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First time out but not so fast

but hell it was fun

Well I took my new "project" car out for the 1st time at the track today.

THe car is .....may seem overkill and slow but it is definetly me as the driver that is slow.

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1st pass:
react- .159
60- 2.301
1/8th-9.074
mph- 82.663
1/4- 13.74
mph-100.542

rear tire pres -32psi

Driven-clutch slipping (launch kinda awkward), tires were slipping until I got out of second, I think I even got out of the gas before the 1320

Damn thing is scarry to drive. NO front sway bar and full drag coil over set up withsoft springs. Way different than my old 03 cobra. Cobra felt like a Luxury car compared to this beast.

2nd pass (7min after the first).

react-.678
60- 2.449
1/8-9.374
mph- 82.953
1/4- 13.993
mph-102.307

Rear tire pres- same 32 psi

Driven - launched at 3000-3500 and floored it. Blew tires at 1st and 2nd. I think it went slower also because of how hot the motor was.

3rd pass (45 min break)

react-.177
60-2.189
1/8th- 8.624
mph-84.659
1/4-13.12
mph-106.925

Rear tire pres- 22psi

Driven- launched 3000-3500 softer. Car didn't spin tires as bad but still felt like the rear end was still slidding left after 2nd. Shifted great and floored it the whole way.

Only 3 runs for this newbie. Conclusions- TKO600 doesn't shift as good as a T56. Lighter car and big power is hard to control. GOT TO LEARN HOW TO LAUNCH & DRIVE THIS THING.

Car dynoed at 464whp with 15# and 15deg timing supper conservative tune. I actually think this car is running too rich. I was running the car @ 11-13# of boost at the track (Didn't want to screw the motor since I was just learnig to drive this).

On the 3rd pass I went against another notch that had 100p less, supercharged running 8psi, with 3.90 gears, and slicks. He went 12.209 @113.815.

I will update on my next trip to he track


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Umm yeah I would say you've got another 2 and a quarter seconds and 20 mph left to go.


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My dear lord...... put a 4 cylinder in it....probably be faster


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Hmmm....How are you tuning it? Your power seems to be way down from what it should be and also you MPH is comparable with n/a 302. Are you sure you don't have boost leaks and what is you AFR? What RPM does it spool up and are you losing all your boost when you shift it? I'm not trying to dog your car just curious what the problem is.....
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Umm yeah I would say you've got another 2 and a quarter seconds and 20 mph left to go.
I wish but I don't think it could do it with those 3.08's

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My dear lord...... put a 4 cylinder in it....probably be faster
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Hmmm....How are you tuning it? Your power seems to be way down from what it should be and also you MPH is comparable with n/a 302. Are you sure you don't have boost leaks and what is you AFR? What RPM does it spool up and are you losing all your boost when you shift it? I'm not trying to dog your car just curious what the problem is.....
I know it is down on the power. I really don't know why. A/F is at 11.2-11.5. It was tuned with a chip a long time ago. I am taking it to another tuner next month.

How can you tell if you have a boost leak? The boost actually spikes a pound or two due to my manual controller. I cant set it exaclly at 10.

What do you mean by loosing all the boost when shifting?


No offense taken on any comments. I actualy want more ideas on how to drive the car correctly.

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How much boost are you running?

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He said he was letting out of it before the traps which would severly affect his mph. I would say that and the combination of horrid 60' is what is killing the mph the most.

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How much boost are you running?
I set it to 10 but it would spike to around 12psi.

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The car should be running 100mph in the 1/8mi not the 1/4mi. You def. have something going on.

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He said he was letting out of it before the traps which would severly affect his mph. I would say that and the combination of horrid 60' is what is killing the mph the most.
He said he had it floored all the way on the third run....and even with a poor 60ft it should still run a decent MPH. There's definetly something wrong....Do you have a dyno chart you can post up?

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With 17's you have to Ease into it. You're killin yourself at the 60'

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He said he had it floored all the way on the third run....and even with a poor 60ft it should still run a decent MPH. There's definetly something wrong....Do you have a dyno chart you can post up?
Here is a chart when it was running 17.5#'s


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Get rid of the 3:08's.

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mmm...i went from a 12.56 first pass to a 11.44 (few weeks later) changed only the jetting in the carb..so driving is a big part of it

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Yes I totally agree with you. If I can shave .6 off my time in driving the car for the first time. I bet I can shave some more.

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He said it was scary to drive. Wait till he gets it sorted out.....
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If it makes you feel any better, I couldn't get my nitto 275/40 17's to hook for me on the weekend either. First time out with the combo and I could spin them at a twitch of the right foot. I did trap 93mph in the 1/8th mile but not being able to open it up until 3rd gear killed a lot of trap speed.
Best thing to do is get out to a test and tune and get some seat time. With the stickshift, a true slick is still the best option for good dragstrip performance. After this weekend, I'll be out with the 26x10 drags.

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Nitto's are not going to cut it. It should still tun a lot more mph. Mine ran 98 in the 1/8 first time out on 10 lbs. Same turbo but carbed 351 in a 67. I don't think the 3.08 gears are hurting it at all. My car will smoke the street tires in second from 15 mph with a 3.08 gear and C4. Turbos make plenty torque.

Do you have a WBO2? Could turning down the boost have killed the tune? If you left the timing at 15 and lowered the boost it will kill a lot of power. I ran mine at 21* on pump with no cooler.

