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What tuner? BS3, Megasquirt, AFM PMS, AEM, Moates QH, FAST XFI?

Looking to see what people are running and how you like your particular set up. Currently building a Dart block 327 turbo motor. Details in some other thread I posted. Anyway, should be easily capable of 600+, but want to know what "higher" HP guys are running/recommend.

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For the Higher hp would be the bs3



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i can say the megasquirt may be the little fish in the pond, BUT they have unsurpassed customer support and their development is unending! i dont know if the other guys have it or not, but megasquirt has an android app available so phones and tablets can be used for tuning wirelessly... do the big fish have this kind of additional stuff?

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Looking to see what people are running and how you like your particular set up. Currently building a Dart block 327 turbo motor. Details in some other thread I posted. Anyway, should be easily capable of 600+, but want to know what "higher" HP guys are running/recommend.
Any of them can suit your need. I'm happy with MS on my N/A 393w.

This guy is happy with MS on his twin turbo 515 with over 700whp.


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Look into Holley EFI and you may like what you find out. I would look into the HP version or if you want to get real serious the Dominator is amazing. The boost controller update will be released at SEMA at the end of this month and will blow you away
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I run the Holley commander 950950 wideband setup and love it. It is speed density but I run boost.

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I'm glad you guys mentioned the Holley HP, and Dominator EFI. HP EFI is sufficient for most builds, but if you need more I/O's, then the Dominator is the ECU to choose. Tech support is great, and the software is a breeze to navigate.
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Just ordered my Holley EFI Hp system today! I chose to order everything separate because I wanted the Ford injector harness and the NTK wideband O2 sensor which is not included in the kit.
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I like my FAST XFI, works great. I don't think you could go wrong with the XFI, BS3, or the Holley EFI, all 3 are good setups. Might be worth seeing who uses what around you, in case you need local help with it.

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I dont have near the power you are making but with my setup the MS has been nothing but perfect. Easy installation, very easy to work with, great customer support and also isnt too terribly expensive.


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Xfi fast. 2.0. See sig for times!!

I run there g-meter, drive shaft speed sensor and fuel press sensor along w all the normal stuff it comes w!!

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aim wondering bout the same thing, I got a mod motor but not sure what to get. Ill have a 76mm turbo, turbo cams, ported heads,80 lb injectors return fuel system, what would be a good and how hard is it to self tune?

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it might be interesting to have everyone post up how much their standalone cost them from start to finish, hardware and software... ill start...
MS PNP v3.57 complete... less than $600
i paid for the full version of tunerstudio and megalog viewer... $60.00
i added the innovate LM-2 basic and analog I/O cable for $289 (didnt HAVE to have this)

soo, the actual standalone AND full version software was less than $700.00.

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it might be interesting to have everyone post up how much their standalone cost them from start to finish, hardware and software... ill start...
MS PNP v3.57 complete... less than $600
i paid for the full version of tunerstudio and megalog viewer... $60.00
i added the innovate LM-2 basic and analog I/O cable for $289 (didnt HAVE to have this)

soo, the actual standalone AND full version software was less than $700.00.
from the prices ive been getting for the xfi is $2000+

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After watching a friend tune his XFI i was amazed at how unfriendly the software was. It was a step above a DOS program IMO.

I have MS2 plug and play and you really cant go wrong with that setup for the money, and when you get the full version of the software you can set up the software to tune the VE tables while you drive the car. I did this with the driveability part of my tuneup and it works great. The software that megasquirt uses is updated often and is very user friendly and it doesnt take long to figure it out after some basic reading on tuning setups.

On my next motor im definitely going with the Holley Dominator setup. For the money, no other ECU can touch it, and it looks to be very easy to tune with.

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Thanks all. I've been looking at all these. I like the expandability of the MS, but will try to find someone local to discuss. I know an oldteam buddy ran it on his SRT4. Also see a lot of Accel DFI's for sale, but not heard results.
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I use the stock Fox ECU with an 18mhz crystal and an SCT chip. But I only make 858 rwhp with a YSi at 23 psi and run 120# injectors with e85. Lol.

Do you absolutely need a standalone for 600rw?

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I use the stock Fox ECU with an 18mhz crystal and an SCT chip. But I only make 858 rwhp with a YSi at 23 psi and run 120# injectors with e85. Lol.

Do you absolutely need a standalone for 600rw?
FLF makes a very good point, there is no given point when a standalone is "required". i went to the MS because it made good sense for ME, being able to make changes/tune mods myself (since my changes came in stages), and by the time i sold my new O2 sensors, O2 sensor harness, PMAS 95 MAF... i had almost all the money for the MS. if someone is gonna have a tuner tune their car once (maybe twice) and be done, they may be better off having a reputable tuner tune the stock ECU.

