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Older GT500

I see they creep up in power over the years.

If I buy one of the older GT500, like a 2011 or older, is there an easy way to upgrade the power to new GT500 levels?

Is there any year that is not worth it?



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Pre '10 GT500s have cheap interior that doesn't hold up very well, primarily the door panel leather pieces. More creaks and rattles.

With just a JLT intake and custom tune with mufflers, my '08 put down 463 to the wheels at 6k rpms. He should have taken it to 6500 but let off early. It was still pulling hard and should have easily put 475-485 at 6500rpms.

I've since then added a 2.5" pulley (peak boost around 15-16psi) and it should very easily put down no less than 520ish at 6500 now.

The next best option is a supercharger upgrade (along with the intake, tune and pulley) for under a few grand and would net 100ish to the wheels. Pretty sure you need bigger injectors as well...


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So if a get an 11 with 3k miles on it for a reasonable price, with minor changes it has the same potential as a newer one?


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Very close. The 5.8 is an amazing engine but with the right mods, the '11 can be meet and surpass a stock '13-'14.

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So if a get an 11 with 3k miles on it for a reasonable price, with minor changes it has the same potential as a newer one?
My '13 put down 609 rwhp completely stock.

I would say any earlier Shelby has the potential to meet and exceed the stock power levels of the 13-14 cars. It just takes money and the correct modifications. You might even want to consider a newer GT and mod it as I know most (well some) are reluctant to mod a Shelby because they eventually want to bring it back to stock. Plenty of new GTs modified that are up in the 600hp range (power adder like turbo or supercharger).

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I'm looking at 2 different 2012 GT500's, one black with narrow grayish stripes and one white with no stripes at all. I really want a car that doesn't scream look at me. I don't want wide high contrast stripes or some bright color.

If I can't find a Shelby suitable for the price I want to pay I'm going to redo the engine in my Gray CS GT 2011 because it is a beautiful perfect car. I'll either dump 10-15k into my 2011, or dump a little more in a trade on a Shelby.


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Remember the 07-09s also had the clutch/flywheel issues. If you get one it is basically mandatory to do the synchro check that is documented in the TSBs and then have the flywheel clutch swapped out with the McCleod flywheel/RXT combo or the 2010+ Ford setup.

The good news is a LOT of owners will already have this done among other things. The 07-09 GT500 is a steal if you are looking for a Shelby or special edition car for what you get and for $30k you can usually find one with the clutch done with all the other normal "bolt ons".

Example, there is a 07 near me for sale for $29k with 32k or so miles on it. Has full exhaust, the RXT, a tuner, blower and crank pullies, suspension and a few other cosmetics. Makes in the 520hp range to the wheels IIRC. That car is a simple 13/14 supercharger swap and some better injectors from 700+whp.

The 07-12 motors are all capable of the same output really, they just used aluminum blocks in 11/12 with most everything else being identical.

As far as the 05-09 interiors... the door panels are a well known issue and there are plenty of fixes from just peeling off the stock stuff if its still in good shape and re-gluing it with something that will hold or using aftermarket pieces. The rest of the interior is honestly pretty good.

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Thanks!! I'm still looking.


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Try the svtp classifieds

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Is 46k too much for a <10K mile 2012 loaded Shelby? No mods. This is a no stripe car.



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That's dirt cheap actually. Jump on it if it checks out.

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That's dirt cheap actually. Jump on it if it checks out.
OK, I'm trying to close the deal.

My insurance will be 1K per year, so that isn't too bad. I thought it would be worse. State Farm values the car at 53k replacement value based on pix and VIN.


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Closing tomorrow on a different one. 500 mile drive tonight or Sunday to get it. All checks good.

White car, charcoal single color interior, stripe delete, glass roof, SVT performance pack with 3.73 gear, electronics package with Nav, 16k miles. Still has a few months left on 3 year warranty. Everything I wanted. Looks plain, good date car, and not too expensive.

I always wanted one. Had a 66 GT K code and a 1994 Cobra, my first Shelby.


