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Old 04-07-2008, 12:56 PM   #1
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Talk to me about the new Si-Trim Vortech?

Is it worth it? I guess its around 330$ to get an S-trim upgraded to an Si trim that supposidly is good for 775hp and 27psi and is alot more efficent than a standard S.

My car is apart right now and I'm thinking about bitting the bullitt for a week and sending the blower in for the swap.

Anyone do this yet?
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Post some more info! I am interested in this like right now. I am in the came position. My car is apart and was going to upgrade to the T-trim but I like that price better!!!

I have not heard of the SI-trim at all!
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I got off the phone with Vortech and here is what I was told...

The Si-trim upgrade is a happy medium between the S and T-trim. However it has the ability to be more efficent at 78% and allow more boost generated at lower RPM. (I think they're sick of losing to the roots/twinscrew guys on the mod cars) It will be good for 775hp and/or 27psi. The CFM is just a few ticks off from a T-trim.

The cost is 329 and they do an impeller change and send it back to you. The turnaround time right now is 1.5 weeks.

I asked if they had any documentation and a side by side comparison about the Si vs the S vs T. But he said they don't have anything avalible like that yet.

Uppon further research the guys over on the 350z forums have sent in a few of theirs to be converted and said they've had good results. Alot of their feedback is hitting their desired boost levels earlier.

This is all good news. My S-trim see's 5-psi at 3500ish and 10 at 6000. A little earlier down low would be awesome!!

I just want some feedback from the mustang community before I eat 2 weeks of good driving time for this.
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I also called my contact at Vortech and I was told basically the same thing with the exception of, they also replace the compressor housing to accept the bigger/better impeller. It is $329 for the satin unit upgrade and roughly $30-$40 more for the polished unit upgrade.
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Mine will be shipped out soon!!!
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Im prob going to get in on this.
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No kidding? You can get a fully polished blower!!! or just 1/2 of it is polished. I wana hear some feedback about boost at different RPM on our pushrod stangs. My car has just been down for so long I don't know if its worth doing now or waiting till the winter.
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Just the housing where the impeller is, the Valute (Or something like that)...

I dont see much boost below 3600 but after that, hang on! I see about 4-5psi at 3400-3500 and then 14psi at 6000. Before I installed my cams it was 6-7psi@3500 and 18psi @ 6200... I LOVE boost! I am definately going to get this done.
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Im doing this...FOR SURE. I have to send mine in for a straight volute anyway which is $300 to do alone. I just got off the phone with them and they said that now the upgrade to the SI trim AND a straight volute is $329.95 so why the hell would I not do this?!

Ill let you guys know when I get it back, he said the wait is about 2 weeks.

Also, they can do it for V-1 and V-2 blowers no problem, it is replacing the impeller and volute.
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I wonder if they plan on updating the T-trim as well since they seem to be improving the line what with the Ysi and now the Si.
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the SI is supose to be Self contained so i guess they are just doing a Compressor wheel swap?? I would also like to know how much sooner it will make more boost...im not worried right now about the extra boost as my SC will split the block now...just want the extra windup/CFM if its worth the 330 that is...
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Here is the link.

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...2&section=News



Looks like to me its more than an impeller change. Seems to me that its a head unit swap instead of using your original head unit due to the self containing oiling system setup.
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read my post above, an impeller is what gives this blower its higher CFM, psi, RPMs etc... because the impeller is different they have to change the volute.

this can be done with any s-trim (even SC-trim since its the same volute/ housing). the V-3 means self contained but you can use the SI impeller in any of them.
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I ran 10.40's on my old s-trim, I would have upgraded in a heartbeat. Instead I went the ysi route, and changed everything (block,trans, heads,fuel sys, inl.'s). The si upgrade will keep vortech busy for a long time.
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For sure it will. If my car wasnt going to the dyno next friday my S-trim would be on its way to vortech tomorrow. I just hope thye dont get too backed up and peoples blowers are sitting there for a month. I think it may be well worth $330, but some real numbers for proof will be nice.

