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363 how crazy am I Cobra intake

Time to build a motor (95% DD 5% track) Will build over the winter
Dart 363 Don't care about high RPMs just want to max out the intake yield. idel-1,500 to 5,300-5,800rpms
11r heads (190 or 205??)
93 obtain (9.5-1 or 10.5-1??) Run NO2 on kit say 125-250 shot.
1 3/4 shorties and 3in out the back
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Nitrous plate between the upper and lower

I know its crazy but this is a 93 cobra and I just want no matter what change for the 93 cobra intake. Now it has been ported by Tmoss all info says that puts it at 270 cfms. It has a 1250 port the BUT heads are 1262.
Should I open it on up? (I emailed Tmoss he said I could send it back and open #1 and #5 up and port match)
But from what I've read I will still be at 270 cfms due to the upper (am I wrong?) If so ((I)) could just port mach it and call it a day.

Have 65mm Tb all my reading says that puts me at 664 cfms
Will be a custom cam built for the build

I have been reading for 3 days and everything I have read still doesn't really tell me how much I am giving up due to this just wondering how much HP I am giving up. I have read the flow is about the same as the Edelbrock II with mine being ported.

Or maybe I have The head Flow @.500 300cfms so that 30cfm difference so 30 x 1.78= 53.4 +or- I have seen many 500+ builds so 450hp should me promising on a T5 to the wheels.

From what I have read the 363ci will help pull air in and the right cam will help a ton. From how I see it having a bigger head should make less flow pressure and let more air into the head I would think lack of air being able to get into the head would make it easier pull air in. 1 3/4 with 3in will help keep pressure down also.

I would be very happy with 400-450hp Maybe 125-250 shot 500+hp

I want this motor to be capable of 1000+hp just tamed by the intake and cam. That why I'm thinking 205 heads.

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Thought I would post my engine build (Fordstroker built)

I'm hoping for 500HP NA but I built this motor for 1,200hp+.

Dart SHP 363 Internal Balanced, Trickflow 11R 205 heads 66cc (Fel Pro MLS 1134 Head Gaskets). 10.1 compression
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I have made 500hp on a 280hp motor for years so this time I went the opposite direction. After some research I seen the shaft rockers were way better especially for a daily driver I want this motor to be good for 200k-300k miles before rebuild.


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Go with the 205 11r heads, love mine. Also I hope you’re planning on going with a gforce, promotion, or an a5 transmission as the t5 will be on borrowed time.

There are so many great intakes for a sbf. Why choke it with a cobra? A box r or a worked over sm2 would be a better choice imo.

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I ran into the same situation with my 1995 Cobra, although I'm going supercharged on a Big Bore Dart 347. I have a tmoss ported Cobra intake with 205 11r heads. I ended up switching and having tmoss port a rpm intake instead of staying with the Cobra because I was too worried it'd kill the top end.

Sorry I don't have an answer for you. But from my conversation with some knowledgeable guys it would just move the power band farther down and be a torque monster instead of a higher end motor.
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I ran into the same situation with my 1995 Cobra, although I'm going supercharged on a Big Bore Dart 347. I have a tmoss ported Cobra intake with 205 11r heads. I ended up switching and having tmoss port a rpm intake instead of staying with the Cobra because I was too worried it'd kill the top end.

Sorry I don't have an answer for you. But from my conversation with some knowledgeable guys it would just move the power band farther down and be a torque monster instead of a higher end motor.
Thats actually what I'm hoping for its a full weight car. Torque is my friend and I could careless to turn the car 6,500rpms when I buy a transmission I will make sure it is good for 6,500rpms but I never plan to shift it that high. Guess someone has to do it first. I will dyno tune the car right away.

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T5 with that combo? Damn
I know I know I am looking at the TKO 600 with 6500rpm ability maybe even the 7,000.
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It would be nice to get some feedback from someone whom has run a 363/Cobra intake combo. I will be picking up a 363 shortblock Tuesday from Woody that I plan to use a Cobra intake on. I do also have an SM2 to swap out if the 94/95 Cobra intake proves too restrictive.


