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Can you run 10's with a 347?

Can you run 10's with a 347?

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Yes it could if you can drive. I would want a 4.10


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Unfortunately not. 11s if you're lucky. Most likely low 12s.
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Unfortunately not. 11s if you're lucky. Most likely low 12s.
People run low 12s with 302s.

Basic TFS top end combo run 12.23, 12.30 110mph with 302 300rwhp ...
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For most of us, it would be harder with a manual transmission.

We put together a 363 with base 66cc 11r 190 heads for 10:1 compression. With a c4, ed hr cam, otb air gap, 4.10, etc..

It went 7.12 with the old carb and good weather which calculates to 11.1.

Friday in horrendous weather and a new apd carb it went [email protected] when most were a tenth and a half slower. [email protected] converts to [email protected] A while back he went 11.4 in the 1/4.

This is a pump gas, street driven and raced by a 70 year old man.

The parts listed can do what he wants.

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Above with 28 inch tall drag radial. Ill find out the rest of the slip.

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There are guys out there that have done it, with stock bottom ends in lightened cars, so why not? Will be harder to do it in a stick vs. an auto though. If that were me, I'd do the 205 11r's, solid roller and c4. Just sounds fun! lol


What's his face on here (who just happens to be local to me) runs in the 9's with an NA 363. Surely you could follow his build with your 347.

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I couldn't resist a good troll. This shouldn't even be a question. As mentioned people have done this with stock bottom ends. One went 10.69 at almost 128mph with 11r 190s and a 100k mile shortblock. Google is your friend.
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Quarterhorse ll runs 9.80s with a NA 331, 5 speed.

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Yes it can. My only suggestion for the track is Mickey Thompson 26x10 stiff-wall ET Drags. Other than that, your combination looks good as long as you can shift that 5-speed. Check out post # 882 on the last page of my 347 thread.

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Yes it could if you can drive. I would want a 4.10
How can you say that without knowing where his engine makes peak power and what tire size?
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Exactly my thoughts when I read that.
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I made too many assumptions based on what I would do to crack into the 10s. Not 11 or 12s.

6500-6600 shift point and a 26 tall tire with low to mid 120 traps.

My 363 is lower compression with a ported victor jr, Ed cam with 6500 shift point, 4.10 and 26. So if he does everything I assumed he will be good to go

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I made too many assumptions based on what I would do to crack into the 10’s. Not 11 or 12’s.

6500-6600 shift point and a 26” tall tire with low to mid 120 traps.

My 363 is lower compression with a ported victor jr, Ed cam with 6500 shift point, 4.10 and 26”. So if he does everything I assumed he will be good to go[IMG class=inlineimg]/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Well someone had to raz you. 😁

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You can run a lot faster than 10's if you spend a lot of money and plan on 5 digit RPM. Look at Comp Eliminator.

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You can run a lot faster than 10's if you spend a lot of money and plan on 5 digit RPM. Look at Comp Eliminator.

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4.040 stock 1971 302 block, scat rotator with 9000 crank, studded mains, some srp pistons with a little dome that we actually ground down a little to clear the valves, 11.5:1 compression, .660 lift old comp solid roller, some RHS 215s with a little work (308 cfm), ported vic jr, holley 830 annular, 5500 rpm converter, c4, 4.30s and some 3053s. [email protected] in the 1/8th off the foot brake on motor in an LX hatch at 2900lbs. 7200 shift point. that little turd hauled ass for what it was. so 10s are most definitely possible.
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I had a 93 gt I built a 347 for. i had procomp 210 cc heads, trick flo stage 2 cam, electric accessories, no power steering (pretty easy to steer without it), 11.4-1 compression, (ran fine on pump gas and great on race fuel), 750 dp, with a cheap intake cant remember the brand, 3:73 gears 1 3/4 long tubes, fiberglass hood and hatch, 5 speed, ran 11:80's added a 75 shot and after dialing it in good got it down to the best time of 11.60's full interior street car on drag radials with bone stock suspension.

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I believe you can run 10s with a 302. But 90+% of people arent willing to do what it takes to get there.

Get the car down to 2000lbs and with lots of aero work, HP is the easy part, then use a powerglide trans...(im no drag racer)

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I believe you can run 10s with a 302. But 90+% of people arent willing to do what it takes to get there.

Get the car down to 2000lbs and with lots of aero work, HP is the easy part, then use a powerglide trans...(im no drag racer)
Really? 2000 pounds? Not possible....

Over 20 years ago, a street based, pump gas 347 combination I worked on went 10.70s all day long. Old series Twisted Wedge heads, Victor Jr. intake, Holley 750DP coupled with a C4, ATI converter and 4.30 gears. (in a 3300 pound hatch)

Imagine what can be done today!




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Really? 2000 pounds? Not possible....

Over 20 years ago, a street based, pump gas 347 combination I worked on went 10.70s all day long. Old series Twisted Wedge heads, Victor Jr. intake, Holley 750DP coupled with a C4, ATI converter and 4.30 gears. (in a 3300 pound hatch)

Imagine what can be done today!



ok just to be clear we are talking about a foxbody right?

I own an 89 GT shes high 25xx lbs and this is a real race car (trackcar) not that drag race skinnie fronts, tiny light weight k member and aerospace hollow brakes. Plus i still have stock windshield, quarter windows, stock fuel tank, iron block, stock rearend.



So which fox would i buy to break records?

1979 (ugly AF) but the lightest fox ever made

then we remove side mirrors, convert the car to a front feeder cooling setup, massive amounts of aero work to reduce drag, flat bottom, belly pans the works.

I am almost willing to bet we (corral knowledge and people) could get a 79 fox to 2200lbs sort of easy

2000lbs we would need carbon fiber and deeper wallets.


2000lb 79 fox

with someones 450hp 302 (im guessing carbed since we dont need reliability, drive-ability, we dont need power steering, #### we dont even need an alternator, ive seen drag race guys run off a battery for 1/4 mile then roll into the paddock. Electric water pump, have that 302 spinning!

2000lbs 450hp, aero, and throw in a good drag race driver, come on, we would be putting big blocks to shame!

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Again - a 2000 pound Fox body is not possible.

Throw all the carbonfiber and titanium at it you want but it'll never see a 2000 pound race weight.

You must be running radio controlled or X-box race cars to think that.

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More like 2lbs.
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Again - a 2000 pound Fox body is not possible.

Throw all the carbonfiber and titanium at it you want but it'll never see a 2000 pound race weight.

You must be running radio controlled or X-box race cars to think that.

Last August at NJMP we rolled my car with me in it with my helmet, neck harness, gloves, and easily half a tank of gas.

2811 lbs

Ive removed more weight since then and cant wait to get it back on the scales,

youre telling me with a tubular front end (not just k member) and tubular rear end setup, 2gallon fuel cell, lexan, carbon, sticker headlights, sticker taillights, no dash with racepak we can get sub 2100 lbs

What is the record for the lightest fox? Is there any record for that?

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you just reminded me, i met a guy who dirt oval track races (yuck) a fox with a 4 banger, he told me it was 2300lbs IIRC and thats with a full oval track cage,

a 10 second drag car only needs what a 4 point? 6 point?

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all i know its that the 1979 notchback weight around 2,550 lbs.

That is the lightest fox ever made.
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all i know its that the 1979 notchback weight around 2,550 lbs.

That is the lightest fox ever made.
IF this is true, I can pull 500 lbs out on a Saturday. Welcome to the 9s boys! Gather around, ill learn you

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IF this is true, I can pull 500 lbs out on a Saturday. Welcome to the 9s boys! Gather around, ill learn you
I would love to see this :-)
Do you have 4 corner scales or a full car scale to show before and after weights?
This would be an awesome project we all could learn something from.
Please show us the results and what you removed to save 500 lbs.
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IF this is true, I can pull 500 lbs out on a Saturday. Welcome to the 9s boys! Gather around, ill learn you
This is "dumb signature" worthy...





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I would love to see this :-)
Do you have 4 corner scales or a full car scale to show before and after weights?
This would be an awesome project we all could learn something from.
Please show us the results and what you removed to save 500 lbs.
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Start with the easy things like removing fuel, coolant and air in the tires.

Out of curiousity, I wonder what has been the lowest race weight for a Fox?

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I would love to see this 🙂
Do you have 4 corner scales or a full car scale to show before and after weights?
This would be an awesome project we all could learn something from.
Please show us the results and what you removed to save 500 lbs.
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Start with the easy things like removing fuel, coolant and air in the tires.

Out of curiousity, I wonder what has been the lowest race weight for a Fox?
I wonder what the Grey Mare weighs? That thing was drilled like Swiss Cheese but had no cage or cooling system.

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You build your car the way it is for a few reasons.
1) You are building it to the rules to fit in a racing class.
2) You build it to get the most bang for your buck to achieve your performance goal.
3) You build it the way you want it not caring about cost or rules.

If you are building to class rules you have to spend lots of money to maximize what you are allowed. This can mean stock parts that end up costing more than top shelf aftermarket stuff but they are what you need to pass tech and be competitive. Take pure stock for instance. You can easily have over 10 grand in a "stock" engine.

If you want the most bang for your buck you can use the brute force approach. You don't need to have every detail perfect like a class racer because you can always add more cubes, or boost, or a bigger shot of nitrous, or better heads, etc.....

The more rare approach is to build what you want not caring about a racing class or cost. This is the "CleanLX" build. He wanted a really good running e7 head street combo and he paid the money for what he wanted.

I think the idea of trying to make a fox mustang light enough to run 9s with a stock short block falls into category #3. You might with enough money get a fox mustang to 2000 lbs without driver using enough carbon fiber, aluminum, and titanium. But this falls into the category of not a good return on your investment. There are much cheaper ways to run 9s. As an ex circle track racer I can remember looking in catalogs at hollow titanium bolt kits for sprint cars to save a few pounds at the price into the 5 figures.

If all you want to get into the 9s with 302 cubes naturally aspirated it is indeed possible and not even that hard if you are willing to spend the money. The reason it rarely gets done is that there are cheaper ways to go faster with more cubes, boost, nitrous, etc.
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