When to the track again, new best BUT problems - Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 25 Old 08-23-2008, 12:43 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
When to the track again, new best BUT problems

I went to the track again and did a little testing. I did a couple 1/8 mile passes as I have no cage and didn't want to get kicked off as I have no cage. Then did a full pass at the end of the night.

First pass the brakes didn't hold when I put it up on the two step at 3000 rpm.

Second pass: I drop the two step down to 2700 rpm, put timing up to 16 base, full exhaust. I got a new best 60' of a 1.628 with a 7.091 @ 98.79 1/8th.

3rd pass: two step at 2700, timing at 18 base, opened up dumps (last one as there was a lot of oil downs (last car down the track for the night)) I got a new best 1/4. I spun out of the hole and got it a little sideways (the pass before the guy put brake fluid all over the track and because it was the end of the night they didn't bother to drag the track or re-glue it) but I still got a 1.746 60' and a 11.13 at 123 mph.

Here is the problem thou, I was on the rev limiter (6000) at the 1000' mark in drive the rest of the way down the track, I'm thinking I would have ran a 10.8 to 10.9 at around a 127 if this didn't happen.

So what do you guys think is the problem, I think the convertor is ok as the 1/8th pass was OK, I'm wondering if the trans is slipping really bad in 3rd??

Car sure likes the timing, last time at the track the best MPH was 119 with only 12 base.

For an added bonus for the night I shreaded the blower belt on the way home, lucky I had a spare. tore up a bunch of wires for the fan controler and meth kit. I had to jump the fan with a wire to keep it on.


88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 25 Old 08-23-2008, 12:49 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Oh, data logged my AFR, I'd say its perfect. 11.4 to 11.8 the whole pass.


88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #3 of 25 Old 08-24-2008, 02:21 AM
Registered User
 
sukkoi18's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (23)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Quad Cities IL/IA
Posts: 2,740
With only 18* total I would unhook your Meth and see what it does. Otherwise I think you can probably easily get away with another 4-5 degrees total.

Also you should probably raise the rev-limiter, chipping through the 1000' is for bracket cars.

~Performance White 2013 GT M6
sukkoi18 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 25 Old 08-24-2008, 08:53 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by sukkoi18 View Post
With only 18* total I would unhook your Meth and see what it does. Otherwise I think you can probably easily get away with another 4-5 degrees total.

Also you should probably raise the rev-limiter, chipping through the 1000' is for bracket cars.
The 18 degees is my base timing, if it still adds the 16 from the computer I'm at 34 total! But I'm not sure what the chip is doing, it may not be added in the whole 16? I should be able to go 128 mph at 6000 with 10% convertor slip so I think something is up.

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #5 of 25 Old 08-24-2008, 01:08 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Albert Lea, MN USA
Posts: 410
Glad to see things are starting to come around! Take your time and don't hurt anything. 34* is alot of timing...I hope you are checking your plugs after every run for detonation.

More than likely it is the converter and not the transmission. How much rpm drop are you getting on the 2-3 shift? Is there any flair on the 2-3 shift? If you are slipping the 3rd gear clutches/band that much I wouldn't think they would last long and your tranny fluid should be dark and burnt smelling. A converter could work perfect in 1st and 2nd and still be drove through in 3rd, there just isn't enough load on the converter in 1st or 2nd for it to show. Keep in mind that converter efficiency will go up as rpm goes up. Raising your rev-limit from 6000 to 6200 may give a disproportionately greater amount of rpm before you are back on the rev-limiter. Depending on what fluid you are using now, switching to a slightly thicker fluid will make the converter lock up more on the big-end. Do the tranny temps go up quite a bit after a run?


Troy

79' pace car, blow-threw jytt,stock 302, c4.
10.66 at 126.5
79Sleeper is offline  
post #6 of 25 Old 08-24-2008, 04:46 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Well as luck would have it I screw up my RPM wire for data logging just before I went to the track so no logged rpm's so I'm not sure how much it drops. Not sure how much flair either but I don't notice anything, seems solid. I only have stock rods that have been polished and shot pened so I don't think I really want to spin it more then 6000 rpm, thats where it seem is the cut off for those rods. May try it thou as I'd like to build a stroker anyway.
I never did check the plugs either but good point, I should be. On my way home yesterday I ran out of meth, I then heard some detonation, with my luck there goes a head gasket again, I'm afraid to check it..... LOL

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #7 of 25 Old 08-25-2008, 08:15 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
With my setup it works out to 15% conveter slip or I guess overall slip in the system.
That seems way high. I need to figure this out.

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #8 of 25 Old 08-25-2008, 10:29 AM
Registered User
 
ratedz's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,052
What size tires?

Might want to consider dropping that gearing down again - 3.31 or 3.27 you probably make a ton of torque and don't need all of that gear anyhow.

Are you blowing thru the converter?

