Cylinder head recommendations - Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum
 3Likes
  • 1 Post By tmoss
  • 1 Post By Ed Curtis
  • 1 Post By Mark O'Neal
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 22 Old 05-21-2019, 02:38 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 32
I've e-mailed the folks at FTI for their recommendation, as I'd prefer to buy from them (good experience in the past), but I'm betting they don't typically get this sort of request and I'm sure it would be a while before I hear back.

Looking for cylinder head recommendations for my setup. Here's what I have:

  • Stock Block
  • 347 CI
  • SRP -12.5cc dish pistons, 4.030
  • Forged H-Beam Rods
  • Forged Crank
  • All new, ~700 miles on the setup so far.
  • Comp cams (35-518-8) hydraulic roller 274/282, .555/.565 (XE274HR)
  • 7/16 stud mount 1.6:1 roller rockers (want to use these on the new heads)
  • 1 5/8 long tubes, off-road mid pipe and mufflers with turnouts
  • T-5 5-speed
  • Holley Sniper EFI
  • Windsor SR 64 CC heads

Current setup is ~9.3:1 or so. I want to bring that up a bit to around 10.0:1.

I feel the heads are currently a limiting factor. The car makes a decent amount of power, I'm guessing it's about 350-375 FWHP. I feel like I'm leaving some on the table by using the heads that I have.

My goal is to get this setup north of 400 FWHP.

I'm thinking about AFR 195s, but am open to input from others. I do not have TW compatible pistons, so those are off the table.

Thoughts/input/opinions?

Thank you,

Ian

ipugh is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 22 Old 05-21-2019, 05:02 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (4)
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Georgia
Posts: 520
I don’t think you can go wrong with the afr 195’s. They’re a great head.

The 205’s are actually cheaper right now at Fti. If you can swing the bigger valve size with your piston I’d go that route. Both are good choices though and I’m sure you’ll be happy.

What intake do you have?


1996 Mustang
347, 205 11R's, Box R Intake, Ported lower, custom comp cam, 42lb injectors, 255LPH, pro-m 80, 75mm Cheap-ass TB, 1 3/4 x 3in LT's, exhaust by me, A5 trans, 4.10

422WHP/456Ft/lb. Tuned using QH by Tony @ Tuners Inc.
96pushrod is offline  
post #3 of 22 Old 05-21-2019, 06:20 PM
Registered User
 
Mark O'Neal's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 3,057
I doubt you'll pick up a ton of horsepower. Bigger valves make little to no difference in the rpm range that this this will run in.

Using .550 lift the Wjrs flow about 260/180. the Afrs about 298/227 BUT, you have a relatively small cam. The compression will up about a half point, and you'll be able to bump the timing a tad.

Tip it 10, bump it 10 and let 'er rip.....
Mark O'Neal is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 22 Old 05-21-2019, 06:29 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (4)
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Georgia
Posts: 520
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark O'Neal View Post
I doubt you'll pick up a ton of horsepower. Bigger valves make little to no difference in the rpm range that this this will run in.

Using .550 lift the Wjrs flow about 260/180. the Afrs about 298/227 BUT, you have a relatively small cam. The compression will up about a half point, and you'll be able to bump the timing a tad.

Tip it 10, bump it 10 and let 'er rip.....
I was more thinking since they’re cheaper you may as well go 205cc

1996 Mustang
347, 205 11R's, Box R Intake, Ported lower, custom comp cam, 42lb injectors, 255LPH, pro-m 80, 75mm Cheap-ass TB, 1 3/4 x 3in LT's, exhaust by me, A5 trans, 4.10

422WHP/456Ft/lb. Tuned using QH by Tony @ Tuners Inc.
96pushrod is offline  
post #5 of 22 Old 05-21-2019, 10:05 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by 96pushrod View Post
What intake do you have?
Performer RPM.

I actually somehow found an old notepad from 7 years ago where I had written down some info from speaking with Woody at fordstrokers.

I gave him a call after posting this and explained my situation and he was super helpful and shared lots of good information with me.

