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white02stang · 02-12-2004, 12:27 AM

I know the machs have different heads than the 01 cobras so does anyone know if this kit would even fit on a mach 1. Also how much HP are you getting from this mod from a just bolt on car with no power adders? What are the diferences in the cam sizes too.

Thanks

SLVR01COBRA · 02-12-2004, 06:05 AM

I believe the mach 1 has the same heads as the NEW cobra and marauder. I think they are 99 cobra intake cams and navigator exhaust cams. I think the FR500 kit should fit any tumble port head.

blacksnake305 · 02-12-2004, 07:23 AM

Yes. it will fit! I can get you the FR500 valvetrain kit for $1250 out the door: administrator@eastsidemotorsports.net

Chris

hobbstc · 02-12-2004, 10:28 AM

Will the FR500 kit fit my B heads on my 97?

Modular Performance · 02-12-2004, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hobbstc
Will the FR500 kit fit my B heads on my 97?

The FR valvetrain will fit ALL '93 - current 4.6/5.4 DOHC heads.

jtack · 02-12-2004, 09:42 PM

Whats included in the fr500 kit and how much hp increase on an otherwise stock 4v?

99SVTAddict · 02-13-2004, 09:29 AM

E-mail Chris at administrator@eastsidemotorsports.net . He added this to his own motor and has worked with others that have done so as well. He just doesn't frequent this board everyday, so e-mail will be much faster for you.

KIKN ASP · 02-13-2004, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Whats included in the fr500 kit and how much hp increase on an otherwise stock 4v?

Quote:

E-mail Chris at administrator@eastsidemotorsports.net . He added this to his own motor and has worked with others that have done so as well. He just doesn't frequent this board everyday, so e-mail will be much faster for you.

Consider posting his reply, since quite a few of us would like to know the answer to your question. I'm sure he doesn't want to get several emails asking the same questions. Thanks.

jtack · 02-13-2004, 04:03 PM

I sent an email and I will post his reply as soon as I get it.

KIKN ASP · 02-13-2004, 05:05 PM

Thanks.

Boss 330 · 02-14-2004, 08:41 AM

The FR500 kit has...Cams, springs, valves, cam followers,valve stem seals,and four new sprocket bolts. All high quality parts. It's worth about 18-20 hp on a mild engine and I have seen it make 800+ at 20 pounds of boost.

Angus · 02-14-2004, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by white02stang
I know the machs have different heads than the 01 cobras so does anyone know if this kit would even fit on a mach 1. Also how much HP are you getting from this mod from a just bolt on car with no power adders? What are the diferences in the cam sizes too.

Thanks

I'm not too sure why you would want to do this swap on a Mach 1 4V???

Hp/Tq improvements probably wouldn't be as high on the later '03+ improved heads as on the earlier '96 - '01 heads...

jtack · 02-14-2004, 08:37 PM

Heres the reply I got from chris:

The FR500 Valvetrain Kit comes with the following items:

FR500 cams .472 lift @.050 duration around 209x/219i
High flow stainless steel valves (as good or better than any on the market)
High rev/higher strength rockers
High lift/high strength springs w/ titanium retainers
As far as power is concerned, Its hard to know. FRPP doesn't give any power figures for the kit by itself, and when i put the kit on my motor, i did alot of other things as well. But if I was forced to guess, i'd say about 15rwhp & 25rwtq (on a bone stock application). The FR500 valvetrain kits' main focus is to provide a strong flat TQ curve while increasing HP as well. You will NOT see peaky gains with these cams. Rather, you'll see a TQ/HP gain across the curve. Lots of people tend to focus on "peak" numbers, but anyone who's 'informed' understands that its the "Area Under the Curve" that counts. If you interested in the kit, let me know. I can have it to your door in 3 days...

I wonder what an upper/lower ported and polished, spacer, and fr500 kit would gain?

MP John · 02-14-2004, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jtack
Heres the reply I got from chris:

The FR500 Valvetrain Kit comes with the following items:

High rev/higher strength rockers No - Just some old 4.0L

High lift/high strength springs w/ titanium retainers Same old stock retainers

Boss 330 · 02-14-2004, 10:50 PM

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FR500 cams .472 lift @.050 duration around 209x/219i

FR500 cams.... Checked with a solid adjuster in place..Int.214@.050 .468 lift Exh.204@.050 .469 lift

Springs....avg. 70# seat and avg. 200# open

blacksnake305 · 02-16-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by Boss 330
FR500 cams.... Checked with a solid adjuster in place..Int.214@.050 .468 lift Exh.204@.050 .469 lift

Springs....avg. 70# seat and avg. 200# open

good info boss. The info i provided was based on a chart i used at Hensler Racing. And that is because FRPP does not advertise the cam specs as we would like. Accordinng to Hensler's conversion chart, 12mm lift = .472@050. As for the dur, i knew i was close, but not right on the money...

blacksnake305 · 02-16-2004, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MP John
High rev/higher strength rockers No - Just some old 4.0L

High lift/high strength springs w/ titanium retainers Same old stock retainers

Not according to my sources. thanks for your opinion though...
And i've seen the rockers, I dont know where they sourced them from but i do know that they ARE much beefier than my stockers (the whole body of the rocker that is)...

KIKN ASP · 02-16-2004, 09:16 AM

How involved is the install of the kit? In other words, how many hours of labor (estimate) to install?

MP John · 02-16-2004, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by blacksnake305
Not according to my sources. thanks for your opinion though...
And i've seen the rockers, I dont know where they sourced them from but i do know that they ARE much beefier than my stockers (the whole body of the rocker that is)...

Let me set you straight - again.
The rockers used in the FR500 kit were originally used in the 4.0L SOHC engine. Ford changed the 4.0L SOHC rockers for cost cutting reasons a couple of years ago. These FR rockers are not special design/high performance pieces. Just old stock 4.0L SOHC.

That's a fact not an opinion!

MP John · 02-16-2004, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KIKN ASP
How involved is the install of the kit? In other words, how many hours of labor (estimate) to install?

You need to pull the engine, remove the heads etc etc etc. Installing the kit requires a valve job.

If the heads are off the block or soon going to be, it's the best bang for the buck out there.

johndt351 · 02-16-2004, 07:35 PM

do you have to get new lash adjusters also, or can you reuse your old ones?
Are the angles different on the new valves?

Boss 330 · 02-16-2004, 07:56 PM

Quote:

do you have to get new lash adjusters also,

No..

Quote:

Are the angles different on the new valves?

No..

johndt351 · 02-16-2004, 08:36 PM

thanks

TommyD · 04-26-2007, 06:57 PM

So is it worth trying to find some of these roller finger followers?

swtmustangman · 04-29-2007, 12:42 PM

I've searched for days and cannot find a sound clip of the fr500 valvetrain. I really would like to hear how they sound. I know they won't lobe very much, but I still want to hear a difference. The amount of parts included in this kit is awesome. You can't piece this kit together any cheaper! Can't wait to order mine....anyone know where I can get a sound clip of a near stock 4v with fr500 valvetrain?

Bob Cosby · 04-29-2007, 01:36 PM

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...6afe885eee.htm (don't be fooled by the dog in the beginning....LOL)

http://media.putfile.com/FR500-Cam-kit

swtmustangman · 04-29-2007, 03:24 PM

wow it does sound a lot like stock...you have to really listen to hear any lobe. Still cool in my book. How is the performance with this kit (seat of pants wise)?

Rev Happy · 04-29-2007, 05:30 PM

Is this valvetrain good to 7500+rpm?

02-12-2004, 12:27 AM	#1
white02stang Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Pearland Texas Posts: 57	FR550 valvetrain on Mach1??? I know the machs have different heads than the 01 cobras so does anyone know if this kit would even fit on a mach 1. Also how much HP are you getting from this mod from a just bolt on car with no power adders? What are the diferences in the cam sizes too. Thanks __________________ 90 lx hatchback-sold 95 gt supercharged-sold 02 gt bolt-ons 13.2-sold 03 mach1 100shot-sold ;97 cobra-mods coming soon

02-12-2004, 06:05 AM	#2
SLVR01COBRA Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 506	I believe the mach 1 has the same heads as the NEW cobra and marauder. I think they are 99 cobra intake cams and navigator exhaust cams. I think the FR500 kit should fit any tumble port head. __________________ 2001 Mustang Cobra RIP 6/13/04 2:30am EST Dallas Speed cal for mustang Tremec $90 shipped. www.amfracing.com

02-12-2004, 07:23 AM	#3
blacksnake305 Registered User Trader Feedback: (3) Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: USA Posts: 1,594	Yes. it will fit! I can get you the FR500 valvetrain kit for $1250 out the door: administrator@eastsidemotorsports.net Chris __________________ H/C/KB 01 Cobra

02-12-2004, 09:42 PM	#6
jtack Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14	Whats included in the fr500 kit and how much hp increase on an otherwise stock 4v? __________________ 03 Mach 1 5sp DSG JLT CAI PHP Intake Spacer Pro 5.0 Shifter Borla Stinger Cat Back 4.30's Modified Ford Trac Loc 283 RWP Stock 301 Torque Stock

02-13-2004, 04:03 PM	#9
jtack Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14	I sent an email and I will post his reply as soon as I get it. __________________ 03 Mach 1 5sp DSG JLT CAI PHP Intake Spacer Pro 5.0 Shifter Borla Stinger Cat Back 4.30's Modified Ford Trac Loc 283 RWP Stock 301 Torque Stock

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02-12-2004, 10:28 AM	#4
hobbstc Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 117	Will the FR500 kit fit my B heads on my 97?

02-13-2004, 09:29 AM	#7
99SVTAddict Registered User Trader Feedback: (1) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Clinton Twp, Michigan Posts: 583	E-mail Chris at administrator@eastsidemotorsports.net . He added this to his own motor and has worked with others that have done so as well. He just doesn't frequent this board everyday, so e-mail will be much faster for you.

02-13-2004, 05:05 PM	#10
KIKN ASP Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sterling, Virginia Posts: 150	Thanks. __________________ KIKN ASP 2001 Black Cobra Coupe #372 of 3867 MODS: Drivetrain: 4.10 gears, Steeda tri-Ax, MGW shift handle Power: 87mm Pro-M MAF, Bassani X-Pipe, MAC Cat-Back, JBA 1 5/8 shorty headers, Steeda Pullies, JLT CAI, Custom Tuned SCT Suspension: PHP Brace & IRS bushings, MM IRS subframe bushings, MM full length SFC, MM coil-overs, Bilstein shocks & struts, MM CC Plates Misc: 17X9 SSR Polished Aluminum Wheels, 285 Kuhmo MXs, FR500 Steering wheel Dyno #s: (SAE corrected) 309 rwhp/ 304 rwtq

02-14-2004, 08:41 AM	#11
Boss 330 Moderator Trader Feedback: (2) Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lock Monster Posts: 1,918	The FR500 kit has...Cams, springs, valves, cam followers,valve stem seals,and four new sprocket bolts. All high quality parts. It's worth about 18-20 hp on a mild engine and I have seen it make 800+ at 20 pounds of boost. __________________ 5.4 N/A Cobra, 593 rwhp. http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea...420/index.html http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...0405mm_4valve/ Boss330Racing.com http://musclemustangfastfords.com/ev...p_051100_shot/ http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...bra/index.html Home of the 2004 NMRA Factory stock national champion.

02-14-2004, 08:37 PM	#13
jtack Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14	Heres the reply I got from chris: The FR500 Valvetrain Kit comes with the following items: FR500 cams .472 lift @.050 duration around 209x/219i High flow stainless steel valves (as good or better than any on the market) High rev/higher strength rockers High lift/high strength springs w/ titanium retainers As far as power is concerned, Its hard to know. FRPP doesn't give any power figures for the kit by itself, and when i put the kit on my motor, i did alot of other things as well. But if I was forced to guess, i'd say about 15rwhp & 25rwtq (on a bone stock application). The FR500 valvetrain kits' main focus is to provide a strong flat TQ curve while increasing HP as well. You will NOT see peaky gains with these cams. Rather, you'll see a TQ/HP gain across the curve. Lots of people tend to focus on "peak" numbers, but anyone who's 'informed' understands that its the "Area Under the Curve" that counts. If you interested in the kit, let me know. I can have it to your door in 3 days... I wonder what an upper/lower ported and polished, spacer, and fr500 kit would gain? __________________ 03 Mach 1 5sp DSG JLT CAI PHP Intake Spacer Pro 5.0 Shifter Borla Stinger Cat Back 4.30's Modified Ford Trac Loc 283 RWP Stock 301 Torque Stock

02-16-2004, 09:16 AM	#18
KIKN ASP Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sterling, Virginia Posts: 150	How involved is the install of the kit? In other words, how many hours of labor (estimate) to install? __________________ KIKN ASP 2001 Black Cobra Coupe #372 of 3867 MODS: Drivetrain: 4.10 gears, Steeda tri-Ax, MGW shift handle Power: 87mm Pro-M MAF, Bassani X-Pipe, MAC Cat-Back, JBA 1 5/8 shorty headers, Steeda Pullies, JLT CAI, Custom Tuned SCT Suspension: PHP Brace & IRS bushings, MM IRS subframe bushings, MM full length SFC, MM coil-overs, Bilstein shocks & struts, MM CC Plates Misc: 17X9 SSR Polished Aluminum Wheels, 285 Kuhmo MXs, FR500 Steering wheel Dyno #s: (SAE corrected) 309 rwhp/ 304 rwtq

02-16-2004, 07:35 PM	#21
johndt351 Registered User Trader Feedback: (2) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Marion, IN Posts: 3,503	do you have to get new lash adjusters also, or can you reuse your old ones? Are the angles different on the new valves? __________________ 2006 IHRA Divisional Qualifier Mod Eliminator '04 Black SVT Focus '23 T-bucket Altered-Ford Bodied, Chevy motivated Last edited by johndt351; 02-16-2004 at 07:47 PM.

02-16-2004, 08:36 PM	#23
johndt351 Registered User Trader Feedback: (2) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Marion, IN Posts: 3,503	thanks __________________ 2006 IHRA Divisional Qualifier Mod Eliminator '04 Black SVT Focus '23 T-bucket Altered-Ford Bodied, Chevy motivated

04-26-2007, 06:57 PM	#24
TommyD Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 121	So is it worth trying to find some of these roller finger followers?

04-29-2007, 12:42 PM	#25
swtmustangman Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 158	I've searched for days and cannot find a sound clip of the fr500 valvetrain. I really would like to hear how they sound. I know they won't lobe very much, but I still want to hear a difference. The amount of parts included in this kit is awesome. You can't piece this kit together any cheaper! Can't wait to order mine....anyone know where I can get a sound clip of a near stock 4v with fr500 valvetrain?

04-29-2007, 01:36 PM	#26
Bob Cosby Corral Charter Member Trader Feedback: (3) Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 13,658	http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...6afe885eee.htm (don't be fooled by the dog in the beginning....LOL) http://media.putfile.com/FR500-Cam-kit __________________ Bob Cosby, USN (Retired) 99 Cobra 2005 Harley FXDWG Dyna Wide Glide

04-29-2007, 03:24 PM	#27
swtmustangman Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 158	wow it does sound a lot like stock...you have to really listen to hear any lobe. Still cool in my book. How is the performance with this kit (seat of pants wise)?

04-29-2007, 05:30 PM	#28
Rev Happy Registered User Trader Feedback: (0) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toluca Lake, CA Posts: 2,210	Is this valvetrain good to 7500+rpm?

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