1986 Mustang GT
306 E303, TEA 185 TW, Quicktime Turbo 67mm, Redneck C4 15lbs boost
525hp/626tq
*Sold drivetrain - Rolling Chassis may be available*
ratedz is offline  
post #9 of 25 Old 08-25-2008, 08:01 PM
Registered User
 
sukkoi18's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (23)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Quad Cities IL/IA
Posts: 2,740
Quote:
Originally Posted by Len Schmidt View Post
The 18 degees is my base timing, if it still adds the 16 from the computer I'm at 34 total! But I'm not sure what the chip is doing, it may not be added in the whole 16? I should be able to go 128 mph at 6000 with 10% convertor slip so I think something is up.
Thats a strange system you have there with a chip tune. Usually they have youset the initial to 10* and then add from there. My guess is your total timing is around 24-26*. You shoudl be able to contact your tuner and have him pull the file up and tell you. It would be nice to know so you set yourself some parameters when adding or removing timing.

~Performance White 2013 GT M6
sukkoi18 is offline  
post #10 of 25 Old 08-25-2008, 11:31 PM
Registered User
 
Nutzz's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (39)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: TN
Posts: 5,933
Nice runs! This I take it is a blower car! Sounds like if u take ur shift up to around 6500 you would run 10s. My conveter flares a little. good luck


TOO_NUTS Racing
N/A- Pump Gas- 408 Clevor - [email protected]
Best 60ft on stock type suspension 1.28
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
UPR UCA/ Megabyte lowers/ stock anti roll bar. No battle boxes!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Nutzz is offline  
post #11 of 25 Old 08-26-2008, 12:10 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratedz View Post
What size tires?

Might want to consider dropping that gearing down again - 3.31 or 3.27 you probably make a ton of torque and don't need all of that gear anyhow.

Are you blowing thru the converter?
28" tire

Not sure on the convertor, sure wish I had not screwed up my RPM wire for the data logger.

Maybe I should put my stock 2.73's back in?

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #12 of 25 Old 08-26-2008, 12:20 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by sukkoi18 View Post
Thats a strange system you have there with a chip tune. Usually they have youset the initial to 10* and then add from there. My guess is your total timing is around 24-26*. You shoudl be able to contact your tuner and have him pull the file up and tell you. It would be nice to know so you set yourself some parameters when adding or removing timing.
They had me/they set the base at 10 degrees and I think 24 on the meth total and 22 without it (or its 26 and 24), so looks like it adds 14, so I'm now at 32 total (or 34).

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #13 of 25 Old 08-26-2008, 12:25 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutzz View Post
Nice runs! This I take it is a blower car! Sounds like if u take ur shift up to around 6500 you would run 10s. My conveter flares a little. good luck
Nutzz, how's it going, long time no talk.
I'm pretty sure I'd easier had a ten that pass except all the spinning as the 60' was off .15 from the pass before. I'm a little afraid to spin it up more then 6000 because of the rods.
Len

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #14 of 25 Old 08-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Registered User
 
sukkoi18's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (23)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Quad Cities IL/IA
Posts: 2,740
Even with with methanol injection 32-34* of total timing on a blower car seems excessive. If the motor is actually running that much timing and staying together it should make unreal power. Somethings not right with the timing if your at 18* initial and the chip spins out 14*. Either that or the tuner has the IAT sensor set to pull tons of timing at the top.

~Performance White 2013 GT M6
sukkoi18 is offline  
post #15 of 25 Old 08-26-2008, 04:07 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Albert Lea, MN USA
Posts: 410
3.27's or 2.73's are going to load the converter more and make your slip %'s higher. The difference between 6000 and 6200 probably isn't going to do anything to your rods, but could keep you off the rev limiter. I have not had a problem spinning my stock 302 rods (with arp bolts) to 6400-6500, fwiw.


Troy

79' pace car, blow-threw jytt,stock 302, c4.
10.66 at 126.5
79Sleeper is offline  
post #16 of 25 Old 08-27-2008, 08:19 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by 79Sleeper View Post
3.27's or 2.73's are going to load the converter more and make your slip %'s higher. The difference between 6000 and 6200 probably isn't going to do anything to your rods, but could keep you off the rev limiter. I have not had a problem spinning my stock 302 rods (with arp bolts) to 6400-6500, fwiw.


Troy
Ya but your rods are forged, mine are not.....

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #17 of 25 Old 08-27-2008, 08:20 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by sukkoi18 View Post
Even with with methanol injection 32-34* of total timing on a blower car seems excessive. If the motor is actually running that much timing and staying together it should make unreal power. Somethings not right with the timing if your at 18* initial and the chip spins out 14*. Either that or the tuner has the IAT sensor set to pull tons of timing at the top.
Ya I'm going to check to make sure my pointer is in the correct postion, this engine has always liked a lot of timing thou.