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Dealer took my deposit, committed to hold the car until Monday, and then sold the car to a third party. Beyond the deposit, I have maybe $1000 additional expense tied up in this.

I'm not sure what the law is in Indiana. Down here, it is breech of contract or fraud and they would be liable for damages. What a bunch of crooks. It was a GM dealer. I should have known.


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Sadly even if you are in the right and legally they have to give you recompense good luck getting it or getting it without putting more $$$ into legal fees...

If you have a contract, raise hell with the manager. If it WAS the manager, escalate to corporate. Make a scene in front of as many customers there as possible. After you get your deposit back of course. I'd tell them I was going to call corporate and give them all the names and details unless they compensate you and see what happens, maybe you might get something?

Next step, get on the SVTP classifieds and buy from a private party enthusiast. This accomplishes 2 things. 1- no dealer asshattery. 2- you know who owned the car and often have threads on Shelby/SVT forums you can read about the car and how it was taken care of and if the owner sounds like an idiot or not.

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Sadly even if you are in the right and legally they have to give you recompense good luck getting it or getting it without putting more $$$ into legal fees...

If you have a contract, raise hell with the manager. If it WAS the manager, escalate to corporate. Make a scene in front of as many customers there as possible. After you get your deposit back of course. I'd tell them I was going to call corporate and give them all the names and details unless they compensate you and see what happens, maybe you might get something?

Next step, get on the SVTP classifieds and buy from a private party enthusiast. This accomplishes 2 things. 1- no dealer asshattery. 2- you know who owned the car and often have threads on Shelby/SVT forums you can read about the car and how it was taken care of and if the owner sounds like an idiot or not.
Oh it gets deeper. I raised hell multiple ways. They called tonight and said after some conversations and meetings the buyer wanted to settle on a new Corvette instead. I said so I get the car after someone maybe hammered it for day or two, for how much now?

I tried to look at the SVT forum but could not see a for sale section. I'll try again.

There still is the $46k 9K mile 2012 in Chicago. It has stripe delete, SVT pack, and nav pack. They will ship to me free, but for 46k plus taxes I need to touch it before signing. That means an 11 hour road trip. I'm 64, so that is two days up and two days back.

This entire thing with cars half-way across the universe is too much headache for me. When I was 30, I could drive 12 hours straight. When I was 30, I couldn't afford 46k for a toy.


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Shelby GT500 Buy/Sell


Its a little buried.

I'd tell that dealer to go to hell personally.

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I just bought a 2010 GT500 vert with Nav, 2.9 whipple upgrade and upgraded 22" Shelby rims with 5,500 miles on it for $42,300. No dyno but I know it puts no less than 650 to the tire.

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I just bought a 2010 GT500 vert with Nav, 2.9 whipple upgrade and upgraded 22" Shelby rims with 5,500 miles on it for $42,300. No dyno but I know it puts no less than 650 to the tire.
Yeah that's about right for the 2010 with the iron block. But damn... that is a LOT of car for the money.

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You bet it is - and why I jumped on it. Even has Carrol Shelby's signature on the window post cover

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I've abandoned this.

After looking at my needs and what I already have, I found a nice real low mile 2014 White California Special with glass roof and every other option to add to the stable.

If I feel the need for speed, I will just throw a Roush TVS or something else drivable on the car. I'm not even sure I want to soup up the car. There really is no place safe to use something like that, and I don't need a $40k track car for someone to smash up.


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Lots of debates on this forum and SVTP and others about a Coyote vs a GT500. The Coyote is definitely a monster. Also can get them with automatics if that is something you might want. The 6R automatic is ridiculously good.

But the '14 CS fully optioned GT sounds awesome and probably still is even under warranty and everything.

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Lots of debates on this forum and SVTP and others about a Coyote vs a GT500. The Coyote is definitely a monster. Also can get them with automatics if that is something you might want. The 6R automatic is ridiculously good.

But the '14 CS fully optioned GT sounds awesome and probably still is even under warranty and everything.
This is a perfect car for me. It has two years and 25000 miles of full warranty left, and the remaining 4yr / 45k remaining on drive line.

