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Anyone using this new Dynojet w/b setup???

http://www.dynojetwb2.com/

Having problems with my Innovate setup, and I hate the small display... this thing looks pretty sweet with the optional LCD touch screen, and you can record right to an SD card which means you don't need a laptop. Looks like it also monitors a/f in relation to rpm, where the Innovate setup makes you use the RPM Converter cable, which I've heard is a royal pita.


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Can't help Jeff...but i can tell you that I really like the Zeitronix. You don't need any "rpm converters" or anything. You can datalog like 6 or 7 inputs (map, tps, rpm, etc...)
BUT, you do need a laptop.

That idea with the SD card is cool in that Dynojet!


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Jeff, have a look at the FJO Racing stuff. I just picked up the wideband/data logger last night. It can be done without a laptop in the car but you need a laptop to view the data.

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I have a laptop, but I like the fact that this Dynojet setup used an SD card, and the little touch screen setup looks sweet. I might not give up on my Innovate just yet. We'll see.

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Yeah, my innovate reads 1 whole point richer than my tuners dyno....very annoying. I would also be willing to try the dynojet one. Not sure where I'd mount the LCD screen.

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Yeah, my innovate reads 1 whole point richer than my tuners dyno....very annoying. I would also be willing to try the dynojet one. Not sure where I'd mount the LCD screen.
From what I've seen mine is pretty damn close to the dyno I was at last year... I just don't like the tiny-ass screen anymore, too hard to see at speed... and I like the one wire rpm hookup and SD card on this Dyno jet setup.

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Have you thought about the XD-16 guage?
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Have you thought about the XD-16 guage?
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Meh, sort of... I don't like the way the LM-1 records rpm, I've heard their RPM Converter cable is a pain to use, and again, mine won't let me download logs from the unit, so I might give up on it altogether, I'm not sure yet.

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Are you injected? I assumed you were therefore I also thought that you were tuning using a twEECer or the sort. There I go making an [email protected]* out of myself by assuming. Anway my brother has an LM-1 and an Aux Box. He likes it and it does what he wants. Took him a little time to get it to run right on his computer but I don't think he read the instructions.

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I do have the XD-16 guage. Its not a bad setup, just a pain in the arse that it reads so diff from the dyno. Also, there is a lot to it, cables, boxes ext. The dyno jet ones seems to be better organised.


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Jeff, check out the FJO stuff. http://www.fjoracing.com they have a programmable gauge, I have one. I tried mine out this weekend and I can't believe I went all those years without it.

Let me know if you want to see a test file

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Looks cool...although really you are paying a LOT for that LCD screen more than anything. I would still prefer a separate gauge for quick visual reference over an LCD screen.

Regardless, the lm-1 is a thing of the past...and the lm-2 also utilizes a larger LCD screen (not touch) with playback capabilities and recordable to an SD card. http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php

Just some food for thought...as it's quite a bit cheaper and likely able to directly plug in via. the serial port on your xd-16 gauge.

Also, if your tuner didn't ground the sensor in the same location as your lc-1...that could account for the large difference in AFR. If they located the sensor in the tailpipe…that too could account for some differences.

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btw, touch screens are usually a pain the royal ass with fire gloves on. Keep that in mind

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btw, touch screens are usually a pain the royal ass with fire gloves on. Keep that in mind
You don't use the touch screen to start recording AFAIK... that FJO setup doesn't show any sort of handheld or screen or anything??? How do you monitor a/f in real-time??? We have touch screens on our machines at work and I have no issues with them using Mechanix gloves.

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Jeff, theres a 2 1/16 gauge that mounts on the dash. I'll get some pictures tonight, their site doesn't seem to have them up there. At least not the new one I have

I have to hit the record button before I make a pass (at least that's how I do it!), so the laptop works great.
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Jeff, theres a 2 1/16 gauge that mounts on the dash. I'll get some pictures tonight, their site doesn't seem to have them up there. At least not the new one I have

I have to hit the record button before I make a pass (at least that's how I do it!), so the laptop works great.
Meh, I don't like the idea of having to use the laptop to record to.

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Can't help Jeff...but i can tell you that I really like the Zeitronix. You don't need any "rpm converters" or anything. You can datalog like 6 or 7 inputs (map, tps, rpm, etc...)
BUT, you do need a laptop.

That idea with the SD card is cool in that Dynojet!
X2, the laptop is a bit of a pain but all the info you get and then can graph is pretty good.

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I hear you Lou... but I still like this nice big easy to read display that comes with the Dynojet kit... I want something I can look at quickly going downtrack, not necessarily wait until I get back to the pits and look at after the fact... by then it might be too late.

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I hear you Lou... but I still like this nice big easy to read display that comes with the Dynojet kit... I want something I can look at quickly going downtrack, not necessarily wait until I get back to the pits and look at after the fact... by then it might be too late.
That's what your gauge is for.
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That's what your gauge is for.
Which gauge, the x-16???

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Which gauge, the x-16???
Yeah, any gauge that is seperate from the controller. When you glance up to get an AFR reading, you want to see JUST the number or perhaps a color...not a bunch of cool looking graphics. The quicker you can get your eyes and senses back on racing...the better. How #### would that be if someone had a HUD setup for all of your vitals?
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Yeah, maybe... but I have my LM-1 right next to my tach, which is nice, I'd hate to have to put the x-16 on the a-pillar way over there... I dunno, I still can't download from my lm-1 which is the main issue right now, and I'd still have to download to a laptop, which is a pita... I just want someone to talk me into the Dynojet setup.

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Yeah, any gauge that is seperate from the controller. When you glance up to get an AFR reading, you want to see JUST the number or perhaps a color...not a bunch of cool looking graphics. The quicker you can get your eyes and senses back on racing...the better. How #### would that be if someone had a HUD setup for all of your vitals?
Plus there is still the issue of me wanting to correlate a/f with engine rpm, and it's a pita with the Innovate and that RPM Converter cable.

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Yeah, maybe... but I have my LM-1 right next to my tach, which is nice, I'd hate to have to put the x-16 on the a-pillar way over there... I dunno, I still can't download from my lm-1 which is the main issue right now, and I'd still have to download to a laptop, which is a pita... I just want someone to talk me into the Dynojet setup.
Dude, if you want it...buy it!

Just a heads up though, the a-pillar is directly in your peripheral...and as such is likely the quickest for you to glance at when looking down the track. You should be using a shift light (again, seen through your peripheral) rather than staring down at the tach.

You don't have to go with an xd-16 either, but any ordinary digital afr gauge will do just fine. Hell, you can even wire one of the analog out's to a 0-5v input $20 lcd screen seen on e-bay and tape it somewhere convenient.
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Plus there is still the issue of me wanting to correlate a/f with engine rpm, and it's a pita with the Innovate and that RPM Converter cable.
Have you tried innovatives forums? I've heard the datalogging software with the innovative setup is excellent, so why not just figure out the rpm issue first?
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Have you tried innovatives forums? I've heard the datalogging software with the innovative setup is excellent, so why not just figure out the rpm issue first?
I e-mailed Innovate tech support and he told me that the data inside the lm-1 was corrputed, and to erase it (which I didn't want to do, I had 2 passes in there that I logged)... erased it, made a new log just driving on the street... same thing... "download failed"... I'm ready to toss it.

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I e-mailed Innovate tech support and he told me that the data inside the lm-1 was corrputed, and to erase it (which I didn't want to do, I had 2 passes in there that I logged)... erased it, made a new log just driving on the street... same thing... "download failed"... I'm ready to toss it.
Have you tried searching on their forums? http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/f...isplay.php?f=4

Here is a thread strickingly similar to your issues.... http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/f...hlight=corrupt
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Have you tried searching on their forums? http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/f...isplay.php?f=4

Here is a thread strickingly similar to your issues.... http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/f...hlight=corrupt
Not really the same problem... that guy's lm-1 reads something different that what the dyno reads. Mine is pretty damn close. My problem is that I can record data, but I can't get it onto the laptop, I've tried 2 different cables and I get the same problem. So I am thinking something is wrong with the lm-1 itself. And if I need to send it back, I don't want the hassle, I just want a better setup.

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