what you've got, you won't see 320RWHP. You better get long tubes to come anywhere close. I'll bet I come in at or very near what you're doing with more money in the bank. The last item (the tune) won't happen for awhile unless it's absolutely necessary, so the results won't be known in the near future. But since we're spouting off...

On my black '96GT
'01 P&P heads (higher compression than those SVO heads)
'01 intake
ModMax spring kit
cams (not that overpriced SHM variety either)
***(an early thanks to SDW for those above four)***
FRP ceramic shorty headers
VRS catted X pipe
Dynomax SS UltraFlow catback
K&N
ported stock MAF
180¬įF thermostat
an as yet undecided plastic cold air intake kit
and a tune once it's all in

Just because you paid more and EXPECT them to be better does not mean they are. It only means that you paid more. And if you hadn't paid more, you might have had enough money for insurance now and had it on the road.
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