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stiff sidewall drag slicks

do these really work better for stick cars? what are your experiences? i ran some last year but am trying non stiff this year and am wondering what to expect.

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do these really work better for stick cars? what are your experiences? i ran some last year but am trying non stiff this year and am wondering what to expect.
yes, I picked up .08 in my 60fts, but the most important thing was my car was more consistent.. get a set..


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I picked up a little on the top end also with stif sidewall. Also the car fills more stable. I love my stiff sidewalls!

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I didn't really see any et or 60' improvements, but I was super consistent last year running the stiff sidewall. Most will agree they are more stable on the big end. I'll be running them again this season.

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I don't see a stiff sidewall slick in summit. Just the regular ET Drags..????

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They have them. Part# 3055s if you want 28x10.5.

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I want a 26"

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What is the 3053S the stiff sidewall one?


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What is the 3053S the stiff sidewall one?
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I know it's 26"...

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Yes, the 3053s is the stiff sidewall 26". The 's' designates the stiff sidewall.

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Here is an article about the Mickey Thompson Tires 26 x 10 stiff sidewall that I wrote back in 2007 when I tested them for Mickey Thompson. The stiff sidewall 26 x 10 tire is for real. I have been as quick as 1.231 60ft with this tire. It is awesome little tire!!!!

Especially if you are running a stickshift car. The stiff sidewall tire will be a great tire for you.

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so basically what's the advantage to a stiff sidewall slick? is it just more consistent with a stick shift car (what i have) and more stable on the big end? i only run 1/8 mile so dunno if the last part would benefit me much at all.

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so basically what's the advantage to a stiff sidewall slick? is it just more consistent with a stick shift car (what i have) and more stable on the big end? i only run 1/8 mile so dunno if the last part would benefit me much at all.
the name basically tells you the diff in that and the reg slick. A stickcar will hit the tires harder than a auto, and you want the SS to absorb the shock. Try em out.........THEY WORK

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Here is an article about the Mickey Thompson Tires 26 x 10 stiff sidewall that I wrote back in 2007 when I tested them for Mickey Thompson. The stiff sidewall 26 x 10 tire is for real. I have been as quick as 1.231 60ft with this tire. It is awesome little tire!!!!

Especially if you are running a stickshift car. The stiff sidewall tire will be a great tire for you.
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the name basically tells you the diff in that and the reg slick. A stickcar will hit the tires harder than a auto, and you want the SS to absorb the shock. Try em out.........THEY WORK
I see slot of stick cars like the stiff sidewall, but why doesn't a regular slick absorb the hit better. My thought is it would winkle more, never understood this. Or is it when the softer tire gets back into shape that is the problem?
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I am not an expert on tire design. I do understand the importance to getting horse power to the ground. I will try to give you my thoughts.

Example A

First think about water balloon rolling down a glass table and how quick it gets from one side of the table to the other as you apply force to push it from one side to the other.

Second think about a steel ball in the same diameter as the water balloon. Using the same force to push it from one side of the table to the other. Which one rolls quicker? Pretty easy to answer. The steel ball.

The object in racing is to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible. You need to be able to apply as much power to the ground without sacrificing any loss in the tires (of course there are other parts of the race car , but we are talking about tires).

Example B-

Get 2 rubber bands. Both same diameter. One that is thin and very elastic. And the other that is stiffer,thicker, and tighter. Pull them back off your finger and shoot them across the room/ Which one has the ability to shoot farther? Yep the stiffer/tighter one.

Take these examples and think about the differences between a drag radial and a slick. Hope this helps you understand better.

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i run the 28'' stiff wall. Ive been 1.43 sixty foot with them and 1.53 on the radials. This is a stick car. Thy are pretty great, the car dosent move around on the big end like it did when i ran on 26'' ET streets either. I dont think id be able to tell the difference between the stiff wall and the radial on the big end. I spent alot of time trying to get the radial to work, and 3 passes on the slicks and i was already at a 1.49 sixty foot on the slicks

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I see slot of stick cars like the stiff sidewall, but why doesn't a regular slick absorb the hit better. My thought is it would winkle more, never understood this. Or is it when the softer tire gets back into shape that is the problem?
Here is another way to look at it. The next time you are on the chassis dyno. Make a pull with 15 lbs of tire pressure. Then make a pull with 30 psi of tire pressure I'll say no more!!!

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Here is another way to look at it. The next time you are on the chassis dyno. Make a pull with 15 lbs of tire pressure. Then make a pull with 30 psi of tire pressure I'll say no more!!!
Now there's a scary picture!

I'll throw a couple pics to show the difference on the starting line for me. First pic is from around June 2010, running normal 26x10 slicks with 12lbs air, launching around 5800. Second pic is from September 2011 running a 28x10.5 stiff sidewall with 12lbs air and 6200 rpm launch. Much less tire distortion with the stiff sidewall, and I had slightly better and way more consistent 60 foot times all season.
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I think the picture has already been painted but another YES vote here for the stiff sidewall.


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iqmustang- those pictures are great and expalain a great deal. thanks for posting.
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and thanks to Bruce for all of hi input
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Great info guys, thanks Bruce, I always read your posts 10x. Is it safe to say then a drag radial is too stiff and hard on a stick car, a reg slick isn't enough and the stiffwall is just enough. (as a general statement for stick cars) I know there's many factors and people can get all the tires to work.
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Great info guys, thanks Bruce, I always read your posts 10x. Is it safe to say then a drag radial is too stiff and hard on a stick car, a reg slick isn't enough and the stiffwall is just enough. (as a general statement for stick cars) I know there's many factors and people can get all the tires to work.

I can agree with the current street drag radials are too stiff for a stick car. They can't handle the shock of a stick shift. You would have to hit it very soft on the line and hope you have enough clutch to pull the car down track. Look at a stiff sidewall slick as being able to handle the shock better then a regular slick. In the case of the 26x10 MTT slicks the stiff sidewall slicks are made of a different compound.

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I currently dont have the stiff side wall slicks ( with a 5 spd) but will the 26X10 SS Slicks fit on my 15X8.0 weld rims? Id like to step up to a slightly wider tire b/c Im currently running the 15X8 slicks but I also want them to properly fit on the rim. The summit site reccomends a 9-11 rim for the 15X10 tire so should I go with a smaller SS slick or will those fit fine on my current rims?

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You'll be fine with a 26x10 on an 8 inch wheel. I've ran that way for many years.

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You'll be fine with a 26x10 on an 8 inch wheel. I've ran that way for many years.
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the reason why they recommend 9-11 in rim on the 10in slick is because you will not get the full contact patch of the slick on the ground. After a while you will be able to see that in the way the slick will wear out... If you can get some 10in rims that will stiffen the sidewall even more... Good luck

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ok I'll keep that in mind thanks. Am I giving up a noticeable amount of time or traction with out getting a full contact patch if I do make the switch over?


Guess what I really am asking is will I see more of an improvement going to the 15X10 stiff sidewall tire on the 8" rim and giving up some contact patch VS staying with a 15X8 tire on the same rim but it not being a stiff sidewall

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Here are some things that I have learned over the years to help everyone. With reguards to better 60fts, tire life, etc.

1. Sunlight is cancer to slicks. Keep your tires out of the sun.
2. Rotate your tires from one side to the other as often as possible.
3. Do not let your tires go flat. It will destroy the sidewall.
4. Running tubes can help tire life along with better 60fts.
5. Rim screws will stiffen the sidewall. I run 16 per side.
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Hey Bruce. How's it going buddy. As always your posting some great info. Just for the fellow stick guys. I have been running 26-10 stiff for three years now with tubes as per bruces recomendation. Instantly dropped a tenth and a half off my best 60 ft. I've never looked back. I've ran a best 60 of 1.22 with 8.56 at 156. The car is a lot more stable up top now. I'm sticking with the 26-10 as long as I can. I'm going to weigh 2650 or less this year so I'm hoping to 60 those little tires in the teens this summer. Then upping the shot ang go for sevens. It won't be easy but I know I can get it close ( right Bruce?). As Bruce has told me take baby steps. I also want to thank mr Hemminger for all his help over the years and never asking for anything in return.

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