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Thumbs up *P-motor update #2*

Went to the track tonight and made some solid passes....
The air had to be really decent tonight...

All passes were made on 26 x 8.5" slicks, 2-step @ 5,100...
Stock cam still resides in the junkyard mill....

1st pass-----------2nd pass-----------3rd pass

1.59 sixty---------1.61 sixty------------1.58 sixty
7.56 1/8----------7.60 1/8------------7.56 1/8
89.83 mph--------89.53 mph------------89.76 mph

11.92 1/4---------11.98 1/4------------11.94 1/4
112.03 mph...------111.82 mph----------111.88 mph

What would a custom cam do for my set-up?
I would like to do some research and pick something that will make it worth my aggravation and money....


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Best to date: 11.80 @ 113.63mph w/ 1.55 60'
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Congrats on the great times! You should post this over at SBFtech. I would call Jay Allen at CI for your camshaft.

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Those are some damn good times for the combo...

On the cams you could email Ci or you could email Ed Curtis @ Flowtech Induction.

Ive bought cams from both of them. Installed a Ci cam first and ran it for 3 months, never took it to the track. Car ran out of power @ 5K. Installed a FTI cam a few weeks ago and the damn thing pulls hard to 6500. Same combo. Street power is smooth but really revs at 3K. The Ci cam had assloads of torque down low but ran out of steam too soon for my tastes.

Service is another thing. Ed is a very easy guy to deal with. He will work with what you have and make you a cam. He won't critique your combo and get mad when you don't want to buy his parts such as roller rockers, timing sets, and valve springs. Im not trying to start a war here but feel that a guy who has dealth with and bought from both of them has a little more insight than those who havent.

My instructions were simple, street driven, track a few times a year or more , want to hand vettes and LS1's their lunch at the stop light and street driveability is not a concern.

If you search really hard you will find a thread about 3 years old where another guy bought a cam from jay and a cam from ed and ran each one with the same combo. I believe Jay's made a few more HP on the dyno but Ed's was faster in the 1/4, maybe vice versa.

Either way both guys will make you faster. Both guys are geniuses when it comes to camshafts and speed. I would deal with Ed again in a heartbeat but you could email both guys and let the feedback you get from each of them be the decision for whom you will deal with. I have a feeling this thread could get out of hand if I keep typing. Sorry for the length. PM me if you want the details on my Good and Bad experiences

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Thanks for the info cerecke.....

I'll do some emailin' and callin' around.. surely with the economy the way it is, it won't be too hard for me to find a cam guy that would take my money.

I wish I could spin more rpm's out of it... Right now, I shift @ 5,700 and it's on the edge of hangin out it's tongue...

I don't know what rpm's these heads are done at in stock form but I refuse to pull them off the block...

I'm having a blast right now... run 11.90's, 22-24mpg, pull the wheels, drive to the track and home, and the car is super quiet with the dynomax cat-back.

No stickers on the car, stock body panels, no tinted windows.. Shoot, when the pony wheels are on it, it looks like a stocker.....

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nice numbers..any more info like suspension? wieght? gears? Any stock mass air meter?

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I would keep the stock cam. It sounds like you have a perfect combo!!! Congrats on the great times!

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Strange struts, strange shocks, hpm megabyte lowers, steeda adj. uppers, airbag in the right rear, k-member and a-arms, and coil overs, poly bushings throughout....

4.10's and it weighs 3,125 lbs. I run a stock 2001 Ford Lightning mass air meter...

I may very well keep the stock cam. I wish there was something I could do that was roughly inexpensive and get the car to run 11.90's consistently...

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awesome times for the combo man!!
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Good runs, what kind of compression are you running?


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Thanks for the congrats!

I think the DA was 600-800 ft.... or so I was told...

In 2400-2600 ft. of air, my best is 12.03.....

So, almost 2,000 ft of air change got me .11 in ET...

Compression is stock... well, stock 99' Mountaineer...
I'm assuming 9.25... The heads have never been pulled
so it's stock to the best of my knowledge...

I'm kind of curious why my mph isn't any higher than it is....

1- 112mph

2- 111mph

I was hoping to see 113 in good air...

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Youre trap speed and ET is right inline if you follow the 1335 formula for the "ideal" 1/4

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Great times! Congrats!

I just got my P combo in the 11's for the first time yesterday! Went 11.97 @ 111. I'm running stock cam as well. Just wish I can 60' like you. I'm usually in the mid 1.6's but managed a 1.63 for the 11 second pass. I has a lot to do with the track though. My local track doesn't like to prep the track to often.

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The list of fast GT40 cars keeps growing and growing. We had 2 guys yesterday with GT40s and stock cams go 11s (btw congrats again Ken) and a few low low 12s.

Its us E7 guys that have the real crutch to get around...


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I'm hoping for 11.89 in better air...

I'm gonna launch a little harder and start playing around with my shift point...

What rpm do you guys shift at?

I'm also going to start playin' around with my fuel... I think it needs to be leaned out a little bit...

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I'm hoping for 11.89 in better air...

I'm gonna launch a little harder and start playing around with my shift point...

What rpm do you guys shift at?

I'm also going to start playin' around with my fuel... I think it needs to be leaned out a little bit...
I launch at 5500 & shift at 57-5800.

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Geez , maybe I should've paid more attention to the tach + 1200 I miss the 2 step

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Got to see this car on the dyno and go for a ride in it....very impressive and super clean. Thanks Curt!

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Got to see this car on the dyno and go for a ride in it....very impressive and super clean. Thanks Curt!
Thanks bro! It's pretty cool... I learned quite a bit today.... The car feels stronger up top... Used to be when the shift light was coming on, the car would feel like it was about to gag... Now, it's like it wants more rpm's...

We'll see what happens.. The hp used to fall off like a cliff around 5,900 prior to today and now it's not doing it til' 6,100....

Viva la beehives! and there's something to be said about the new dyno guy....

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I'm hoping for 11.89 in better air...

I'm gonna launch a little harder and start playing around with my shift point...

What rpm do you guys shift at?

I'm also going to start playin' around with my fuel... I think it needs to be leaned out a little bit...
Launch at 5600 or 5800 on 26" tire (26x10.5 ET street and 26x9 slick) and shift at just a shade under 6K. 60' is usually 1.60-1.63, best of 1.59.

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Launch at 5600 or 5800 on 26" tire (26x10.5 ET street and 26x9 slick) and shift at just a shade under 6K. 60' is usually 1.60-1.63, best of 1.59.
I've pulled some decent sixty foots... but I've been 1.56 on a really prepped track... around here, if I try to launch above 5,200/5,300, my sixty starts to slip away... I should probably ditch these 26 x 8.5" tires and get some 26 x 10's...

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somebody check his back seat for nitrous na just kidding but serious you should add 100 shot an go for high 10s .i hope my set up over time does as well seeing ive got done up p-heads,rpm intake,custom cam.keep up the good work for all the non believers

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somebody check his back seat for nitrous na just kidding but serious you should add 100 shot an go for high 10s .i hope my set up over time does as well seeing ive got done up p-heads,rpm intake,custom cam.keep up the good work for all the non believers
Thanks! I'm gonna try to go faster the next time out...

I was on the dyno this past Tuesday...

From the 1st pull to the last pull, I only picked up 3.5hp
but instead of my power falling off like a cliff at 5,800-5,850,
it doesn't do it til' 6,100 now..

My shift light has been at 5,700 and I was playing around on the
way back home from the dyno with the light still set at 5,700 and
the car felt like it was beggin' for more rpm's...

I'm hoping I can set the light around 5,900-6,000 and see a substantial
gain in ET... I'm gonna raise it 100 rpm's at a time til it slows down...

90' lx coupe, 99' mountaineer 302, 5 speed, stock cam, N/A...
Best to date: 11.80 @ 113.63mph w/ 1.55 60'
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Thanks! I'm gonna try to go faster the next time out...

I was on the dyno this past Tuesday...

From the 1st pull to the last pull, I only picked up 3.5hp
but instead of my power falling off like a cliff at 5,800-5,850,
it doesn't do it til' 6,100 now..

My shift light has been at 5,700 and I was playing around on the
way back home from the dyno with the light still set at 5,700 and
the car felt like it was beggin' for more rpm's...

I'm hoping I can set the light around 5,900-6,000 and see a substantial
gain in ET... I'm gonna raise it 100 rpm's at a time til it slows down...
Keep us updated! Curious to see how much rpm it takes!

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