A real nice 2012 Shelby would have been 10K more, but a 13 or 14 would have killed me on price.

I'm really enjoying it. I can race my other cars.


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Heh you can race THAT car... doesn't take much to put them well into the 11s and still get great MPG for DD use.

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Heh you can race THAT car... doesn't take much to put them well into the 11s and still get great MPG for DD use.
There goes the warranty. I guess I could get a dealer to install a Roush TVS or Motorsport and buy the drive line warranty.


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Nah, they can do that NA. Especially the auto. But yeah will need a tune which will likely bork the warranty.

Either way glad you got what you wanted. That's the biggest hit on the older GT500s is that you can get a near new year old loaded Coyote for the same price or less.

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I checked and my cost on a Phase three kit, because of "friends and family" pricing, is under $6k

So that buys this kit:

2011-2014 Ford Mustang Supercharger - Phase 3 675 HP Calibrated

To get a warranty it has to be installed by an ASE mechanic or by Roush, and that is about $1k plus 1k for 3/36 warranty plan. So I'd have about $8k in the 675 HP kit with a warranty, or if I did it here about $6k and 10-15 hours, but it would void any failure caused by the SC installation.

I'm thinking about the phase 3. They said they have never had an engine failure yet with their tune because it is pretty conservative, and the A6's are tough enough even when stock. If I tote the car up to them, there could be no finger pointing if something went wrong.


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You got the auto? Good. How fast do you want/need to go? I'd be putting that money into a real good converter and suspension and tires before I went putting 675hp into a car on stock suspension TBTH. Automatic bolt on/converter Coyote with a good tune and some suspension and tires is a low 11 second car full weight that you can DD no problem.

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You got the auto? Good. How fast do you want/need to go? I'd be putting that money into a real good converter and suspension and tires before I went putting 675hp into a car on stock suspension TBTH. Automatic bolt on/converter Coyote with a good tune and some suspension and tires is a low 11 second car full weight that you can DD no problem.
I really don't want to change the suspension. This car is way tighter than my 11 and 12 GT's for some reason. Maybe Ford changed something by 14, or maybe because the other cars have 30-40k miles.

I think a stage 3 blower would make it just nice enough.




Even though this is the most favorite Mustang I have ever had so far, I haven't completely lost my fever for a GT500, so maybe a blower will cool me off until the GT500's drop more.


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I think you made a great decision...you won't be worrying about how much mileage or use you put on and another $10k will add some good upgrades. I'm going to have to do some more research on that 675hp kit, seems like good deal.
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how much do you really save?

I'm not worrying about how many miles I put on my car, it's mine till I'm dead........

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how much do you really save?

I'm not worrying about how many miles I put on my car, it's mine till I'm dead........
Appearance and features I like are what limited my choices. I looked pretty hard for a month or two, and even got screwed out of a deposit by an Indiana Chevy dealer (my CC company will get my money back).

For about $10k total difference from a 2011 trade with tax, I got a 14 GT/CS with everything I want.I would have spent over 30k difference to get a GT500 with similar features, age, and mileage.

It turned out to just be a far better deal to get a 14 GT/CS, although I still would like to have a later generation GT500.


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I like the stripes, but that's a personal thing. I picked up a '13-'14 TVS and will be able to make 600+ to the wheels easy with a tune. Nice thing being the warranty is running out anyway - I've been waiting for 3 years to modify the car - lol. Maybe you'll pick one up someday - mine is base with just glass roof and bigger stereo (all I wanted anyway) and it was just a couple grand more new than the loaded one you quoted above - something to consider...


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What year is that one? I'm still looking, but now I can cherry pick.


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Looks like a 2010. 07-09 engine in the refreshed body.

-2000 Mustang GT Steeda #0048. 4V swapped, FTBR IRS, Steeda factory suspension, Ultralites, VRS X, "Exhaust Shop Special" catback.

Stock 2V computer rewired for 4V, Tuned by James Gordon.
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