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Anyone Ever Have Problems w/ their Optima Battery ?

Mine doesn’t seem to want to hold a charge, I don’t drive my car that much but I shouldn’t have to jump it every time I want to start her up.

I have brought the battery back to Advance twice and they put it on their charger and said it was fine. It read 12.5V across the terminals, at the store, but I left the batter out of the car, and after 3 to 5 days it dropped ½ volt, and as time went on it continued to drop voltage to it reaches about 11.0 to 11.5 volts. It doesn’t get much lower then that but it is enough not to start my car.

I have about a year left on the warranty and have had nothing but problems with this battery from day one, Advance is doing nothing for me, what should I do.

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tell them to load test the battery. A battery can have 12 volts and not turn an engine over...that takes hundreds of amps...

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I think they did that last time first they charged it for an hour then they put it on another stand that I think did a load test.

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No, have them do a load test right now, BEFORE the numbnuts charge it for an hour. You need to know what your battery is capable of after sitting for a few days. If they charge it and then test it what's the point of the test? If you want a second opinion swing by an Interstate batteries dealer or Sears auto and see if you could talk someone into load testing your battery. What it does is apply the equivalent of the starter's current draw on the battery as long as they are holding the switch. If the meter goes past the green and into the red it's a bad battery.



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I've killed two Red tops. One lasted 18 months and the other only 8 months. My pullies don't charge well at idle and my alarm and a relay for a securty feature all suck down the battery. If you read the Optima site, the Red tops are not ment for current drains. (My previous Die Hards lasted 3-4 years. ) After a while the batteries would not restart the car after a couple of days even if I left the alarm off. Both batteries tested bad by Pep Boys and were replaced. The last time I got a yellow top.

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A buddy of mine has had several go bad in a customer's Pantera. Another customer had several in his Stingray. They sound pretty questionable to me.

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my first RED TOP is still kicking after 6+yrs, i used it in my stang for the first 6yrs and now its doing duty in my beater 90 escort, the only reason i replaced it was it was old it showed NO signs of giving up in my mustang.

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Mine is only about a month old, but I've left my car sit with the alarm on for a week and it's always cranked right over. Stock pullies though, and a redneck alternator wiring job (8 gauge split and run into both factory power wires).
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Tony...I hope you ran a ground wire from the battery to the block for a good ground so you can keep a good charge on the battery.


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I had a RedTop Optima until last month. It didn't last 2 yrs after having been discharged dead a few times in that span. I guess they don't like to be run down, but my Stang sits idle all winter. For the money I spent on the thing, I think it's a POS. Gotta Diehard in there now, should have done that 2 yrs ago.

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Problem is with the RED tops. My brother and I have had extensive experience with both the Yellow and Red tops (he has an SUV).

The red top is not much different than most other parts stores batteries....if it discharges once it's pretty much useless from that point on.

Now the Yellow tops are a different story, those can go completely dead a number of times and perform at 100% My yellow top has discharged a handful of times with no problems.

Some people try to argue that the yellow is 'primarily' for stereo systems and the red is for cranking....wrong.....the yellow is just well suited for stereos since it can discharge with no side effects. And the red is deemed "cranking" since it's not well suited for cars with high amp audio systems that may drain a battery, which leaves it with the only other function...cranking. The yellow will crank a car all day long just fine.

The red is not worth saving the $50 to me, if you're going Optima then yellow is a better route. Just my experiences with both batteries.
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Problem is with the RED tops. My brother and I have had extensive experience with both the Yellow and Red tops (he has an SUV).

The red top is not much different than most other parts stores batteries....if it discharges once it's pretty much useless from that point on.

Now the Yellow tops are a different story, those can go completely dead a number of times and perform at 100% My yellow top has discharged a handful of times with no problems.

Some people try to argue that the yellow is 'primarily' for stereo systems and the red is for cranking....wrong.....the yellow is just well suited for stereos since it can discharge with no side effects. And the red is deemed "cranking" since it's not well suited for cars with high amp audio systems that may drain a battery, which leaves it with the only other function...cranking. The yellow will crank a car all day long just fine.

