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dr black coupe · 10-22-2007, 06:29 PM

really thinking of purchasing my engine from dss this winter. just wanted some feedback........pro's/con's or problems. looks like good stuff to me. like to have some opinions first.

10-22-2007, 06:39 PM

you are going to open a bag of worms on this one. They have a good reputation for machine work. The claims they make for a stock 5.0 block are extreme. I am considering using DSS to machine my Mexican block, because they do a lot of machining for the price. Mostly I prefer the local guys, I've known for 30 years, that stand behind they're work.

dr black coupe · 10-22-2007, 06:51 PM

just want to hear results from purchases.

LT1HAHA · 10-22-2007, 06:55 PM

dr black....you have been here long enough to know that a search is recommended before posting questions such as these.

There is more than enough info on this board to make a well informed decision on this subject. A simple search will pull up 100's of post. Several which are 2+ pages long!

IMHO- I will never again buy anything processed, machined, or woked on by DSS. They are the best in the business about not standing behind their product and their customer NO service.

dr black coupe · 10-22-2007, 07:06 PM

thnx for the criticism, but have never posted in this forum since i've been on here. better to hear new responses any way.

onefastsvt · 10-22-2007, 07:29 PM

I like mine. No problems 15k mi and counting.

10-22-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LT1HAHA

IMHO- I will never again buy anything processed, machined, or woked on by DSS. They are the best in the business about not standing behind their product and their customer NO service.

Now, that is useful feedback! Haven't heard enough about what they do, when they screw up.

dr black coupe · 10-22-2007, 08:40 PM

sounds like we're 50/50 right now

svo90 · 10-22-2007, 09:50 PM

ive have 3 motors from them to in the cars running fine both taking in alot of boost. and i have not ran into any problems with them, but i dont like there main girdle at all.

svo90 · 10-22-2007, 09:50 PM

ive have 3 motors from them to in the cars running fine both taking in alot of boost. and i have not ran into any problems with them, but i dont like there main girdle at all. and the 3rd one is a spare

CHARGED 89 331 · 10-22-2007, 10:20 PM

i have a 331 stroker kit from dss in a b50 block that wasn't assembled by them. it was put together by a local guy, never had a problem. my friend bill 5.0(post's on here) had the same motor assembled by them and the crank snapped.

ninety15.0 · 10-23-2007, 09:38 AM

I dont have any personal experience with them...but i have seen some horror shows resulting from DSS components. I have heard that their machining quality of late has been suspect and their assembly tolerances have been iffy. Plus, who really wants to deal with a company known for shoddy customer service...especially when you are going to drop a couple grand on a short/long block. That being said there are much better places to buy short/long blocks.

CHP and fordstrokers.com come to mind immediately. They have an excellent reputation and good prices as well.

streetfalcon · 10-23-2007, 10:13 AM

a stock block is a stock block is a stock block.

I still cannot figure out how removing material makes a block stronger, but anything for marketing I guess.

I tuned a 331 with an s-trim and it made 520rwhp. Its been 5-6 months and nothing yet . . .

50calypso · 10-23-2007, 04:25 PM

I have about 5,000 miles on mine. Zero problems to date. I made 382rwhp. DSS always answered any questions I had, so no problems with customer service either. Just my experience.

bccoupe · 10-24-2007, 06:36 AM

I have a DSS dart 335 long block. They assymbled it oil pan to intake. It runs 5.70's in the 1/8th. I installed the motor back in May and I have not even had the valve covers off of it. It's the best motor Ive ever owened. It's more than I ever expected as far as Quality & Performance. I did have a balancer go bad. I called DSS thinking Id have to buy another even though I did up grade to a higher quality balancer it only cost me 40 bucks. They do quality work and have grate customer service. I am a strong believer in you get what ya pay for. If ya buy a stock block motor and exspect to make over 700hp and it fails I dont think thats thier fault. You just didnt spend enough money for the right parts. Even good parts fail thats murphy's law but people will buy parts that they know are gonna fail with what they are doing and then want to blame the people that sold it to them. If you are honest about what your power level's going to be ,say it's a 1000hp and ya call DSS and tell them that do you honestly think they are gonna recommend a stock block?

nmstangmelvin · 10-24-2007, 11:12 AM

great topic.

LT1HAHA stop being such a search nazi

onefastsvt · 10-24-2007, 01:41 PM

DP

onefastsvt · 10-24-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

If ya buy a stock block motor and expect to make over 700hp and it fails I don't think that's their fault.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Be realistic about what you are going to do with this motor. If you are going to make a 500rwhp supercharged 306, get a better block. A stock block will split at this power level eventually. If you want to make a NA 450RWHP stroker, a DSS block will work fine, just don't try to rev it to the moon.

I still want to find out if the DSS short blocks make more power. I seem to be making more power with lesser parts (GT-40y heads, a cobra intake, and an e-cam). I know many have said that its the combo not the individual parts.

rpmmustang89 · 10-24-2007, 02:27 PM

i know i'd be going to see Jim at fordstrokers.com

bccoupe · 10-24-2007, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpmmustang89

i know i'd be going to see Jim at fordstrokers.com

Yeah, And I'll be watching you go down the track...... as Im going back down the return road!!! Ha Ha!

Suspect · 10-25-2007, 02:21 AM

10-25-2007, 04:23 AM

If your not familiar w runs, at a dragstrip..you might not invision, what he is saying.

Kato Engineering · 10-25-2007, 04:53 AM

DSS just has a cheap engine with a bunch of cheap quap that uses a stock block and a BUNCH of adveretising...

dont think that they actually make any more power than what anyone else can with the same parts... as with any company that has giant advertising budgets...they usually all hipe up all the things as being bigger than life....and say that they do thinhgs that others dont or cant do...

the fact is, they are just a mass - high production engine shop...

when you spend your hard earned money, you should buy a better block...and dont use a late block for making anything that you want to be RELIABLE......

ponie1992 · 10-25-2007, 09:33 AM

I have a friend that has a DSS 306 with Trick Flow top half. We installed it over 2 years ago and no problems to date. It is a street car that seldom sees track time, but so far so good.

rpmmustang89 · 10-25-2007, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotroady

If your not familiar w runs, at a dragstrip..you might not invision, what he is saying.

Don't worry i make plenty of passes, i'm not an internet keyboard racer. I know exactly what he meant. He probably does not have a clue who Jim is or what he has done!!

TFScoupe · 10-25-2007, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bccoupe

Yeah, And I'll be watching you go down the track...... as Im going back down the return road!!! Ha Ha!

You're such a tool.....That has nothing to do with who builds the motor.....Yeah, you have a 900hp car, not everyone does....You need to get over yourself already.....

DSBLK93GT · 10-25-2007, 10:38 AM

My friend has a DSS 331 puting down some good #'s NA in his 95 GT...he got the shortblock then did the rest himself...
http://www.quintinbrothers.com/MUSTANGS/KARL.htm

10-25-2007, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suspect

Ah, I was addressing Suspects confusion symbol, rpmmustang89.

Kato Engineering · 10-25-2007, 01:37 PM

the problem is seen as THEY DONT CARE...

THEY SEEM TO build up any level of power that you want with a STOCK late block...and they dont care if it will bust up or not....

they just want to sell you what you want, at as cheap as can be...

MOST EVERY OTHER LEGITIMATE BUILDER will "JUST NOT BUILD IT" if the customer wants to use a stock late block and wanna make over 450 / 500 or knows that the buyer wants to add a blower / squeeze it ..etc,..

they seem to not have a "conscience'
to need to have long lasting engines with their name on it.
and so, when considered in the upper / mid range of power making potiential, everything that they make blows up....!!!!!!!!!!
as said, they are giant advertisers and have overladen people with a bunch of quap info that just is aimed at selling you something that is using the weak block to begin with....

it seems that they are just a "high production volume" shop,...and are not really a CUSTOM ENGINE SHOP....

some buyers have had problems...and others have not...

sue me if you want,
I dont care...

it is fine that they exist in marketplace..

because when every one of their quap engines split into a 10000 pieces, then i can build a LEGITIMATE ENGINE for the person that got SCREWED BEFORE....!!!!!

defcondaze · 10-25-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kato Engineering

as said, they are giant advertisers and have overladen people with a bunch of quap info that just is aimed at selling you something that is using the weak block to begin with....

i dont understand why u keep bringing them up as "giant advertisers" their website looks like doodie , and they have the same type of ads as all the others in mustang mags

bccoupe · 10-25-2007, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFScoupe

You're such a tool.....That has nothing to do with who builds the motor.....Yeah, you have a 900hp car, not everyone does....You need to get over yourself already.....

Arent you the guy that goes around giving False Info. to people on here? I thought you would have leaned your lesson by now.

dr black coupe · 10-25-2007, 08:22 PM

guess I got what I ask for...lmao

bccoupe · 10-25-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kato Engineering

the problem is seen as THEY DONT CARE...

THEY SEEM TO build up any level of power that you want with a STOCK late block...and they dont care if it will bust up or not....

they just want to sell you what you want, at as cheap as can be...

MOST EVERY OTHER LEGITIMATE BUILDER will "JUST NOT BUILD IT" if the customer wants to use a stock late block and wanna make over 450 / 500 or knows that the buyer wants to add a blower / squeeze it ..etc,..

they seem to not have a "conscience'
to need to have long lasting engines with their name on it.
and so, when considered in the upper / mid range of power making potiential, everything that they make blows up....!!!!!!!!!!
as said, they are giant advertisers and have overladen people with a bunch of quap info that just is aimed at selling you something that is using the weak block to begin with....

it seems that they are just a "high production volume" shop,...and are not really a CUSTOM ENGINE SHOP....

some buyers have had problems...and others have not...

sue me if you want,
I dont care...

it is fine that they exist in marketplace..

because when every one of their quap engines split into a 10000 pieces, then i can build a LEGITIMATE ENGINE for the person that got SCREWED BEFORE....!!!!!

You must be a Real Dumb A$$!!! Everything you said is reverse..... It's the people buying that want to be cheap and cut corners to save money. You mean to tell me that if someone called them and said ... I want to buy a Dart IE, Sonny Bryant crank and so on that DSS would try to talk them out of it??? Or would they be just like you? Your damm right they are gonna sell you what you want. And that works both way's If a customer tells them Im only gonna make 400hp and they sell him a stock block motor and he get's it and sticks a YSI on it. HOW IS THAT THIER FAULT? Ive Got enough sense to be honest about what Im gonna do and ask questions about what I should have to get there. And then say well I'll be lucky that just those other guy's my stock block will be alright with 900hp... Because that what most of the guy's that tear thier stuff up think... It wont happen to me! I can save money. Ha Ha!!! And thats pretty much what your doing to cause your pointing the finger at DSS and ya got 3 pointing back at YOU. Sounds to me that your just jelous of DSS and you wish you had the buisness that they do. I got a motor from them that is moore than I ever thought it would be. Because I told them honestly what I wanted to do which was run 5's in the 1/8th mi. and Ive got a motor that run's 5.70's. But Iguess I should be bashing them to because Im only runnin high 5's when I wanted a low 5 second motor. Damm DSS!!!

TFScoupe · 10-25-2007, 10:19 PM

If your car was half as fast as your mouth, you'd actually have something someone gave a s..h..i..t... about......

bccoupe · 10-26-2007, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFScoupe

If your car was half as fast as your mouth, you'd actually have something someone gave a s..h..i..t... about......

AHH. you just hurt my little feelings. Ha Ha!

10-22-2007, 06:29 PM	#1
dr black coupe Registered User Trader Feedback: (42) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: indy Posts: 518	DSS short/long blocks really thinking of purchasing my engine from dss this winter. just wanted some feedback........pro's/con's or problems. looks like good stuff to me. like to have some opinions first. __________________ quiktim wrote "I had no idea that so many people knew everything until I joined this site. Special thanks to those that help "educate" the world with their unlimited knowledge. "

10-22-2007, 06:51 PM	#3
dr black coupe Registered User Trader Feedback: (42) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: indy Posts: 518	just want to hear results from purchases. __________________ quiktim wrote "I had no idea that so many people knew everything until I joined this site. Special thanks to those that help "educate" the world with their unlimited knowledge. "

10-22-2007, 06:55 PM	#4
LT1HAHA Registered User Trader Feedback: (14) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 2,093	dr black....you have been here long enough to know that a search is recommended before posting questions such as these. There is more than enough info on this board to make a well informed decision on this subject. A simple search will pull up 100's of post. Several which are 2+ pages long! IMHO- I will never again buy anything processed, machined, or woked on by DSS. They are the best in the business about not standing behind their product and their customer NO service. __________________ Road Race 91 Fox with a 383 Stroker 465 rwhp/ 418 rwtq Last edited by LT1HAHA; 10-22-2007 at 07:00 PM.

10-22-2007, 07:06 PM	#5
dr black coupe Registered User Trader Feedback: (42) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: indy Posts: 518	thnx for the criticism, but have never posted in this forum since i've been on here. better to hear new responses any way. __________________ quiktim wrote "I had no idea that so many people knew everything until I joined this site. Special thanks to those that help "educate" the world with their unlimited knowledge. "

10-22-2007, 07:29 PM	#6
onefastsvt Registered User Trader Feedback: (3) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 636	I like mine. No problems 15k mi and counting. __________________ Her name is white lightning. She's loaded with some Griggs stuff, and a plant woody built for me.

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10-22-2007, 06:39 PM	#2
hotroady Guest Posts: n/a	you are going to open a bag of worms on this one. They have a good reputation for machine work. The claims they make for a stock 5.0 block are extreme. I am considering using DSS to machine my Mexican block, because they do a lot of machining for the price. Mostly I prefer the local guys, I've known for 30 years, that stand behind they're work.

10-22-2007, 08:40 PM	#8
dr black coupe Registered User Trader Feedback: (42) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: indy Posts: 518	sounds like we're 50/50 right now __________________ quiktim wrote "I had no idea that so many people knew everything until I joined this site. Special thanks to those that help "educate" the world with their unlimited knowledge. "

10-22-2007, 09:50 PM	#9
svo90 Registered User Trader Feedback: (10) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: carlsbad n.m. Posts: 1,071	ive have 3 motors from them to in the cars running fine both taking in alot of boost. and i have not ran into any problems with them, but i dont like there main girdle at all.

10-22-2007, 10:20 PM	#11
CHARGED 89 331 Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brewster, NY Posts: 236	i have a 331 stroker kit from dss in a b50 block that wasn't assembled by them. it was put together by a local guy, never had a problem. my friend bill 5.0(post's on here) had the same motor assembled by them and the crank snapped. __________________ 01 GT mostly stock as long as a 4V is stock 89 LX S-Trim,AFR 185,DSS 331 with the good stuff,B50 Block,AFM b-451 cam,RPM intake,AFM power pipe,TKO600, SPEC stage 3 tuned by Dez Racing to 517hp and 495tq sold 2006 F250 diesel 6SPD sold

10-23-2007, 09:38 AM	#12
ninety15.0 Registered User Trader Feedback: (3) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 287	I dont have any personal experience with them...but i have seen some horror shows resulting from DSS components. I have heard that their machining quality of late has been suspect and their assembly tolerances have been iffy. Plus, who really wants to deal with a company known for shoddy customer service...especially when you are going to drop a couple grand on a short/long block. That being said there are much better places to buy short/long blocks. CHP and fordstrokers.com come to mind immediately. They have an excellent reputation and good prices as well. __________________ '91 5-spd GT. Gt40 heads, GT40 int, Steeda # 18 cam, 24#, 75mm pro-m, lt's, O/R H, Flows, 3.73's...tweecer tuned

10-23-2007, 10:13 AM	#13
streetfalcon Registered User Trader Feedback: (6) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oakwood, GA Posts: 1,728	a stock block is a stock block is a stock block. I still cannot figure out how removing material makes a block stronger, but anything for marketing I guess. I tuned a 331 with an s-trim and it made 520rwhp. Its been 5-6 months and nothing yet . . .

10-23-2007, 04:25 PM	#14
50calypso Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: C-Bus Ohio Posts: 26	I have about 5,000 miles on mine. Zero problems to date. I made 382rwhp. DSS always answered any questions I had, so no problems with customer service either. Just my experience. __________________ 92 Calypso LX - DSS 347, Holly Systemax II, AFR 185, custom grind Comp cam, Spec stage 3 clutch, 30lb injectors, Long tube headers, Magnapacks, 5 lug disc conv, chrome Y2K Cobra R's, Full length subframe connectors, Steeda C/C plates, Eibach prokit, KYB AGX shocks/struts, and more...

10-24-2007, 06:36 AM	#15
bccoupe Registered User Trader Feedback: (15) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: savannah,ga. Posts: 987	I have a DSS dart 335 long block. They assymbled it oil pan to intake. It runs 5.70's in the 1/8th. I installed the motor back in May and I have not even had the valve covers off of it. It's the best motor Ive ever owened. It's more than I ever expected as far as Quality & Performance. I did have a balancer go bad. I called DSS thinking Id have to buy another even though I did up grade to a higher quality balancer it only cost me 40 bucks. They do quality work and have grate customer service. I am a strong believer in you get what ya pay for. If ya buy a stock block motor and exspect to make over 700hp and it fails I dont think thats thier fault. You just didnt spend enough money for the right parts. Even good parts fail thats murphy's law but people will buy parts that they know are gonna fail with what they are doing and then want to blame the people that sold it to them. If you are honest about what your power level's going to be ,say it's a 1000hp and ya call DSS and tell them that do you honestly think they are gonna recommend a stock block? __________________ Dart363, F2 Procharger, TEA 255 Hi Ports ,Custom Solid Roller Cam, Jessel Shaft Mount Rockers, Tuned by Bob@kurganmotorsports.com http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/bccoupe/?action=view&current=SANY0001-3.flv

10-24-2007, 11:12 AM	#16
nmstangmelvin Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ABQ, NM Posts: 270	great topic. LT1HAHA stop being such a search nazi __________________ --88 mustang gt, 5 speed, with mass air, 3.73 gears, alum drive shaft, cold air, full exhaust, short throw, other wise stock --wife's car: 04 mustang gt witha catback and thats it -- daily driver: 05 accent: 4 cyl stock of course

10-24-2007, 01:41 PM	#17
onefastsvt Registered User Trader Feedback: (3) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 636	DP __________________ Her name is white lightning. She's loaded with some Griggs stuff, and a plant woody built for me. Last edited by onefastsvt; 10-24-2007 at 01:57 PM.

10-24-2007, 02:27 PM	#19
rpmmustang89 Registered User Trader Feedback: (19) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 2,739	i know i'd be going to see Jim at fordstrokers.com __________________ 91 LX stock other than 2.5 catback and CAI 89GT 357W H/C/I, SOLD 70 Charger R/T 440/auto

10-25-2007, 02:21 AM	#21
Suspect Registered User Trader Feedback: (9) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: GA. Posts: 363

10-25-2007, 04:23 AM	#22
hotroady Guest Posts: n/a	If your not familiar w runs, at a dragstrip..you might not invision, what he is saying.

10-25-2007, 04:53 AM	#23
Kato Engineering Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Devore Hts, Calif...FIRE COUNTRY Posts: 17,858	DSS just has a cheap engine with a bunch of cheap quap that uses a stock block and a BUNCH of adveretising... dont think that they actually make any more power than what anyone else can with the same parts... as with any company that has giant advertising budgets...they usually all hipe up all the things as being bigger than life....and say that they do thinhgs that others dont or cant do... the fact is, they are just a mass - high production engine shop... when you spend your hard earned money, you should buy a better block...and dont use a late block for making anything that you want to be RELIABLE...... __________________ I have gone down the road that you are only now about to travel. tires are the great equalizer a degree wheel, EIGHT INCH dial caliper & adjustable pushrods should be just as normal as a 1/2" wrench in your toolbox there aint no shortcuts to doing it RIGHT....

10-25-2007, 09:33 AM	#24
ponie1992 Registered User Trader Feedback: (4) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 1,240	I have a friend that has a DSS 306 with Trick Flow top half. We installed it over 2 years ago and no problems to date. It is a street car that seldom sees track time, but so far so good. __________________ John 3:16 1992 Mustang SSP Coupe 1991 Mustang LX Convertible

10-25-2007, 10:38 AM	#27
DSBLK93GT Registered User Trader Feedback: (41) Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Plattsburgh,NY, US Posts: 5,278	My friend has a DSS 331 puting down some good #'s NA in his 95 GT...he got the shortblock then did the rest himself... http://www.quintinbrothers.com/MUSTANGS/KARL.htm __________________ *'93 LX* reef blue, 5spd, Vortech Si-Trim, 6037s, stock cam, 1.7 Cobra rockers, Cobra intake, 65mm TB, 60lbers, 90mm MAF, Diablo MAFia, etc *'98 GT* Silver, 5spd, 2.73 gears, SLP LMII, BBK offroad x, Pro 5.0, AEM intake, Diablo Predator 14.28@96.50 with a 2.16 60ft

10-25-2007, 01:37 PM	#29
Kato Engineering Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Devore Hts, Calif...FIRE COUNTRY Posts: 17,858	the problem is seen as THEY DONT CARE... THEY SEEM TO build up any level of power that you want with a STOCK late block...and they dont care if it will bust up or not.... they just want to sell you what you want, at as cheap as can be... MOST EVERY OTHER LEGITIMATE BUILDER will "JUST NOT BUILD IT" if the customer wants to use a stock late block and wanna make over 450 / 500 or knows that the buyer wants to add a blower / squeeze it ..etc,.. they seem to not have a "conscience' to need to have long lasting engines with their name on it. and so, when considered in the upper / mid range of power making potiential, everything that they make blows up....!!!!!!!!!! as said, they are giant advertisers and have overladen people with a bunch of quap info that just is aimed at selling you something that is using the weak block to begin with.... it seems that they are just a "high production volume" shop,...and are not really a CUSTOM ENGINE SHOP.... some buyers have had problems...and others have not... sue me if you want, I dont care... it is fine that they exist in marketplace.. because when every one of their quap engines split into a 10000 pieces, then i can build a LEGITIMATE ENGINE for the person that got SCREWED BEFORE....!!!!! __________________ I have gone down the road that you are only now about to travel. tires are the great equalizer a degree wheel, EIGHT INCH dial caliper & adjustable pushrods should be just as normal as a 1/2" wrench in your toolbox there aint no shortcuts to doing it RIGHT....

10-25-2007, 08:22 PM	#32
dr black coupe Registered User Trader Feedback: (42) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: indy Posts: 518	guess I got what I ask for...lmao __________________ quiktim wrote "I had no idea that so many people knew everything until I joined this site. Special thanks to those that help "educate" the world with their unlimited knowledge. "

10-25-2007, 10:19 PM	#34
TFScoupe Registered User Trader Feedback: (13) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 905	If your car was half as fast as your mouth, you'd actually have something someone gave a s..h..i..t... about......

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