My plan would be to swap that intake for an Airgap or vic jr.
ipugh is offline  
post #6 of 22 Old 05-21-2019, 11:21 PM
Registered User
 
turbotoys22's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: plymouth MN
Posts: 328
Tfs 11r 205s
turbotoys22 is online now  
post #7 of 22 Old 05-21-2019, 11:49 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: colorado springs CO
Posts: 585
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbotoys22 View Post
Tfs 11r 205s
My thoughts exactly.. I have the 190s on my 331 and I am happy with them. TFS 11R 205 56cc would put you right around 10:1 static with a .047 thick gasket.

Turbo Teal 95 GT 5 speed, Creb Engineering 331 10.2:1, TFS 190 56cc 11R heads, Victor 5.0 intake, F-cam, Siemens 80s, HP hotside, custom coldside, Moates QH T4M2 custom tune by me, 91 octane 560HP 602TQ
***E85 coming soon***
Dwain is offline  
post #8 of 22 Old 05-22-2019, 10:08 AM
Registered User
 
tmoss's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (48)
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: St Louis, MO
Posts: 10,636
Garage
See if a reputable shop has a cnc program for your heads?
Mike Moore likes this.

Tom Moss
2010 Shelby GT500 vert with 2.9L 16 psi Whipple and rim upgrade. Rated 750HP/713TQ - 673/620 to the tire

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
src="/forums/images/smilies/salute.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Salute" class="inlineimg" />http://tmoss.efidynotuning.com/
tmoss is offline  
post #9 of 22 Old 05-22-2019, 12:41 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 130
those sr heads arent bad.. like tmoss said ... you can have them ported.
b--rad is offline  
post #10 of 22 Old 05-22-2019, 01:23 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmoss View Post
See if a reputable shop has a cnc program for your heads?
Many years ago (15-20?) I had a (I think, I may be off slightly) a 94/95 Cobra intake that you had ported. Fun times!

With that said, I am not aware of anyone in the Oklahoma City area who offers this service....

ipugh is offline  
post #11 of 22 Old 05-22-2019, 02:13 PM
Registered User
 
tmoss's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (48)
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: St Louis, MO
Posts: 10,636
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by ipugh View Post
Many years ago (15-20?) I had a (I think, I may be off slightly) a 94/95 Cobra intake that you had ported. Fun times!

With that said, I am not aware of anyone in the Oklahoma City area who offers this service....
Ship them if total cost is less and flow gains are comparable........ I worked for Mercy Health System and spent many days in OKC......

Tom Moss
2010 Shelby GT500 vert with 2.9L 16 psi Whipple and rim upgrade. Rated 750HP/713TQ - 673/620 to the tire

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
src="/forums/images/smilies/salute.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Salute" class="inlineimg" />http://tmoss.efidynotuning.com/
tmoss is offline  
post #12 of 22 Old 05-22-2019, 05:08 PM
Old timer
 
Ed Curtis's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (17)
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: In the shop - Working 24/7
Posts: 5,637
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmoss View Post
Ship them if total cost is less and flow gains are comparable.

Close to $2K to get them done up properly.
tmoss likes this.


Quote Mark O'Neal: "Virtually every customer I have has the same first interest. That is what is the lowest price he can pay. People like myself, Ed and very few others on this board have spent decades learning what we know.....and y'all want that knowledge for free....and you'll take the parts for free as well."


Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
Ed Curtis is offline  
post #13 of 22 Old 05-23-2019, 11:27 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 130
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Curtis View Post

Close to $2K to get them done up properly.
in which case i would go for new castings.. i do put them under extreme cyl pressure and heat.... so upgrading every few years is easier than keep on patching them back together.
b--rad is offline  
post #14 of 22 Old 05-23-2019, 02:43 PM
Registered User
 
Mark O'Neal's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 3,057
Quote:
Originally Posted by 96pushrod View Post
I was more thinking since theyíre cheaper you may as well go 205cc
It would give him room to grow, and the low to mid lift number are pretty much the same.....so why not?