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No, you dont need a standalone, but when i got the base tune in my megasquirt, and i didnt like what the air fuel looked like at 2200 rpms cruising down the highway, i didnt have to go back to my tuner and have him reburn my chip. I could do it myself. That is priceless to me. Also, if i stayed with the A9l and a chip, i wouldve needed a new MAF, which cost 2/3's of what my MS2 box cost

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Mega all the way. I am moving into MS right now. I am doing MS3x with COP, tired of the distributor ignition system. bad TFI, bad dizzy, bad coil. All gone. Just LS1 coils right to ecu.

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Mega all the way. I am moving into MS right now. I am doing MS3x with COP, tired of the distributor ignition system. bad TFI, bad dizzy, bad coil. All gone. Just LS1 coils right to ecu.

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ive been thinking about converting to COP using wasted spark with my MS2...

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I do agree that if you are tuning it yourself and know what you are doing, a standalone makes sense. Plus you can data log. Only way to data log stock ECU is a SNEEC, and well, good luck finding one.

I can build an engine and do just a about anything mechanical on my car. I cannot self tune a car at my power level with any confidence though. I envy those who have the ability.

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I do agree that if you are tuning it yourself and know what you are doing, a standalone makes sense. Plus you can data log. Only way to data log stock ECU is a SNEEC, and well, good luck finding one.

I can build an engine and do just a about anything mechanical on my car. I cannot self tune a car at my power level with any confidence though. I envy those who have the ability.
Its really not very hard to tune the car yourself. What i did was have the base tune done by a professional, and fine tuned all the driveability stuff myself. I had no idea how to tune a car when i bought megasquirt. I read as much as i could about making MAPs and timing, and even the basic fuel injection stuff that i already knew just as a refresher. It is really very simple, if you have basic computer knowledge, you can do it. The sweet thing about megasquirt is when you use a registered version of tunerstudio, you can program the VE analyze to tune the fuel map while you cruise down the road. Basically, you tell it the target AFR, and just drive. The more you drive with the VE analyze on, the better the car drives. People always comment on how smooth my car is, and that they are surprised a car that fast could be that tame on the street.

This is a very good book to read: High Performance Fuel Injection Systems Designing Tuning Book Manual Engine EFI | eBay

The book can get a little boring at times, but once you actually start trying to tune the car it is easier to follow.

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FLF, I'm guessing your car was the white hatchback at GTR today? Only Fox other than the Green Turbo that appeared to be "higher horsepower". Surprised at all the smog equipment as well. Nice car!!
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FLF, I'm guessing your car was the white hatchback at GTR today? Only Fox other than the Green Turbo that appeared to be "higher horsepower". Surprised at all the smog equipment as well. Nice car!!
Yes that's mine. And thanks!

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This is a very good book to read: High Performance Fuel Injection Systems Designing Tuning Book Manual Engine EFI | eBay

The book can get a little boring at times, but once you actually start trying to tune the car it is easier to follow.
I have both of Banish's books plus DIY's megasquirt book, plus a lot of other tuning books, and DVD's

A little boring is putting it nicely.

I too was looking at Megasquirt, but Bob wasn't tuning it at the time. So I got BS3. I went with what the tuner suggested.

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Love my squirt, can go out with the laptop and tune anytime I want. Also allowed me to swap to coil packs (EDIS).
Kit- $278 (I put it together myself)
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Love my squirt, can go out with the laptop and tune anytime I want. Also allowed me to swap to coil packs (EDIS).
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I know it is not always a popular option but I used the AEM plug and play system and couldn't be happier with it. The features it has are awesome, from traction control to nitrous, boost control, pretty much whatever you want. The software is really intuitive and the development is great as well.

It can be a little costly but they pop up used every once in a while, picked mine up off the classifieds for $800, was still in the box with the factory seal. And actually used boxes frequently go cheaper.

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Is Kurgan tuning Megasquirt now?
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Is Kurgan tuning Megasquirt now?
the last time i talked to kurgan, he was waiting for someone with a squirted car to bring it to them so they could try it out. ive never used tuning software before my squirt, but from what everyone says, its all pretty much the same thing. then i saw where the guys from DIY were supposed to get with kurgan (since they are neighbors) and let him check one out, i dont know how this went. when it come right down to it, im about 99% sure if someone had squirt and called bob for an appointment... he would schedule one.

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Lots of guys run BS3 on the street. A friend of mine has it in his vert, 650rwhp 363 with a novi 2000, car is very smooth, you would never guess it made that kind of power

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Vorteched88GT runs a BS3 on his street car. 1014 rwhp with 363/ YSi.

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I'm interested in MS also. I'm trying to figure out what to use for my setup.

89 302 mustang block, 70mm TB/Plenum, edelbrock rpm, crane 2040 cam, BBK LT headers, explorer lower, m1112 w/8psi pulley.

I've been looking at Moats, tweeker, and MS. MS is map correct? Which is easier to tune? and best for boost?

i've never owned anything that ever required a "Real" tune.
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