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4.30s or 4.10s?

i know every set up is different and things can change with mod swaps but im asking for opinions or experiences, 4.10s or 4.30s? The car is an 88 GT T5will have: underdrive pulleys, long tubes with dumps, no a/c, ps, or smog, battery relocated to trunk, GT40Ps matched to a 1262, GT40P intake, solid motor mounts. No interior except for dash and console, the tires will be skinnies in the front and MT ET Street radials 275/50/15(26 inch tires) on a 15x8. The car will sport a mini spool and i will be replacing all the differential bearings. I am just wondering if the 4.30s will put me out of my power band quickly or will it be manageable on the street and strip. She'll probably see some street but no long trips and the occassional 1320 blasts. I will more than likely spray the car but not anytime soon. It is a speed density car but will probably run a tfs 1 cam with mass air conversion in the distant future. Please give me your opinions and explain. thanks for the help, Sam.

p.s. i am sorry for all the reading, just want to be thorough the first time around.


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forgot to mention i tired searching but it kept showing everyone's setup or for sale/wtb. thanks.


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Well from experience, we now run 4.30's. I run NMRA Factory Stock, I had P-heads on the car, now have regulat 40's w/cobra intake. comp cam with .480 lift. (max the rules allow). 310ci, long tubes, on a radial, TKOII with 5th removed. 70mm TB, 80mm mass air, anderson power pipe, 30lb injectors. Hope this helps, alot of it will depend on when you get on the track and see what your comiong through at.

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I have a simillar set up as you with 4.10's and i kinda wish i had .30's or even .56's. the car feels almost like driving a stock (geared) car around town, no highway driving for me though, gotta stock '03 for that.
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i have been debating for a while. i would love to go radical with this car and i think 4.30s are the way to go. i appreciate all your help and just like you mentioned john, it will depend on track time and then decide from there. thanks again, sam.

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If it is going to be mainly a track car and stay N/A I would go with the 4.30's. If you are going to spray it maybe the 4.10's.

Hey John, why the switch from P's to regular GT40's? Just curious becuase I have a budget F/S car and I went with the P heads. If you don't want to divulge over the internet you can PM me if you want.

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We found that the regular GT40's flowed alittle better, and also more widely available exhaust for the regular 40's. With our f/s rules you cant have custom exhaust, so you only have shorty headers for P-heads. So will you be racing Factory Stock with us?

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how do you all run such wonderful times? weight reduction? any secrets us regular "joes" can know?

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We found that the regular GT40's flowed alittle better, and also more widely available exhaust for the regular 40's. With our f/s rules you cant have custom exhaust, so you only have shorty headers for P-heads. So will you be racing Factory Stock with us?
Yeah I am stuck with the shorty headers! Probably won't be racing any NMRA events. I built the motor a few years ago and was racing a local F/S circut with the hopes of making 1 or 2 NMRA races but that didn't happen...too much $$$! The short blocks in your cars are probably double what I have into my whole motor! Now with a 2 year old, house and another on the way so just local stuff for me! Maybe someday! Still trying to get into the 11's with the same cam that it rolled off the assembly line with! I'm stubborn! Just make sure you guys keep giving me some good reading on stangcrazy! I don't chime in over there............I'm not a racer in that series so I keep my mouth shut!

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how do you all run such wonderful times? weight reduction? any secrets us regular "joes" can know?

Sorry for hi-jacking your thread!

I'ts about the whole combination and lots of seat time! Plus light weight internals & shaved heads help too! My car still weighs 3200 with me in it! I can definetly afford to lose 100-200lbs.

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On the spray a 4.10 is probably the most gear you will want as it will probably see over 62-6300 RPMs at the traps. If you stay all motor you need the 4.30s. I am switching to a 4.30 from a 4.10.

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My car will run the same in any air. And yes there is "alittle" bit o money in my block..lol, I didnt get screwed in NJ, it helps me out..hahahahaanyways if you have anymore questions just ask

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My car will run the same in any air.
Go up to Colorado and run or come to Phoenix when its 100 out at night.....

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It probably would, when we were in georgia and it was 90 something with 80% humidity it ran its best ever. My engine just stays the same, which is bad in a wa y cuz when we went to tune it, nothing changed. When we had a D/A of 3400ft it still went low 40's.

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I find that hard to believe even Pro Stock and TF cars run different when its hot or the DA is high.

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Im just saying either 60 degree air or 90 degree air the car still runs good. Thats all, not saying you guys are wrong about it, cuz I know good air will help the car run better.

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Im just saying either 60 degree air or 90 degree air the car still runs good. Thats all, not saying you guys are wrong about it, cuz I know good air will help the car run better.
So your not saying it runs the exact same times, just stays consistent all weekend. I am with you now!

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My car will run the same in any air. And yes there is "alittle" bit o money in my block..lol, I didnt get screwed in NJ, it helps me out..hahahahaanyways if you have anymore questions just ask

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Well from experience, we now run 4.30's. I run NMRA Factory Stock, I had P-heads on the car, now have regulat 40's w/cobra intake. comp cam with .480 lift. (max the rules allow). 310ci, long tubes, on a radial, TKOII with 5th removed. 70mm TB, 80mm mass air, anderson power pipe, 30lb injectors. Hope this helps, alot of it will depend on when you get on the track and see what your comiong through at.
Gotta ask, why such big injectors in that "basic" of a combo ?

Seems like alot of injector for a stock cam, 1.5 rockers, unported Cobra intake and GT40's ?

Whats the secret here ?

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Gotta ask, why such big injectors in that "basic" of a combo ?

Seems like alot of injector for a stock cam, 1.5 rockers, unported Cobra intake and GT40's ?

Whats the secret here ?
I run 30's also. Our engines are real efficent. If I told you the fuel pressure I ran you would be like WHOA! But my A/F's are perfect. I'm running E7's

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Gotta ask, why such big injectors in that "basic" of a combo ?

Seems like alot of injector for a stock cam, 1.5 rockers, unported Cobra intake and GT40's ?

Whats the secret here ?
30's here as well! I could probably get away with 24's but they would be close to being maxed out.

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Sp you guys are are making over 400hp with stock heads, cam and Cobra Intake ?

These gotta gotta be on the brink of dying and freshend up every couple races..lol

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Sp you guys are are making over 400hp with stock heads, cam and Cobra Intake ?

These gotta gotta be on the brink of dying and freshend up every couple races..lol
Not me that's for sure!!! Only about 300 to the wheels and it's been together for over 3 years with probably close to 200 passes & more to come! But i'm sure a couple of guys who posted in this thread have over 400hp at the crank! But your not going to get them to share any hp #'s on the internet!

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But i'm sure a couple of guys who posted in this thread have over 400hp at the crank! But your not going to get them to share any hp #'s on the internet!
Where could there really be 400hp hidden in a stock gt40 or E7 combo ?

Not sure in what the harm is saying what numbers they got ?

They just cant say how they them....

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i think everyone is dying to know the secrets to factory stock crazy horsepower!!!

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400hp?!!!! I WISH....we make about 50 less than that. The top cars in our class have great 60fts on drag radials. Avg. about mid to low 1.5's. We have ran the best 60ft with a 1.51. And Im sure Tommy will tell you, which I know they have, testing is the key to everything. JPC, if you look at their program, is way ahead of the game, they have their stuff together. Its all about getting the right parts, engine builder, and lots of testing, and alittle driver skill thrown in there.

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Not sure what the flywheel hp is. We probably lose about 10% thru the drivetrain. I know when we put our current engine in my new car it made 350rwhp. There are a lot of tricks and secrets to our program not all pretaining to the engine. If you want the secrets you just have to come up with about 15-20K for a complete engine intake to oil pan. And this is entry level heads up. lol. Imagine what we could run if we could put a K member and race brakes in the car. 10's all day on BFG's.

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Not sure what the flywheel hp is. We probably lose about 10% thru the drivetrain. I know when we put our current engine in my new car it made 350rwhp. There are a lot of tricks and secrets to our program not all pretaining to the engine. If you want the secrets you just have to come up with about 15-20K for a complete engine intake to oil pan. And this is entry level heads up. lol. Imagine what we could run if we could put a K member and race brakes in the car. 10's all day on BFG's.
Yeah my 5k motor just won't cut it! I need to work on the suspension. I 60' in the 1.65 range with 26x8.5" slicks. So I'm only about 50rwhp less than you guys! I'll just put a 75 shot on it and come run with you guys......NMRA wouldn't mind would they!!!!

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With a 1:1 tranny ratio the difference between 4.10 and 4.30 is 131 rpms. So if you have enough rpm left on the top end then I'd go with 4.30's. -Mark

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well back on topic ::clears throat:: just kidding guys i love being introduced into the FS world and Tommy i just saw your car in the MM&FF mag., car looks good and those are some great times.

i think i might just go with 4.10s, the car will stay N/a for a while but i want a power adder so i can plan ahead. thanks guys and keep it all coming.

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well back on topic ::clears throat:: just kidding guys i love being introduced into the FS world and Tommy i just saw your car in the MM&FF mag., car looks good and those are some great times.

i think i might just go with 4.10s, the car will stay N/a for a while but i want a power adder so i can plan ahead. thanks guys and keep it all coming.

Dude shuush, the FS guys were about to spill their secrets.

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i too second some secrets... come on guys help us out

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