Like your build, intended purpose for my build is predominately a driver, I don't need high RPM cop calling performance. Mr. Moss mentioned, while providing information pertinent to my build, that a bit more duration is of help for the limited airflow capabilities, I plan to use a Comp 232/240 extreme energy cam, heads are AFR 195 Renegades. I have little doubt the engine will make prodigious amounts of low RPM torque, just hope it doesn't fall on it's face at too low of an engine speed.


There is a fair bit of dyno data for 347 stroker/Cobra intake builds, I figure that is probably close enough to extrapolate meaningful information for a 363.


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It would be nice to get some feedback from someone whom has run a 363/Cobra intake combo. I will be picking up a 363 shortblock Tuesday from Woody that I plan to use a Cobra intake on. I do also have an SM2 to swap out if the 94/95 Cobra intake proves too restrictive.


Like your build, intended purpose for my build is predominately a driver, I don't need high RPM cop calling performance. Mr. Moss mentioned, while providing information pertinent to my build, that a bit more duration is of help for the limited airflow capabilities, I plan to use a Comp 232/240 extreme energy cam, heads are AFR 195 Renegades. I have little doubt the engine will make prodigious amounts of low RPM torque, just hope it doesn't fall on it's face at too low of an engine speed.


There is a fair bit of dyno data for 347 stroker/Cobra intake builds, I figure that is probably close enough to extrapolate meaningful information for a 363.


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Man let me know how it turns out do you plan on dynoing the build to see the curve or using a tuner to see the load numbers? If so please share.

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I will be using Pro-M engine management, so no dyno tuning needed, but if it is not too obviously airflow restricted, I might put the car on the rollers.

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I will be using Pro-M engine management, so no dyno tuning needed, but if it is not too obviously airflow restricted, I might put the car on the rollers.

Jay
post your fuel VE table it will tell me your power band. Just not the amount of actual power but the band range will be a ton of help.

Just my 2 cents but I use Megasquirt and I will dyno right away just will save me a ton of time trying to make pulls on the street/track faster I get it tuned in the less hard miles on that high priced motor.


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Little info I found so 400hp is maybe doable.
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Above is a dyno run for a 347 with a point higher compression than what I'm building, same cam, and of course a smaller bore. Notice the table top torque from the 3200 RPM beginning to just past 5K. This all with nothing more than a calibrated mass air meter. Should make for a fun street runner.

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Holley Systemax II Intake Manifold - Anderson Ford Motorsport

See dyno number below the intake I bet that was unported so 20+hp for that and a better curve.

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The upper is the restriction.

Going to call for one strange camshaft profile to crutch that restricted induction.
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The upper is the restriction.

Going to call for one strange camshaft profile to crutch that restricted induction.
Are you saying your up for the challenge?

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It would be nice to get some feedback from someone whom has run a 363/Cobra intake combo. I will be picking up a 363 shortblock Tuesday from Woody that I plan to use a Cobra intake on. I do also have an SM2 to swap out if the 94/95 Cobra intake proves too restrictive.


Like your build, intended purpose for my build is predominately a driver, I don't need high RPM cop calling performance. Mr. Moss mentioned, while providing information pertinent to my build, that a bit more duration is of help for the limited airflow capabilities, I plan to use a Comp 232/240 extreme energy cam, heads are AFR 195 Renegades. I have little doubt the engine will make prodigious amounts of low RPM torque, just hope it doesn't fall on it's face at too low of an engine speed.


There is a fair bit of dyno data for 347 stroker/Cobra intake builds, I figure that is probably close enough to extrapolate meaningful information for a 363.


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Any chance you could tell me how the shop is Jay? Iím semi local and considered him for a build, I just saw some base shortblocks considerably more expensive than other places. I know he knows his stuff and is a professional.
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It would be nice to get some feedback from someone whom has run a 363/Cobra intake combo. I will be picking up a 363 shortblock Tuesday from Woody that I plan to use a Cobra intake on. I do also have an SM2 to swap out if the 94/95 Cobra intake proves too restrictive.


Like your build, intended purpose for my build is predominately a driver, I don't need high RPM cop calling performance. Mr. Moss mentioned, while providing information pertinent to my build, that a bit more duration is of help for the limited airflow capabilities, I plan to use a Comp 232/240 extreme energy cam, heads are AFR 195 Renegades. I have little doubt the engine will make prodigious amounts of low RPM torque, just hope it doesn't fall on it's face at too low of an engine speed.


There is a fair bit of dyno data for 347 stroker/Cobra intake builds, I figure that is probably close enough to extrapolate meaningful information for a 363.


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Any chance you could tell me how the shop is Jay? I’m semi local and considered him for a build, I just saw some base shortblocks considerably more expensive than other places. I know he knows his stuff and is a professional.
I think woodys prices are definitely fair for what he provides. When you factor in the dart block, it’s about the same price as similar shops that provide short and long blocks.

I’ve got a woody built 347 and it’s great.
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I think woodys prices are definitely fair for what he provides. When you factor in the dart block, itís about the same price as similar shops that provide short and long blocks.

Iíve got a woody built 347 and itís great.
Thank you man. What about the costs of the bare dart blocks that are roughly $800 more or 40% higher than what his competitors sell them for?

I can easily find the bare dart block for $1900-1999 compared to the $2799 there.

That huge difference has to still play a part when you are buying not the bare block, it the assembled block if you are basing your costs closely to that cost of the build.

I truly believe his work is great and I would like to be a customer. I have confidence in his builds.
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Thank you man. What about the costs of the bare dart blocks that are roughly $800 more or 40% higher than what his competitors sell them for?

I can easily find the bare dart block for $1900-1999 compared to the $2799 there.

That huge difference has to still play a part when you are buying not the bare block, it the assembled block if you are basing your costs closely to that cost of the build.

I truly believe his work is great and I would like to be a customer. I have confidence in his builds.
I can answer, since I am him lol. My bare dart block is machined. Bore, honed, surfaced, align honed, arp main studs etc. I dont sell any dart blocks unmachined, I dont pay attention to anyone else except me. Everyone has their own price in life, some are expensive, some are cheap.

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I can answer, since I am him lol. My bare dart block is machined. Bore, honed, surfaced, align honed, arp main studs etc. I dont sell any dart blocks unmachined, I dont pay attention to anyone else except me. Everyone has their own price in life, some are expensive, some are cheap.
Understood, would you be willing to pass on the savings if I brought you my brotherís new dart block he has in storage and pay you to build it into one of your liberator 408 sb build?
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Understood, would you be willing to pass on the savings if I brought you my brotherís new dart block he has in storage and pay you to build it into one of your liberator 408 sb build?
As long as it's new, no previously machined stuff. That can be disastrous. Bring it on over. You can email [email protected], best way to communicate, or call me.

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As long as it's new, no previously machined stuff. That can be disastrous. Bring it on over. You can email [email protected], best way to communicate, or call me.
Will do Woody.

Is there any chance I can drive to the shop next month and sit down with you to discuss costs and options for the 408 I would like built?
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Jim builds the engines entirely by himself in his own personal shop. He is the type of person that pays extreme attention to the smallest detail, his builds are works of art. I have great confidence in the quality of his workmanship, quality of the parts he chooses to use, and trust his advice.


I just bought a short block for my track car a couple months back, it has tremendous ring seal, yet turns with less drag/friction than any engine I've worked on. The guy knows his stuff, yet still has a common sense approach, he won't spend your money carelessly. Maybe his prices have changed, but my invoice shows 2.5K for the MACHINED Dart SHP block. Quite reasonable if you ask me.

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Will do Woody.

Is there any chance I can drive to the shop next month and sit down with you to discuss costs and options for the 408 I would like built?
Come on over, just email or call when ready.
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If you’ve already gone to an aftermarket block I’d just go aftermarket on the intake.

Better yet, Stick a blower on it and force air through the intake you have the block to handle it.
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About your intake question - I ran a Trick Flow street intake on a 302 (with TW 170 heads, and an Eaton M112 blower). It revved to 6,500 pretty handily; peak was around 6,000. When I put all that on my 363 with a custom cam by Ed, the intake and blower choked the hell out of it. It didn't want to rev past 5,500 rpm, and peak was around 5,000 rpm. I cut down the intake (removed about 5.5" of runner length from the upper, ported it to the limits of the casting), rpm peak moved to 6,150 n/a on the 363 (now a 365, because the choke was so severe it melted a few pistons under boost).

I'd say based on my experience, you're going to be leaving a ton of power with the Cobra intake - it's not even as good as the Trick Flow Street I started with. Even a blower won't fix it - it'll just make your tuning window smaller.
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About your intake question - I ran a Trick Flow street intake on a 302 (with TW 170 heads, and an Eaton M112 blower). It revved to 6,500 pretty handily; peak was around 6,000. When I put all that on my 363 with a custom cam by Ed, the intake and blower choked the hell out of it. It didn't want to rev past 5,500 rpm, and peak was around 5,000 rpm. I cut down the intake (removed about 5.5" of runner length from the upper, ported it to the limits of the casting), rpm peak moved to 6,150 n/a on the 363 (now a 365, because the choke was so severe it melted a few pistons under boost).

I'd say based on my experience, you're going to be leaving a ton of power with the Cobra intake - it's not even as good as the Trick Flow Street I started with. Even a blower won't fix it - it'll just make your tuning window smaller.
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We don't normally recommend this unless the customer knows what he will get. We sent him some supporting feedback from previous combinations. We kinda understand wanting to try to keep the look of the open hood on an original Cobra.
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This 363 has the old school Edelbrock Performer EFI intake which we know does not flow great but it's what the customer wanted. Has 10:1 compression, AFR 185 heads and a tiny cam 214 duration, heads have more power potential but the intake is choking it...

Your Cobra fully ported will choke decent heads but as you can wee, it would make great torque.
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This 363 has the old school Edelbrock Performer EFI intake which we know does not flow great but it's what the customer wanted. Has 10:1 compression, AFR 185 heads and a tiny cam 214 duration, heads have more power potential but the intake is choking it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaMD4m1jieM

Your Cobra fully ported will choke decent heads but as you can wee, it would make great torque.
Thanks I would be happy with them numbers but more is better lol. My car is lugging now with my new M/T 315/35r17s no way it lugs with them numbers.

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About your intake question - I ran a Trick Flow street intake on a 302 (with TW 170 heads, and an Eaton M112 blower). It revved to 6,500 pretty handily; peak was around 6,000. When I put all that on my 363 with a custom cam by Ed, the intake and blower choked the hell out of it. It didn't want to rev past 5,500 rpm, and peak was around 5,000 rpm. I cut down the intake (removed about 5.5" of runner length from the upper, ported it to the limits of the casting), rpm peak moved to 6,150 n/a on the 363 (now a 365, because the choke was so severe it melted a few pistons under boost).

I'd say based on my experience, you're going to be leaving a ton of power with the Cobra intake - it's not even as good as the Trick Flow Street I started with. Even a blower won't fix it - it'll just make your tuning window smaller.
I'm having a tough time trying to understand how a choked inlet tract led to a lean condition, too much fuel for an insufficient supply of air should create a rich condition rather than melt the engine down. Analogous to saying "My plants got dehydrated and died due to over watering them".

Interesting the differences that show various results comparing the "street" long runner intakes from different sources, most of the more reputable sources I've seen in the past show the Cobra out performing the competition when the lowers are port matched to good aluminum heads up to about 5500. Due to the vast amount of different combinations possible, this is not too surprising.

I'm thinking a Box-R or possibly the new Holley are the only long runner intakes capable of supplying a sufficient intake charge to a 363 up to and even exceeding 6500 RPM, but as a certain autocrosser repeatedly pointed out, not everyone's goals or requirements are the same. I have a track specific car breathing through a short runner 4 Barrel style EFI manifold with a lumpy mechanical roller that makes a lot of high RPM power. My street '95 GT with a 74K stock 302 engine isn't too bad as is for a street ride, I don't want or need another fire breathing monster getting me in trouble. If it pulls hard to 5K, that's about all I would wind up my street car anyway. Again, different strokes, I'm well aware the combo will give up a bunch of power at higher engine speeds.


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That is almost impossible to see clearly - looks like 414 HP and 463 lb-ft?

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That is almost impossible to see clearly - looks like 414 HP and 463 lb-ft?
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In my opinion, a 65mm TB, shorties, and Cobra intake, are all 3 on the list of things that do not belong on a 363. My prediction is if you do these things, you're going to drive it for a week and have a blast with it and then be right back online looking up the parts you should have bought the first time.

To each his own, but you're gonna be choking the F out of that 363.
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