Better yet, use the 205s, leave it at 9.3, and add a big ol' blower.
Mark O'Neal is offline  
post #15 of 22 Old 05-24-2019, 08:06 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark O'Neal View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by 96pushrod View Post
I was more thinking since they’re cheaper you may as well go 205cc
It would give him room to grow, and the low to mid lift number are pretty much the same.....so why not?

Better yet, use the 205s, leave it at 9.3, and add a big ol' blower.
Other option is to just go the blower route... cannot do both at the moment, though.
ipugh is offline  
post #16 of 22 Old 05-25-2019, 01:40 AM
Registered User
 
Mark O'Neal's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 3,057
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbotoys22 View Post
Tfs 11r 205s

The "B" cam of cylinder heads.......
2dxtrm likes this.
Mark O'Neal is offline  
post #17 of 22 Old 05-25-2019, 09:00 AM
Corral Elite Member
 
AtomicCoupe's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Plymouth, Ma
Posts: 1,048
Slap a blower on it. No question on making power there.

Stock block 306, V1 T-trim, AFM B-451 cam, TFS Twisted Wedge, Holley Systemax, A1000, Snow Meth, TKO 600, Team Z, Strange, MM, Lakewood and Moser helps me go forward fast.
AtomicCoupe is offline  
post #18 of 22 Old 05-25-2019, 09:01 AM
Corral Elite Member
 
AtomicCoupe's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Plymouth, Ma
Posts: 1,048
Oh ya, then start saving for a TKO.

Stock block 306, V1 T-trim, AFM B-451 cam, TFS Twisted Wedge, Holley Systemax, A1000, Snow Meth, TKO 600, Team Z, Strange, MM, Lakewood and Moser helps me go forward fast.
AtomicCoupe is offline  
post #19 of 22 Old 05-25-2019, 09:28 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (4)
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Georgia
Posts: 520
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark O'Neal View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbotoys22 View Post
Tfs 11r 205s

The "B" cam of cylinder heads.......[IMG class=inlineimg]/forums/images/Corral_net_2015/smilies/tango_face_surprise.png[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forums/images/Corral_net_2015/smilies/tango_face_surprise.png[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forums/images/Corral_net_2015/smilies/tango_face_surprise.png[/IMG]
Not a fan of the 11r?

1996 Mustang
347, 205 11R's, Box R Intake, Ported lower, custom comp cam, 42lb injectors, 255LPH, pro-m 80, 75mm Cheap-ass TB, 1 3/4 x 3in LT's, exhaust by me, A5 trans, 4.10

422WHP/456Ft/lb. Tuned using QH by Tony @ Tuners Inc.
96pushrod is offline  
post #20 of 22 Old 05-25-2019, 10:08 PM
Registered User
 
Mark O'Neal's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 3,057
Not a fan, not not a fan.

Everything has it's place.
Mark O'Neal is offline  
post #21 of 22 Old 05-27-2019, 11:12 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (4)
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: casper wy.
Posts: 978
Call Duane Busch. He will tell you your options on your heads. His prices are reasonable.
wywindsor is offline  
post #22 of 22 Old 05-27-2019, 08:04 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 20
I had a 95 gt with afr heads and absolutely loved them. I am new on these forums but that is just my input. I had 331 stroker kit, block was bored .60 I canít for the life of me remember the compression, trick flow track heat intake, x303 cam, bbk long tube headers, afr 195 cylinder heads. I know Iím missing a bunch of stuff. I never got a chance to have it dynoed because I sold it not long after I finished it because we bought a house.
ScottAlan is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
stay in 4 cylinder mode, possible? neutrino78x Green-Rodding 19 10-07-2013 04:53 PM
What "should" my fox run? wicked venom Drag Racing 20 10-08-2009 05:32 PM
2.3 to carbureted 302 boss bigkev 5.0/5.8 Engine Tech 1 08-08-2009 12:09 PM
Jegs / Kaase heads??? GaBoy90LX 5.0/5.8 Engine Tech 23 12-07-2006 12:21 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome