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Novi347 04-27-2019 04:50 PM

Team Z Upper Control Arm Relocation Kit
 
What are your guys experiences with this kit? I'm already running the adjustable lower and upper arms.
My GT consistently 60s in the upper 1.5s (without a transbrake). Looking at picking one up. The videos I've seen state that these kits allow for properly relocate Instant Center.

Thanks,
Rich

thebuilder 04-27-2019 05:31 PM

When i installed mine i did a few other things at the same time. So dont take these numbers as gospel. I went from a 2.1xx to a 1.71 60ft after the work i did

That was going from factory rear to team z relocated uppers lowers and different tires

cleanLX 04-28-2019 08:48 AM

They are a copy of the baseline kit that Kevin has been making for eons.
Cannot speak to the Z, but the baseline has made my car consistent even when spinning (too much rpm off the line).
Really like working with Kevin, very helpful in choosing the right kit, and in dialing it in after purchase.
http://www.baselinesuspensions.com/
He's on this forum a bunch helping folks... KEVIN$...

Novi347 04-28-2019 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleanLX (Post 18553128)
They are a copy of the baseline kit that Kevin has been making for eons.
Cannot speak to the Z, but the baseline has made my car consistent even when spinning (too much rpm off the line).
Really like working with Kevin, very helpful in choosing the right kit, and in dialing it in after purchase.
http://www.baselinesuspensions.com/
He's on this forum a bunch helping folks... KEVIN$...

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Ok, I'll look into those as well.

No Rice Nate 04-29-2019 09:03 AM

I personally have no info on the team z uppers. Iím using the baseline relocated uppers and have consistent 1.4x 60í. His service after the sale is top notch.

jeffrey1 04-29-2019 08:08 PM

Kevin Baseline suspension is top notch I have not spend a $1 with him but he will give you free tech advice and tell you want he recommends will not over sell you #### you don’t need

Project Reef Blue 05-06-2019 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffrey1 (Post 18553544)
Kevin Baseline suspension is top notch I have not spend a $1 with him but he will give you free tech advice and tell you want he recommends will not over sell you #### you donít need

X2 Kevin has helped me over the years with free suspension advice and I do not use his controls arms. Its all about instant center and the specifics of that vehicle. I have learned it doesnt matter who's parts you use - relocated uppers, relocated lowers, doesn't matter. Have to get the instant center in the sweet spot for that particular application. I purchased the performance trends software and plot my car as I make adjustments. If you're not prepared to plot your own suspension, I would recommend purchasing from someone who has experience and will help you measure and set it up on your specific vehicle.

JFraser27 05-06-2019 10:44 AM

Another vote for Kevin, I have his setup on my car, I just installed it last week. So far so good. He answered my questions even before I bought it from him. Top notch in customer service.


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Novi347 05-07-2019 12:36 AM

I've installed the Team Z kit and centered the rear end as well. Those bushings were fun to get out while the rear was still in the car lol. Suspension tuning is an art in itself. I'll have to look at the hardware. I weight the car last time out at the track, but don't independent wheel scales to know the exact weight ratios (front to back) per side. I've never seen the software mentioned. Still learning this part of the sport. Are those independent scales necessary or is there another way?

Thanks,
Rich

Dwain 05-07-2019 02:48 AM

I have the baseline suspensions setup on my car.. I have the Street Outlaw kit which gives me 6 different IC plot points. Havent been able to get my car on the track since installing it but even on the street I notice significantly more traction during launches. The a$$ end doesnt drop like a lead brick when the power is applied like the stock geometry does. I would recommend it over the Team Z simply because you have more adjustability and TeamZ is just a copy of the Baseline kit anyway

No Rice Nate 05-07-2019 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novi347 (Post 18555306)
I've installed the Team Z kit and centered the rear end as well. Those bushings were fun to get out while the rear was still in the car lol. Suspension tuning is an art in itself. I'll have to look at the hardware. I weight the car last time out at the track, but don't independent wheel scales to know the exact weight ratios (front to back) per side. I've never seen the software mentioned. Still learning this part of the sport. Are those independent scales necessary or is there another way?

Thanks,
Rich



Better call Team Z and get their input since you used their products....

Saleen414 05-07-2019 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novi347 (Post 18555306)
Are those independent scales necessary or is there another way?

Rich

Scales allow you to verify that the changes you are making are the correct ones. That does not mean that you can not get the car set up without them. It just helps verify that what you did is correct or not. It is amazing how much the weight can be manipulated side to side and front to back just with suspension height adjustments. But by and large, getting the instant center correct is more important than "scaling" the car. You can have perfect front/back side/side weights and if the instant center is off the car is not going to hook. The scales are the fine tune part of the equation.

Novi347 05-08-2019 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saleen414 (Post 18555508)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Novi347 (Post 18555306)
Are those independent scales necessary or is there another way?

Rich

Scales allow you to verify that the changes you are making are the correct ones. That does not mean that you can not get the car set up without them. It just helps verify that what you did is correct or not. It is amazing how much the weight can be manipulated side to side and front to back just with suspension height adjustments. But by and large, getting the instant center correct is more important than "scaling" the car. You can have perfect front/back side/side weights and if the instant center is off the car is not going to hook. The scales are the fine tune part of the equation.

Thanks for the input!

Project Reef Blue 05-08-2019 08:39 AM

As mentioned you don't require scales to calculate the instant center length. However you will require to evaluate antisquat percentage (if thats something youre interested in). FWIW once the instant center is in the ballpark I have found greater tuning benefit from a quality set of DA rear shocks than playing with anything else.

jeffrey1 05-08-2019 09:14 AM

How are you guys getting instant center are you using a Weight jacker style lower to adjust, And will a Weight jacker control arm work with the relocated uppers property. Because both companies that offer relocated uppers don’t offer a Weight jacker style lower arm

Novi347 05-08-2019 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Project Reef Blue (Post 18555604)
As mentioned you don't require scales to calculate the instant center length. However you will require to evaluate antisquat percentage (if thats something youre interested in). FWIW once the instant center is in the ballpark I have found greater tuning benefit from a quality set of DA rear shocks than playing with anything else.

What are indications of having IC in the ballpark. Is it having a consistent 60ft? My home track's prep has a tendency to vary quite a bit.

Saleen414 05-08-2019 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffrey1 (Post 18555622)
How are you guys getting instant center are you using a Weight jacker style lower to adjust, And will a Weight jacker control arm work with the relocated uppers property. Because both companies that offer relocated uppers donít offer a Weight jacker style lower arm

You change Instant center with an adjustment to either the upper control arm mounting point, either at the body or at the rear differential, or by changing the rear lower control arm mounting point at the differential. Changing the angles of the control arm mounting point changes the instant center. Also changing the front and rear ride heights can also change instant center as it changes the angles of the control arms in the rear of the car. If you drew an imaginary line through the control arms, the point that that line from the upper control arm intercepts the lower control arm would be your instant center point. Here is an instant center calculator courtesy of Baseline Suspensions.

https://www.baselinesuspensions.com/instant-center.php

wywindsor 05-09-2019 08:25 AM

If you go to baselines web site all of our questions will be answered. Thank Kevin for the free advice.


Good day

AtomicCoupe 05-09-2019 10:17 AM

Then buy his parts to support him

Novi347 05-09-2019 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wywindsor (Post 18555854)
If you go to baselines web site all of our questions will be answered. Thank Kevin for the free advice.


Good day

I've been to his site before. Definitely tons of info.

Novi347 05-19-2019 08:15 PM

Finally made it to the track. My 60ft times ranged from 1.5-1.6. Track prep isn't the greatest. A video of one pass showed that there is tire spin. Thinking it may be a good time to switch from the MT ET Streets to ET cetera Drags. Best ET that day was 10.6 @127 with the DA at 3500ft. Now I'm itching to get this car into the 9's. The next mod I have planned is swapping out my ported Cobra Intake over to a ported System Max II.

Didn't get many good videos. But here are two.

That's my son in the right lane taking his first pass in the 92 coupe.



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