The red is not worth saving the $50 to me, if you're going Optima then yellow is a better route. Just my experiences with both batteries.
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Now the Yellow tops are a different story, those can go completely dead a number of times and perform at 100% My yellow top has discharged a handful of times with no problems.....the yellow is just well suited for stereos since it can discharge with no side effects.

That sounds like the typical deep cycle (read: yellow top/blue top) battery to me.

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I should have just got a diehard, but I think more of this battery problem has something to do with my relocation to the trunk.

I am in the process of redoing all this wiring as we speak.

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I have an NAPA version and have discharged it many times and it charges right back up. I have probably killed it 5-6 times. I use a trickle charge on it also.

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My understanding with the Red vs. Yellow tops from Optima is the yellow Top is not designed for continual charging like the Red Top. Typical use for a Yellow Top might be a trolling motor, where it gets used during the day, then recharged at night. The Red Top is automotive designed, where it continually gets recharged with very little discharge. In any event, the Red Top I had did not perform better than every other lead/acid battery I've owned. In fact, it did worse for me.
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Here's my Optima story. I used to work at a junkyard, where they sold batteries for 14.99. One day we got an Optima in so I snatched it up at my 50 percent discount and installed it in the stang. That was 6 months ago, and it still works fine. Never have I ever had a battery problem. BTW it is a red top. Seems to work for me, so as far as I am concerned, yellow/red whatever, I got a hundred dollar battery for 7.50.

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I had a redtop from 94?, everytime i left the dome light on or alarm on(slow drain) the battery would die within hours, after getting pissed off I sold it, the new owner said hes had no problems what so ever . So I just stick with the sealed cap AC Delco batteries, but some Delcos had acid leakage from the side posts (yea you guessed it mine was a leaker)
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Well my attempt to get this battery replaced under warranty continues. I in contact with Optima customer support and it seams that there is a special tester that is required, because a bad optima will test good on normal test stands. Optima is suppose to call the store where I bought the battery but I haven’t heard back from the store or Optima.

I an effort to make sure that this battery is going to test bad, I left my headlights on all last night when I took a voltage reading across the terminals

0.354 mV

but when I turned my lights off it started to come back after about a minute it was at about 0.5 V, I had to go to work so I’ll see what it is when I get home.

I just want a new battery, I have no confidence in this one.

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Pep Boys is a retailer for Optima and tested both of mine bad (as I knew they were). I purchased the first one one line. Optima said any retailer should give me a replacement. I had to convince the Pep Boys manager but he gave me the replacement and when that one crapped out, I had the Pep Boys receipt and went to a yellow. I agree with the above, let the red die once and it is toast.

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Same here, killed 2 red tops in 18 months, you cant let them go dead, for the money you would think they would recharge, I borrowed a cheap battery from my friend for a while and it worked better than the red top, I have a yellow top now and no more problems.
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If you are thinking of purchasing a battery, I think the Duralast from AutoZone is a great battery. I have them in all my cars and never had a problem.

If they go bad within 3 years of purchase, they give you a new battery! My Duralast Batteries are supposed to be good for 7 years or more and have 1000 cranking amps.

I think they are still $59.95 or $69.95.

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Well, the lights have been on for three days and the battery shows about 0.5v.

I am going to bring it to AutoZone today and see what happens, I may just get another Red Top, but they do have a Yellow Top in stock and told me I would hve to pay about $55 to go to the yellow.

(I don't know what I am going to do yet)

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Tony, Tony, Tony,
For the amount of money you paid for this battery, you are wasting for to much time on it. Life is too short. Get rid of it. Get a Diehard and enjoy life.
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Just an F.Y.I, when you buy the red or yellow top optimias you have to tripple charge them first! I had the same problems as above and went back to the place I got it from and they held it over night and it didn't hold a charge. They gave me a new one and I called the manufacture and they said that if the battery was sitting on the shelf in stock that they have to be tripple charged! I did that and all works well! I have the red top for about 4 years now no problems!

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What the hell is triple charging?
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What the hell is triple charging?
Put another way.....triple charging = gimmick
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