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Arrow 2018 NMRA Coyote Stock record pass - yeah, again...

Coming out swinging in 2018.

Darin Hendricks (Coiled) set the pace again this season, just as he did last year.

NMRA Spring Break Shoot Out in Florida.

Using a brand new, "GEN 2" sealed Coyote engine and the new weight of 3100#. Only the seventh pass on the motor!

First round bye run due to being the number one qualifier - National Record Reset in 2018

10.096 at 132.56 mph




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With a sealed crate engine. Damn.

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That's unbelievable result. They really have each and every bolt dialed in on that package. My Hat is off.

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Watching it again, that launch does not look very violent and I think it had wheel spin. It looks like it loads, unloads then loads the tire again. Is the 60' known? Just curious.
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Watching it again, that launch does not look very violent and I think it had wheel spin. It looks like it loads, unloads then loads the tire again. Is the 60' known? Just curious.
I never put any data in a public forum because this is an extremely competitive class. Others do it, I just don't. Don't even post any videos during the event for the competition to review.

The Cobra runs best with a little bit of wheel speed and never liked a dead hook. We're only one of three CS cars with a 25.5 chassis so that might be the reason. Some Coyote Stock racers use an adjustable "screen door deal" on their clutch pedal to reduce shock and dead hook but we are not. Then again, they aren't setting records.

For whatever it's worth, the sixties were "not" stellar all weekend because we're sneaking up on it with the new minimum weight rule. However, with the Cobra, my reference data aq points start at the 330 mark as each track has it's own 60 foot peculiarities. There are many times the front tires of the Cobra are not down at the sixty foot mark anyway.



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Fair enough. Pretty impressive. I bet nines before long.
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Hmmm. Yea, the screen door guy.

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Way to go Darin. Tell him he is going need one of these soon if he doesn't already have one:

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Way to go Darin. Tell him he is going need one of these soon if he doesn't already have one:

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435 hp, 3100 lbs and 10.0 / 135 mph is way beyond my knowledge. I'd really like to learn the rest of that combo?

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Andy Smith from Pro Tree did this one as well as the 2015-2016 Coyote Stock Championship car.

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435 hp, 3100 lbs and 10.0 / 135 mph is way beyond my knowledge. I'd really like to learn the rest of that combo?
The engine is sealed. But what about the computer? Tuning must play a big roll to getting the most out of that engine.

EDIT: Looked up the rules. Can't modify the tune either. Even more impressive.
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The engine is sealed. But what about the computer? Tuning must play a big roll to getting the most out of that engine.
Everyone runs the exact same "restricted" tune from Ford.

The ECUs are reflashed at every NMRA event and sometimes between rounds.




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435 hp, 3100 lbs and 10.0 / 135 mph is way beyond my knowledge. I'd really like to learn the rest of that combo?
The 435 HP # is from Ford. And at 6500 rpms. Not taking anything away from Ed and Darin, they take what they are given and always set new records. But if they are taking a 3100 lb car and running 10.0 with 435 crank HP, then every racing calculator you care to look at is not only wrong, but next level wrong. Even if you were to take the 435 HP and say it was RWHP, meaning 0% driveline loss, still doesn’t support those #’s. The Mustang / Camaro wars are pretty heated these days. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday. And again, this has nothing to do with Ed or Darin. Just say’in Ford might not be beyond fudging that HP rating. Would love to see the sealed motor and sealed NMRA program run on an engine stand dyno. Don’t think that will happen though. The numbers being run by the top tier racers in the whole class defy the physics of 435 crank HP.

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The 435 HP # is from Ford. And at 6500 rpms. Not taking anything away from Ed and Darin, they take what they are given and always set new records. But if they are taking a 3100 lb car and running 10.0 with 435 crank HP, then every racing calculator you care to look at is not only wrong, but next level wrong. Even if you were to take the 435 HP and say it was RWHP, meaning 0% driveline loss, still doesn’t support those #’s. The Mustang / Camaro wars are pretty heated these days. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday. And again, this has nothing to do with Ed or Darin. Just say’in Ford might not be beyond fudging that HP rating. Would love to see the sealed motor and sealed NMRA program run on an engine stand dyno. Don’t think that will happen though. The numbers being run by the top tier racers in the whole class defy the physics of 435 crank HP.

whats it at 8500???

it might very well make 435hp at 6500

everyone needs to stop looking at the motor its 100% out of the question. everything they do is flywheel back. same with every other heads up class with motor restrictions for that matter

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whats it at 8500???

it might very well make 435hp at 6500

everyone needs to stop looking at the motor its 100% out of the question. everything they do is flywheel back. same with every other heads up class with motor restrictions for that matter
I think we’re saying the same thing. What Ed and Darin do from the flywheel back is tremendous. But as you said, what is the HP at 8500? All I’m saying is that when people think that car is running 10.0 with 435 crank HP, they are sadly mistaken. And to my ear, I think you’re about right with the 8500 rpm #.

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Those calculators get less accurate as the car it's being applied to becomes more focused on being just a race car. Those calculators are biased towards street cars that race.
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Some Coyote Stock racers use an adjustable "screen door deal" on their clutch pedal to reduce shock and dead hook but we are not. Then again, they aren't setting records.
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Yeah they do. That would be my wife pit, Athena. Cant go rounds without her.
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Yeah they do. That would be my wife pit, Athena. Cant go rounds without her.[/QUOTE]

thought you guys were running one of them fancy black magic deals from Tinzy?

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Yeah they do. That would be my wife pit, Athena. Cant go rounds without her.
thought you guys were running one of them fancy black magic deals from Tinzy?[/QUOTE]

My wife and I? Nope we are just a mom and pop that runs the Div. 3 brackets sometimes successfully against all those powerglide guys. Our clutch setup is red.
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whats it at 8500???

it might very well make 435hp at 6500

everyone needs to stop looking at the motor its 100% out of the question. everything they do is flywheel back. same with every other heads up class with motor restrictions for that matter
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No need to think for a second those engines still make 435hp. Not at all. The tune they use isn’t the OEM tune for a bone stock 5.0 15-17 GT with all accessories and emissions, etc. Now, these engines are being revv’d to the moon with a tuned exhaust, not real front accessories, different intake tract, even the MAF is not stock. Won’t be surprised if they make 500+hp. The gears alone have to be between 4.88-5.12 at a minimum to maintain the higher powerband. The rest is all ingenious ways to make the car extremely efficient.

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If everyone runs the same engine and tune, basically, they should dyno one and publish the result. Would be really interesting. Really shoudln't be a secret since the engines are very close to all being the same.
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I think it would surprise a lot of people to see th dyno numbers. The drivetrain has to be very efficient.

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If everyone runs the same engine and tune, basically, they should dyno one and publish the result. Would be really interesting. Really shoudln't be a secret since the engines are very close to all being the same.
I would speculate the dyno would reveal how "efficient" everything is behind the crankshaft. In other words, rotating masses and losses in the flywheel, clutch, trans, driveshaft, axles, wheels and tires are a significant aspect to this type of racing. If all the engines are truly equal, imagine the ways one competitor makes more power at the wheel than another. He's not likely to want too much spotlight on his combination.
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I've seen the dyno # from the nmra tune, and you would be surprised. The guys have the chassis , clutch and other things that I won't reveal wrking ... You can't dead book these engines because they make no torque.

Ed , no clutch tamers in Darin's car?

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