So whoever does this make sure you post results ASAP.
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I am going to put my car back together with the S-trim and get dyno number. Then I am sending the unit off for the upgrade and when it gets back I will dyno and tune it again to see the gains. Looking at about 1.5-2 months but I will post the info if its still needed at that time.
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I just talked to vortech as well and they have said the same thing that every one else has said. They said they have not done any back to back testing with the S vs. Si yet so if any one here does it a before and after test it would be nice to see.
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I still think its kinda weird they havn't done any testing between the 2. I mean hell you do that just to design the damn thing....

How do you know its better?

Keep us all updated whoever does the swap!
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So does this upgrade it to the self contained unit? Is it just impeller and volute? If it upgrades it to the self contained unit mine will be off in about 10 minutes.
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JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH VORTECH I DONT KNOW WHO EVERYONE ELES TALKED TO BUT THIS GUY SAID THAT THERE WAS NO DIFFRENCE EXCEPT THE INTERNAL OIL SYSTEM AND 30 MIN LESS INSTALL TIME ,NO SORT OF POWER INCREASES AT LOW RPM .
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MAYBE THE GUY I TALKED TOO DIDNT KNOW OR WHAT ..
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I just called Vortech. They told me that there is NO difference in cfm between the standard S trim and upgrading to the Si. They told me the only difference is the boost will come on alittle faster and the only parts changed are the impeller and volute. ( you will still need your oil lines also, it isnt self contained)
I can do that with a pulley swap for way less than 329.00.
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Enough calling, someone send their #### in!
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I'm very interested, found the whole kit for 2800.00 Is this the 8-10psi kit?
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Why send it in when Vortech says the only difference is the boost comes in a LITTLE quicker.?? Unlike most of what was stated in the 1st post.
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Go read the 350z forum. A few of their guys have done it and said they've had results that were VERY worth it. But they are little V6 cars. I wana see how they help real CI cars. P.S. if you call talk to tech don't talk to the "phone" people they don't know their heads from asses.
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supose to be between the S and T and 50CFM less than what the T-puts out and capable of 27PSI at 78% effiency...so the tech that said there is no difference must not have gotten the "memo" now if its worth the 330$ only time will tell.
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I talked to tech and he assured me there is no difference in CFM.

any Vortech reps on here that can clear it up?
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first, he was wrong. I spoke with Jamie (?) and carlos and they both said the CFM rating is 1150 which would be 150 more than the standard S-trim.

AGAIN, the upgrade is only the volute and impeller. you do NOT get a self contained unit in return.

so it DOES flow more
It DOES make more boost
It DOES have a higher efficiency

Mine will be sent in on friday.
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who are Jamie and Carlos? they incharge over there? If someone at Vortech can confirm its 1150cfm I'll send mine in asap
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Just wait. Someone else will ask if its self contained.

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who are Jamie and Carlos? they incharge over there? If someone at Vortech can confirm its 1150cfm I'll send mine in asap
They are very knowledgeable techs there.

again, I CONFIRM they told me 1150CFM.

haha, is it self contained?!?
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FLOW/CFM 1,150
HORSE POWER 800
ISENTROPIC
EFFICIENCEY 78%
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MAX IMPELLER SPEED 65,000 RPM
PSIG 24PSI
FLOW/CFM 1,150
HORSE POWER 750
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MAX IMPELLER SPEED 55,000 RPM
PSIG 26PSI
FLOW/CFM 1,200
HORSE POWER 825
ISENTROPIC
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:34 PM   #34
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the SI is self contained but if you upgrade your V-1/V-2 it is simply a volute/impeller change....nothing more. you will also notice it is more efficent than the T-trim and only makes 50CFM less and is capable of the same PSI level....
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the SI is self contained but if you upgrade your V-1/V-2 it is simply a volute/impeller change....nothing more. you will also notice it is more efficent than the T-trim and only makes 50CFM less and is capable of the same PSI level....
The "SI-trim" doesnt designate "self contained". Its the "V-3" that does that.
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