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Subscribing: I was just at the track and similar thing. My car should trap 130-135 but was only seeing 119. Could be the weather throwing off the tune. It was 95 degrees outside with 90% humidity. Florida Heat Sucks.

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Karl got any pics/site about your car? looks pretty bitchen.

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I need to get the new pics of the Supercharger setup. But for the most part here is the body...

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When is your next plan to go to the track? I would say put a 15" slick on it, your torque is just like mine. Right off the bat the torque jumps way up, it will really take a good tire to handle that.

Check all of the inlet pipeing and hoses including the upper to lower manifold gasket

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UPDATE UPDATE

Well here is the latest info on the car and how I am doing on the drag strip.

Car: Had it retuned. I was getting sick of driving it on "open loop/race only mode". On the dyno sheet I had posted it was running 17.5#'s now I am running 12.5# and I am making more power Drivability is 1000% better. It is a lot smoother, It runs like a stock car when not in boost.

I also adjusted the rear coil over abit since the rear end wanted to go left all the time. I raised the right side and it feels more nuetral.

Had a chance to go on a track rental event today. We had the track for 6 hours...sweet.

I ran 4 times where my first was the fastest and my third was the slowest. Slowest meaning I went high 14's going 60+ mph. Ha Ha!!!! Went half way down the track and big raindrops started hitting my wind shield. DAMN!!

Here's how it goes without the 3rd pass:


1st:

60' - 2.129
1/8 - 8.143
mph - 94.257
1/4 - 12.226
mph - 117.398

tire pres- 22psi

2nd:

60' -2.163
1/8 - 8.195
mph- 92.011
1/4- 12.482
mph- 101.144 ????

tire pres- 20psi

4th:

60'- 2.173
1/8'- 8.478
mph- 86.669
1/4- 12.73
mph- 112.826

tire pres- 18psi


Well I am happier than ever. second time out with the car and I nearly shave 1 sec of the time. As you can see I was still playing around with the air pres on the tires. I am safe to assume that it likes to be at 22psi. I am still blowing the tires away on first and sometimes on second. Almost seems like I am racing on the street. Going down on tires pres made it worse. When boost comes in, 1st gear is useless. I was plannning to launch in second but I was affraid I would stall (dumb idea anyway).

On the next time out (another month), I will only run 22psi in the tires and focus on the driving part of things. I really want to see how fast I can go with Nittos 17" DR's and 3.08's with a 5 speed. I know i'll get alot of crap for the Nittos and the 3.08's but heck theres a guy on here going 8's with 17" Mickeys. He's probably making 1000+hp and is a 1000X's better at driving but heck he got his goal. I will be setting my goal @ 11.50's (don't laugh) for this summer.

Oh yeah, due to me running 13" rear brakes I can't run 15" slicks.

Sorry for the long book I wrote. I will update next time out.

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Good job..Trust me practice practice and then practice some more. Change ur gears brother! 373/355 would help alot.

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Car: Had it retuned. I was getting sick of driving it on "open loop/race only mode". On the dyno sheet I had posted it was running 17.5#'s now I am running 12.5# and I am making more power....


Oh yeah, due to me running 13" rear brakes I can't run 15" slicks.
When you retuned it, what did it make on the first pull? Was it off from the original pull?

I’m curious to see if it fell off, and what was the culprit?

I’m running cobra rear brakes which are 11.65 and they can clear Bogart 15 inch wheels. Are your rears really 13s? Might possibly be mistaken for the front cobras, which are 13s?

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No Baer makes a 13" rear kit for the typical GT calipers.

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I don't really know what happened???? The car had no O2's or anything. Now I have O2's and a different MAF (abbaco).

@12.5#'s it made 564rwhp.

Yes I do have 13" baer brakes on the rear.

Thinking about the race, I kinda figured out my mistake. When the boost kicks in whick is really early. the tires just go to crap.

I have 2 solutions:

a. lauch at idle and only do half throttle on 1st gear.

or

b. Get a boost controller where I can turn it on after 1st. This would make me lauch at a very low boost setting.

what do you guys think.

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17's have no sidewal, the tire size isn't helpin gyou.. niether are the 308's.. up it to at LEAST 373's..

But you seem to be getting the hng of it.. practice, practice, practice!

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Your RWHP is really strong! 564 is definately a 10 second pass. I ran into the same problem you did at the track, tires were just blowing loose. I even part throttled it in first. I ran about the same mph as you too: 119-120. I was really pissed because I was hoping for 135+.

I don't understand it though. If your wheels spin your mph theoretically should still stay the same, unless you are off the throttle at some point. Congrats on a better time, hopefully it will improve more and more with practice, but I still think your car should trap over 130mph.

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Congrats on the better times, I dropped from a 14.0 to a 12.58 with tuning and some slicks. Change out that awful 3.08 gear and get some 15" stickies and you will run much better.

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With the turbo the gear is not hurting him.
They like to be loaded. All the turbo stuff around here has 3.08 to 3.27 gear.

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Well, I gave in and bought some MT DR's. It is still 17's.

From what I have heard these way better than nitto's.

We will see.....

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With the turbo the gear is not hurting him.
They like to be loaded. All the turbo stuff around here has 3.08 to 3.27 gear.

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Thats true I wasn't thinking about it being a turbo car, anything else and it would just blaze the tires even worse than it does now.

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