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post #1 of 61 Old 08-18-2012, 10:55 PM Thread Starter
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I bought a Moates Quarterhorse about 2 years ago for a build that stopped but is now back on. The question is what software do I need to use the QH...I see Paul Booth and Clint Garrity...EEC editor. But, i can't find a download for the Paul Booth software "Freeware"...maybe no longer available. Where can I get free/cheap software to do a very basic tune on my build.

I have installed the QH on the ECM without issue and my laptop has recognized it via the USB cable and installed the drivers that I downloaded from Moates. My next step was to get some software and that's where I hit a road block. I even...very stupidly...paid for the Paul Booth software thinking it would be a download, but it was only a code that I should have entered into the comments section of the order all of which should have occurred after I downloaded the software first. But, again...I can't locate the software on the internet anywhere. What next?

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Maybe I don't need 30# injectors and maybe I don't need to tune it at all. I'm green as grass and will take all feedback. FYI...This is a High End Rock Crawler motor...not drag car. Need High End for Snow Wheeling...have low gears for low end. So...Despite you thinking a 4x4 would want low end power...I want more High end than would normally be thought.

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are you talking about binary editor and eec analyzer?

eta: nm i see it now. you might have better luck over on eectuning.org tracking that down


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you need to download Binary Editor then purchase a license from Clint to activate it.

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you need to download Binary Editor then purchase a license from Clint to activate it.
What he said.

I too am running binary editor with my quarterhouse, and from my research binary editor is the best one to get.
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I had to run real quick but was I meant to add was that if you purchased something related to eec editor from the moates website, then see if you can get it refunded from them and then get the activation code for binary editor and eec analyzer, they are the preferred software for tuning on the quarterhorse. Out of curiosity i downloaded the eec editor software and it is difficult to work with at best. There is also a lot more support for BE as well. Something else is the dongle for BE that you could look at getting. that way if something happens to the computer that you are tuning on, you won't have to buy the license again. just something to think about.
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I run TunerProRT. If you have an idea what parameters you need to change and what they mean, then this is a great free alternative.

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I love this thread already..

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Thanks. I was hoping to not have to pay the money for the Clint BE, but it sounds like that is part of the deal. Okay, I will buy it. But what exactly do I need to buy from the eec site. I downloaded the software and need licenses. On the EECanalyzer.net website I'm confused about the licenses I need to make it all work. First do I need both analyzer and BE? Do I need the hardware License? I bought the QH hardware about two years ago from poweraddersolutions...don't know if I got a hardware license at the time. Am I confused about the hardware license? How much should all this cost?

Do I need both a software and hardware license?

Do I need both Editor and Analyzer?

Remember I just plan to do a simple tune to maximize the mod's I've made that I list up this thread. I am a do it yourself type of guy and read until 2:30AM last night. I read...beginners start here...and several other FAQ's on the eecanalyzer.net site.. I downloaded the BE and Analyzer software and found my strategy and bin file to match my mustang A9L computer. I loaded them into the BE software and data is over-whelming me. I hope I don't have to learn all of that. Having said that....its way cool too. Looks like I can edit just about anything. Sometimes too much power is a bad thing though.

I just want to input the changes I've made and populate the necessary fields correctly relative to the mod's I've made and then download that to the QH and then install it on the ECM to get me running. I assume to really dial things in I would need to learn much more and tinker and data log etc. But really I'm just looking for someone to say...hey...you're not drag racing...these are the changes you need to make to get 98% of the bene's from your mods. The guy at poweraddersolutions or something like that...said he would send me a file to get me rolling, but he never did. Or, Ihe did and I've lost it.

Any help file's or guidance for learning how I get my mod's into the BE would be great. Like my cam...how do I tell BE about my cam change and head change? I want to run electric fans off the computer if I can too. Tech is freakin cool...

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you dont need both BE and EEC anylzer. I used just BE with my QH.

I dont believe you need a hardware license, but I would email Clint and i'm sure he will tell you exactly what to do.

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Just fork out the money for Binary Editor , you will thank me later

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So $100.00 for the BE license. I'll do that.

Before I shell out the money, I would like to confirm that my general assumption about the BE is correct. With it, I should be able to create a tune for the QH which will go on the A9L ECM. And, a relative newbie should be able to work through most issues they run into and they should be able to get 98% of the benefits their engine mods are capable of generating...Yes?

That is what BE should allow me to do...Yes?
Is that realistic assuming my skills to figure it out are good to better than good?

I'd just hate to shell out $100.00 and never get anywhere.

As for the Analyzer...What does it do? What purpose does it serve?

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If you have a real good understanding of the Ford EEC-IV and the GUFx strategy than yes you should be able too. I like EEC Analyzer it has some nice features. I have spent hours upon hours and still don't have my car 99% perfect but better than any generic tuned car I've been in. This isn't my first car I've tuned though and have done it via chips ans pms before.

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So $100.00 for the BE license. I'll do that.

Before I shell out the money, I would like to confirm that my general assumption about the BE is correct. With it, I should be able to create a tune for the QH which will go on the A9L ECM. And, a relative newbie should be able to work through most issues they run into and they should be able to get 98% of the benefits their engine mods are capable of generating...Yes?

That is what BE should allow me to do...Yes?
Is that realistic assuming my skills to figure it out are good to better than good?

I'd just hate to shell out $100.00 and never get anywhere.

As for the Analyzer...What does it do? What purpose does it serve?
Yes that is what BE will allow you to do , however dont expect it to happen on day one or even week one. You should be able to get a basic tune running that will have your car up an running reasonably well in the 1st day or 2 , but maximizing the tune may take a month or more depending on how much time you have to spend with the laptop in the car and how long you spend reading and asking questions at eectuning.org

If you havent been reading at eectuning.org I suggest you start a.s.a.p it will pay off tremendously once your ready to start tweaking.

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Don't expect to get you licence for BE, open it up, alter the tune and get it spot on straight away. Also, I wouldn't expect anyone to pipe up and tell you exactly what you need to do to get it right, without giving it a go yourself first, either.

Head over to eectuning.org. There's a mountain of helpful information over there. Start reading in the FAQ section and that should get you going.

If you have any trouble with the software, Clint is very helpful and I've found he replies to any emails in a very timely manner.

Edit - got sidetracked whilst writing this message. It looks like I pretty much copied you Bubba, not the case!

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Okay, so it sounds doable, but maybe a bit more difficult than I hoped. I have been on eectuning.org and read several of the Faq's. No, I'm not expecting anyone to do it for me without me trying it first. I do hope I can learn enough to create a tune that will at least me safe...meaning no lean out and boom. If I can get there...safe...and running I will do whatever I have to do to squeeze 95...96...97% from the motor. Again, I'm not drag racing and just want to get a good, efficient running motor that idles well, and doesn't over heat.

How much of each of the fields in the BE do I really need to understand to get where I've described above? I found a A9L bin file that is non-emmission. I assume that will be my starting point, Yes? I think its time I switch over to EECTuning.org ...

I ask again, what is Analyzer? What purpose does it serve?

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I ask again, what is Analyzer? What purpose does it serve?
It lets you see how your changes work. You can read your datalogs in EA after you record things in BE. There are also tools there to make dialing in the MAF a litter easier, injector timing, etc.

It is worth the cost.

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It lets you see how your changes work. You can read your datalogs in EA after you record things in BE. There are also tools there to make dialing in the MAF a litter easier, injector timing, etc.

It is worth the cost.

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Thanks. So, BE allows you to pull in Strategies and bin files to see and set all the settings, data log and burn a tune to the QH....and Analyzer allows you to see the results of those setting from the data that is logged when the engine was running. Yes...? Think I got it.

Is WB 02 controller a must when data logging with BE?

Adding up costs here fast...
100.00 for BE
WB set up 142.95
Analyzer 70.00
Total cost not including the QH is $312.95.

Is there more coming?

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You May want to buy the Dongle with the BE software so your license works with any computer.Otherwise you are tied to a particular laptop.
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Adding up costs here fast...
100.00 for BE
WB set up 142.95
Analyzer 70.00
Total cost not including the QH is $312.95.

Is there more coming?
This is one of those situations:
100.00 for BE
WB set up 142.95
Analyzer 70.00
Moates QH 239.95
Cost of tuning your own ride PRICELESS!

You are going to pay more than that to have a tuner install a chip and tune it, not to mention that every change thereafter will be even more invested to alter the tune. It seems most tuners only tune Wide Open Throttle/ Open Loop while on the dyno, they don't mess with driveability.

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How much of each of the fields in the BE do I really need to understand to get where I've described above? I found a A9L bin file that is non-emmission. I assume that will be my starting point, Yes? I think its time I switch over to EECTuning.org ...
You prolly only need to adjust about 10 parameters (a couple more for a supercharged car) to get the car running right. The key is to know what parameters need to be changed. Parameters that control Maf Transfer and Injectors are key.

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Is WB 02 controller a must when data logging with BE?
A wideband is really needed to help you see what is going on with your Air/fuel while in Open Loop. It's great to have the AFR right there in the datalog for reference. You can tune Closed Loop with your Short/Long term fuel trims (Lambse/Kamrf)

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You May want to buy the Dongle with the BE software so your license works with any computer.Otherwise you are tied to a particular laptop.
I'm not familiar with the dongle, I believe the Software License only lets you use one computer and the Hardware License allows you to tune from multiple computers

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Thanks. So, BE allows you to pull in Strategies and bin files to see and set all the settings, data log and burn a tune to the QH....and Analyzer allows you to see the results of those setting from the data that is logged when the engine was running. Yes...? Think I got it.

Is WB 02 controller a must when data logging with BE?

Adding up costs here fast...
100.00 for BE
WB set up 142.95
Analyzer 70.00
Total cost not including the QH is $312.95.

Is there more coming?
The only relatively close comparison (in terms of cost) I know of is the Megasquirt stuff, but I have absolutely no experience with it so I'm not sure how similar it is for the user. For ~300 bucks you would not be able to tune the car any other way yourself effectively. There is a STEEP learning curve with BE/EA, so don't expect everything to fall into place without some trial and error. YOu could also pay $1000 for a PMS from Anderson Motorsport, does about 20% of what BE can do for three times the price.

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How much of each of the fields in the BE do I really need to understand to get where I've described above?

I ask again, what is Analyzer? What purpose does it serve?
To get a "basic" tune, you are going to have to set your injector slopes, MAF curve and timing tables. That will be the basic starting point and where you will spend most of your time tuning. From there, you can turn off the EGR, raise the rev limit and mess with a few other things. It will take you weeks if not months to really start to get the hang of it. You will most certainly need EEC Analyzer since you have no experience tuning. It will make things much easier and go much faster.

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You've spent THOUSANDS in parts, but yet won't pay $130 to make it all run right?

I don't understand how so many people struggle with this concept.

Run like ####, dyno horrible... Or drive like stock, self ability to fully tune..

For the cost its a no brainer!!!!

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subscribed as I just got my rock crawler up and running also and I'm trying to make it run right so I may have to pony up for the QH stuff....chris
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buy BE, EEC analyzer and a WB O2 it is relatively inexpensive and you will be able to tune your own car to drive exactly the way you want to and you will learn alot in the process

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Good thread. Random question: is there anyway yet to run the software with an android phone? My Droid 4 is probably more powerful than my old-ass laptop. A lot smaller too. It would be awesome if I could tune my car with my phone.
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The only bad thing about BE is that you can only use it on one computer - I've got a computer upstate with the car and another at home and I need to buy a separate license for each. I've also got a built in computer that I want to use for logging without perching a laptop somewhere - another license.

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I tune mine with a netbook. Not sure you could tune with the phone... how would you get it to sync with the QH via USB?

A Software License only lets you tune from one computer. You need a Hardware License in order to be able to tune from multiple computers (previously not offered). (scottyM: figured out what the dongle was)

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Excellent responses. Been off line last day or so.

I hear everyone about the cost...its 3-400.00 and you've spent over a grand in the heads alone... I get it. I just happen to be hitting the money crunch right now and I'm hoping the roof on my house has one more winter in it...hehe... I'll pony up the money. I just hope I can figure it out and not damage the motor...figuring it out. I'm betting with all the software and help I can get here and on eectuning.org I should be able to get to where I need safely.

I have one good laptop that will serve my needs so the dongle can wait.

Where next....I planned on removing the EGR and going non emmission from the start since its a 1971 Early Bronco and doesn't require smogging. I found a bin file that is essentially the A9L for 89-93 mustangs less emmissions on eecanalyzer.net. Anyone familiar with that file? Its SOZ.bin. http://www.eecanalyzer.net/DocMan/Gu...p?id=4&state=2

I was thinking that file would be a good starting point. Then, I really have no idea where to go next given my mods to the motor.

Help...advice...links....anything would be appreciated. I will read and take the initiative to do things on my own, but I need to know where to start. I was told below to start with my injector slopes, MAF curve and timing tables. Where/what can I read to better understand these and further identify the changes I'll need to make relative to my mods?

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I tune mine with a netbook. Not sure you could tune with the phone... how would you get it to sync with the QH via USB?
Most phones these days have a micro-USB port. I figured I could use a micro-USB to USB cable to connect the phone to the QH.

Anyhow, I ordered my QH, BE (dongled), and EA today. The car is a mild 306 with cobra MAF, 24#ers and X3Z so tuning it may be overkill but I'm tired of surging idles and code 41/91 CELs. I've got an Innovate wideband and guage waiting to go in. Time to tune!
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Not going to work via phone - it's a x86 executable - unless you are running true windows on your phone then you can't do it (unless you port it across then I think Clint will pay you)

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The free strategy files on that website are very incomplete. Contact sailorbob or popsracing over on eectuning.com and pay the $30or so for a fully documented and commented strategy file.

All the pids, scalers and tables have comments on their meaning and usage. It's a big help.

Also EEC analyzer is a diagnostic tool that Takes your datalog and provides graphs and feedback on your tune's performance.

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If you didnt get your software yet I would say go with Binary Editor 100%. Get the hardware dongle so you can use it on a differant computer if necessary. Clint (the designer) is very easy to get ahold of via email and his customer service is top notch!
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Well if anyone is stiil on here and looking at this, my thoughts on Clint ar totally different... I lost my computer due to a flood and he will not help me out with the license. He just wants more money from me. All he said is i could get one at half price or a full price usb. When i already paid for one, but he doesn't care that i cant use that one anymore. #### happeneds so please if you do get one make sure you put it on a computer that is indestructable and will never have any problems because he doesn't care about it he just wants your money. If anyone can crack it that would be sweet im looking into it now and if i get it cracked i will post it everywhere i can so othe people wont have to go through this ####...
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Well if anyone is stiil on here and looking at this, my thoughts on Clint ar totally different... I lost my computer due to a flood and he will not help me out with the license. He just wants more money from me. All he said is i could get one at half price or a full price usb. When i already paid for one, but he doesn't care that i cant use that one anymore. #### happeneds so please if you do get one make sure you put it on a computer that is indestructable and will never have any problems because he doesn't care about it he just wants your money. If anyone can crack it that would be sweet im looking into it now and if i get it cracked i will post it everywhere i can so othe people wont have to go through this ####...
Don't they say never to sue a lawyer or hack a hacker?

I agree that Clint is very inflexible about licensing, and my generally good opinion of him is tempered by that fact. I still think he offers a good product. I don't think trying to crack the software is a good idea.
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Well if anyone is stiil on here and looking at this, my thoughts on Clint ar totally different... I lost my computer due to a flood and he will not help me out with the license. He just wants more money from me. All he said is i could get one at half price or a full price usb. When i already paid for one, but he doesn't care that i cant use that one anymore. #### happeneds so please if you do get one make sure you put it on a computer that is indestructable and will never have any problems because he doesn't care about it he just wants your money. If anyone can crack it that would be sweet im looking into it now and if i get it cracked i will post it everywhere i can so othe people wont have to go through this ####...
You sir, are a piece of ####.

I have BE 2009 and know full well that if I want to upgrade, it means buying all new software. You need to see Clints side of things. If you buy his software then claim your computer is broken... whats to stop you from giving your license to a friend and spreading the software around for free.

Clint has done well for new users by offering the dongle. Now, if your computer ####s out, your dongle is your license. Anyone I recommend his software to, I always advocate the dongle. Its worth the cost.
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