My DIY turbo kit is underway...PICS!!!

[millhouse]

Well...here are a couple more pics.

I finally recieved my bov...as mentioned before a tial knockoff.



And...here are a couple of crude pics of my gauges. Again, mentioned before to be autometer cobalt h20 temperature, boost and my innovative x-16 afr.

[Stang Man]

Gauges look great, I've got the Cobalt series as well but I'll need a WB O2 sensor as well, gonna have to find somewhere to mount it.

How did you get your dash gauges blue? I'm guessing there is a green film on the inside of the gauges and you just replaced it with some blue?

Arron

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by Stang Man

Gauges look great, I've got the Cobalt series as well but I'll need a WB O2 sensor as well, gonna have to find somewhere to mount it.

How did you get your dash gauges blue? I'm guessing there is a green film on the inside of the gauges and you just replaced it with some blue?

Arron

Blue led's. You can see my brief comparison here...

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=789853

[Erich]

Looks cool with the blue.
Erich

[87mustang347]

hey good job with the install, glad to hear you;ve worked out a lot of the bugs and are now enjoying the car. sry im a bit late to post but i got a few questions too as this has always seemed like a project id like to get into with my next stang.

how many miles does the explyer motor have

how much did you pay for it

and how did you know what size tubing to use from the turbos to the i/c and so on?

jorge

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by 87mustang347

hey good job with the install, glad to hear you;ve worked out a lot of the bugs and are now enjoying the car. sry im a bit late to post but i got a few questions too as this has always seemed like a project id like to get into with my next stang.

how many miles does the explyer motor have

how much did you pay for it

and how did you know what size tubing to use from the turbos to the i/c and so on?

jorge

Lets see...the exploder motor has ~ 60k on it. I bought it for ~ $550...and I turned around and sold the upper intake for $200. Hell...after my recent headswap I sold the gt40p's for $250.

As far as sizes go...I researched the hell out of the whole combo. Turbomustangs.com has a huge database you can search through (key word being search). I try not to ask to many questions over there though as there tend to be many a-holes who bitch about it.

[87mustang347]

yah i kinda figured that about them. i just went over there and it seens like they get irratated when people ask question because of the huge amounts of write ups they have. what made go with twins instead of just a single turbo?

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by 87mustang347

yah i kinda figured that about them. i just went over there and it seens like they get irratated when people ask question because of the huge amounts of write ups they have. what made go with twins instead of just a single turbo?

Well, the turbo's seem to be somewhat plentyfull...fairly cheap and seem easy to rebuild. The hot side is much easier to fabricate...although the cold side is a bit more difficult. In the end it really doesnt matter...as both twins and singles can put out wicked levels of h/p.

[linkmustang1235]

what are the waste gates set at

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by linkmustang1235

what are the waste gates set at

They are non-adjustable, so they are set to whatever the stock setting is. With the gt40p heads that translated into 8lbs of boost without a boost controller. With the trick flow heads I suspect the boost will go down to between 4 & 6 lbs (due to the better head flow numbers).

[linkmustang1235]

cause my exteranl wastgate have 8 psi spring and i have to so that mean 16 pounds of boost

[Erich]

It will be cool to see the difference with the trick flows. You are already making "mad power". Also, since I have GT40Ps now I can evaluate the upgrade.......
Two 8# wastegates does not equal 16# of boost. Think of it simple: the wastegate is just a pressure operated diaphram. The ENTIRE system feels the boost since however many turbos there are, there is only one engine/intake. So as your turbos spool up the sytsem gets pressurized. EACH waste gate will feel about the same pressure off the compressor outlet line. So when the pressure reaches 8#, they will both push open and release to regulate the system pressure at 8.
If you plumb them to the intake instead, there is pressure drop so they can be fooled into opening at a higher compressor outlet pressure. But the wastegate settings are still not additive.
Erich

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by Erich

It will be cool to see the difference with the trick flows. You are already making "mad power". Also, since I have GT40Ps now I can evaluate the upgrade.......
Erich

I hear ya…our combo's have been quite similar it seems since day one.

For now I'm tuning the damn megasquirt with the wastegates disconnected. Until I get a good base tune and figure out what the hell I'm doing….boost will not be an option.

[86strokerlx]

Hey, Millhouse, I thought I would bring this to your attention. I recognized the first picture your posted.... couldn't figure out why for a couple minutes then I realized I saw it on eBay today. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Musta...spagenameZWDVW

Looks like the same one to me. You selling or did someone rip off your picture? Just curious. Killer project, man. I'm diggin' it, bigtime. Mike

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by 86strokerlx

Hey, Millhouse, I thought I would bring this to your attention. I recognized the first picture your posted.... couldn't figure out why for a couple minutes then I realized I saw it on eBay today. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Musta...spagenameZWDVW

Looks like the same one to me. You selling or did someone rip off your picture? Just curious. Killer project, man. I'm diggin' it, bigtime. Mike

Bwahhaahaaha

Yeah...it looks like someone ripped off my pic. It's all good though.

[TL351LX]

subscribing!

[millhouse]

Just an update. I'm re-posting the pics as my old hosting site went down. I'm adding some dyno results and vid's at the bottom of this post. Soo....well start with the hotside....



Drivers side...















Passenger side...

[millhouse]

On to the cold side...

This is how the two turbo's come together before the intercooler









And on to the intercooler...













And the turbo drain (sence been updated with welded bungs & push-loc hose & fittings...



You can see my old oil feed setup in this image. I've sence tapped the main logg and switched to push-loc fittings for a cleaner look.





And here is the latest pic I have of the setup...again, it's now a bit cleaner and has an updated oil feed and drain setup.



Here is the dyno results...



And the link to a few of my latest vids...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...ea0150d4a0.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...Ver_141332.htm

[93gtman]

very nice job

[stockhatch]

Nice setup and numbers. What does your exhaust consist of post downpipes? It almost sounds like is just piped out the back sans mufflers...Cool vids, it looks like things get interesting pretty fast once boost hits.

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by stockhatch

Nice setup and numbers. What does your exhaust consist of post downpipes? It almost sounds like is just piped out the back sans mufflers...Cool vids, it looks like things get interesting pretty fast once boost hits.

Thanks!

As far as the exhuast goes...you got it! It's straight out the back...with no mufflers or cats.

[eighty8gtfiveo]

awesome dyno vid.. the muppets are great.

[stockhatch]

Millhouse, what vesion of MS do you run, and does it control the AIC valve? Do you have any idle issues from cold to hot? Watching your AF guage under cruise and WOT, it looks like you have that tune nailed down pretty well.

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by stockhatch

Millhouse, what vesion of MS do you run, and does it control the AIC valve? Do you have any idle issues from cold to hot? Watching your AF guage under cruise and WOT, it looks like you have that tune nailed down pretty well.

I'm running the high_res version of MSNS-E…and I am now controlling the IAC valve. During the spring/summer/fall it starts very quickly and idles well….although I don't have the IAC settings nailed down yet so I end up having my idle set a bit high (900-950rpm range). I still have some tweaking to do with my AFR's…although they are pretty darn close to what I want them to be (thanks for noticing).

[93gtman]

Originally Posted by millhouse

I'm running the high_res version of MSNS-E…and I am now controlling the IAC valve. During the spring/summer/fall it starts very quickly and idles well….although I don't have the IAC settings nailed down yet so I end up having my idle set a bit high (900-950rpm range). I still have some tweaking to do with my AFR's…although they are pretty darn close to what I want them to be (thanks for noticing).

i am running MSNS-E where did you get the High res version? and is it better for idle and iac control. i wished you lived by me to help me fine tune mine for idle and cold start that is the hardest part. it idle ok when warm but wants to stall when cold. if you get a chance if you can send me your file so i can take a look at some of your after start and warm up wizard settings i think that is where my problem is.

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by 93gtman

i am running MSNS-E where did you get the High res version? and is it better for idle and iac control. i wished you lived by me to help me fine tune mine for idle and cold start that is the hardest part. it idle ok when warm but wants to stall when cold. if you get a chance if you can send me your file so i can take a look at some of your after start and warm up wizard settings i think that is where my problem is.

You can get it here... http://www.msextra.com/viewtopic.php?t=25336

If your idle pulse widths are anywhere around 3.0ms or below...it will absolutely help with better idle quality (IAC control remains the same). You will want to scale your VE table (adjust req_fuel and recalculate table) so that your high load/rpm area is a higher number (above 200 is good). This will give you a smoother table and allow you to make finer adjustments.

Unfortunately I don't have my .msq ready right now to send you. I will say that my cold starts are not the best (under 40*), but everything above that seems pretty good. I just haven't had a chance to fine tune it this year.

[93gtman]

The settings you just mentioned can they be adjusted in the non-high res code? any if so i will check that out when i get the car started and running after the turbo install right now im mocking up everything. i will be posting my build soon on here. if you get your msq i dont care if it is perfect i just want to compare it to mine so let me know when you can send it..it will help me out alot.
thanks again man
Paul

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by 93gtman

The settings you just mentioned can they be adjusted in the non-high res code? any if so i will check that out when i get the car started and running after the turbo install right now im mocking up everything. i will be posting my build soon on here. if you get your msq i dont care if it is perfect i just want to compare it to mine so let me know when you can send it..it will help me out alot.
thanks again man
Paul

It will help with smoothing out the VE table...and making finer adjustments, but it will not give you the finer resolution needed at lower pulsewidths.

The next time I get on my other computer I'll see if I can't find the .msq for you. Keep in mind, it will be for reference only...as there will be quite a few differences between your and my setup.

[93gtman]

If you can that will be great... Thank you very much millhouse for you help

Paul

[Speedy911]

Looks good!
Got me going crazy waiting on my kit.
Damn BG is behind -_-

[Sic5OhhSC]

NM I just read ha

Nice, didnt know it was this old.

[millhouse]

More pics!

[93gtman]

millhouse what PVC setup did you go with?

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by 93gtman

millhouse what PVC setup did you go with?

I actually swapped over to a turbocoupe pcv valve along with 2 baffled valve cover breathers. I only switched in attempt to cure the dipstick tube blowing out....but I believe the actual cause was valve stem seals (which I changed out at the same time).

[got9lbs]

millhouse- couple of quick ???? First I assume you had to swap out the stock p/s for a different year? Also no chance that you could run a/c if you wanted to ?