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #18 of 25 Old 08-29-2008, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Some video of the passes.

https://forums.corral.net/forums/show...19#post8064219

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #19 of 25 Old 09-16-2008, 12:47 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
So I looked at my blower pulley as I never was able to get 16 psi more (plus it cut up 2 belts) then once, it has/had points on the top of the "V" groves, I'm unsure what boost level I was at on these passes. I've now corrected the pulley by spinning it up in the lathe so it now will ride on the sides of the V not the points, I'm going to put it back together tonight. I'm thinking I may see 20 psi??? Also think I'll hit a mid 10 in the quarter. I find out tonight on the amout of psi I'm going to see.
Len

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #20 of 25 Old 09-16-2008, 05:14 PM
Registered User
 
sukkoi18's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (23)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Quad Cities IL/IA
Posts: 2,740
What was your pulley combo again? Based on your boost level I was thinking 8.00/3.00 or 3.15. That combo should easily go bottom 10 high 9 with a 134-138 mph trap.

~Performance White 2013 GT M6
sukkoi18 is offline  
post #21 of 25 Old 09-17-2008, 02:27 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by sukkoi18 View Post
What was your pulley combo again? Based on your boost level I was thinking 8.00/3.00 or 3.15. That combo should easily go bottom 10 high 9 with a 134-138 mph trap.
I wish....

Its a 8.0, 2.69 (was 2.75 but after I removed the points it got smaller). I tested it out last night and I'm still only seeing 15 psi, I'm thinking its one of two things or maybe both. 1 the air filter is too small and it won't pass enough air, and or 2 my by-pass valve is not letting it go above 15?

What do you think?

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #22 of 25 Old 09-18-2008, 12:08 PM
Registered User
 
sukkoi18's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (23)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Quad Cities IL/IA
Posts: 2,740
On our car we run a T-trim with an 8.0/2.95 combo. Its a 327 being spun to about 6400 RPM on the dyno. It made 19.8# of boost at that RPM. At the track we usually shift it 7000 RPM and it makes 21-23#s no problem.

My guess is that you are experiencing some belt slip. I would try a bigger pulley. Do you have any sort of brace on the blower brackets? Is it the upgraded Renegade style bracket or just the 3/8" steel Vortech piece? If no brace and stock bracket I am sure you are having bracket flex and need to either upgrade the mounting plate or get a brace or both.

On the afor mentioned car we have a custom 1/2" mounting plate with an HPM header to blower brace and a Kurgan crank mounted brace.

~Performance White 2013 GT M6
sukkoi18 is offline  
post #23 of 25 Old 09-19-2008, 09:32 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by sukkoi18 View Post
On our car we run a T-trim with an 8.0/2.95 combo. Its a 327 being spun to about 6400 RPM on the dyno. It made 19.8# of boost at that RPM. At the track we usually shift it 7000 RPM and it makes 21-23#s no problem.

My guess is that you are experiencing some belt slip. I would try a bigger pulley. Do you have any sort of brace on the blower brackets? Is it the upgraded Renegade style bracket or just the 3/8" steel Vortech piece? If no brace and stock bracket I am sure you are having bracket flex and need to either upgrade the mounting plate or get a brace or both.

On the afor mentioned car we have a custom 1/2" mounting plate with an HPM header to blower brace and a Kurgan crank mounted brace.
I just have the stock plate, I can make a thicker one, I can also make a new head to blower bracket, think I'll do it in stainless 1.4848 it won't flex then. My test last night with the belt having 110 ft/lbs. torque on it showed 17 psi until the belt shredded.....

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup

Last edited by Len Schmidt; 09-21-2008 at 03:03 PM.
Len Schmidt is offline  
post #24 of 25 Old 09-21-2008, 07:52 AM
Registered User
 
sukkoi18's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (23)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Quad Cities IL/IA
Posts: 2,740
Hmmm, do you have one of those RR pullies on it or something? We usually just stretch the things out rather than kill them.

~Performance White 2013 GT M6
sukkoi18 is offline  
post #25 of 25 Old 09-21-2008, 03:06 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Len Schmidt's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Wingham,On.Canada
Posts: 2,481
Quote:
Originally Posted by sukkoi18 View Post
Hmmm, do you have one of those RR pullies on it or something? We usually just stretch the things out rather than kill them.
Not sure what you mean about "RR pulley", it came with the blower, it had points on the top so I turned them off, shredded a couple bolts before I did that, thought I had it fixed but....

88 LX, 69 410W , AFR ??/70mm T.B., FTI cam, 3.55's, BBK 1 3/4" L.T, Edel 351W Victor intake, ???mm maf, 60 lbs. injectors,MSD, chipped Vortech T trim making 16 psi, MAFtuner, PA AOD - Lentech VB-5000 non-lockup, Mr. Freeze.
Old best 1/4-11.056 @ 123.62 mph Spinning real bad! Old setup

Last edited by Len Schmidt; 12-06-2008 at 04:28 PM.
Len Schmidt is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome