Trick Flow Numbers are IN!

Modular Depot · 07-02-2009, 04:31 PM

Just got done with the first dyno on our first Trickflow car.

The car is owned by Chris Durbin and was already a built 2v. It was ported PI heads, stock intake, Comp 278 cams, C&L plenum and a Mac cold air intake. Numbers were 305 rwhp / 316 rwtq on 93 octane.

We decided to only swap the heads to get a good comparison. Plus he wasn't after alot of power as he run the car in NASA American Iron and it has a power to weight ratio spec. We swapped on the 38cc heads.

I'm happy to say the gains were what we were hoping for if not better! Obviously we picked up about a point of compression with the swap but we are still running pump gas.
New numbers are

353 RWHP 357 RWTQ

That peak gains of 48 rwhp and 33 rwtq!

I'm sure with a better intake and cams ground specifically for this setup there is plenty more on the table. Then add some porting some some tricky stuff to the shortblock

and big power NA 2v's are going to become a reality.

2k2GT · 07-02-2009, 04:40 PM

Wow....now that's entry level boosted performance, without the added weight and extra variables to tune around! I imagine the Trick Flow manifold and compression would get up near the 400's.........N/A!

ROG30Y · 07-02-2009, 04:56 PM

that is very very impressive!!!!

no good reason to go to a old 5.0l car anymore.

jayfitzy · 07-02-2009, 04:59 PM

Thanks for the info. I cannot wait to see the numbers the N/A guys will make with these heads. I might have to see my port 2v heads and get a set!

Purple Haze · 07-02-2009, 05:24 PM

Very nice.

Can you talk about the changes in tuning made from a PI-headed 2v tune to a Trick Flow head tune?

Thanks

00perfredgt5s · 07-02-2009, 06:16 PM

Looks impressive. Thanks for the info.

mystichris@MD · 07-02-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jayfitzy

Thanks for the info. I cannot wait to see the numbers the N/A guys will make with these heads. I might have to see my port 2v heads and get a set!

Whenever you're ready to bolt on some more power with the heads give me a call at 1-877-234-5551.

-Chris

kevman · 07-02-2009, 06:30 PM

That's very good results

realitygt · 07-02-2009, 06:36 PM

did the car have longtubes or anything else?

really looking into getting a set of these lately... I wanna see what a 5.4 would do with these heads

Modular Depot · 07-02-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Very nice.

Can you talk about the changes in tuning made from a PI-headed 2v tune to a Trick Flow head tune?

Thanks

Nothing major. Most of the changes were made because of the increase in compression.

Modular Depot · 07-02-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by realitygt

did the car have longtubes or anything else?

really looking into getting a set of these lately... I wanna see what a 5.4 would do with these heads

Yes, It has longtubes but I really think a set with larger primaries would help. These are 1 5/8"

orangetrak · 07-02-2009, 10:06 PM

Am I mistaken or are those LS1/2 numbers with 50 less cubes?

2k2GT · 07-02-2009, 11:13 PM

03mustangGT07 · 07-02-2009, 11:30 PM

Can't wait to get some.

riph22a · 07-03-2009, 01:52 AM

nice numbers but now i won't be able to call bs when some dude comes up in his catback/k&n mustang and says he puts down 330.

04Ryan · 07-03-2009, 02:05 AM

Looks like Trick Flow did their homework on these...I imagine a set of these with bigger chambers and a set of blower cams would be right at home on my car. Although I'm afraid my stock shortblock would go into early retirement!

Speeds8erM-1 · 07-03-2009, 02:43 AM

SAE? 278AH cams? Any clearance issues? Any accessories off for the dyno on either run?

97BlackSteed · 07-03-2009, 03:57 AM

Thats outstanding....hopefully this will be appreciated by the 2V crowd and Trick Flow will sell hundreds and hundreds of sets.

orangetrak · 07-03-2009, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Speeds8erM-1

SAE? 278AH cams? Any clearance issues? Any accessories off for the dyno on either run?

Should not be any clearance issues even with huge cams as Trick Flow moved the intake valve to the opposite side of the chamber for that exact reason. No fly cuts in the pistons required.

Speeds8erM-1 · 07-03-2009, 04:35 AM

Really? Thats good #### then!

2k2GT · 07-03-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by riph22a

nice numbers but now i won't be able to call bs when some dude comes up in his catback/k&n mustang and says he puts down 330.

Guy here that works at AutoZone told me his 2003 GT special SHELBY Edition put down 400whp....no blower, no nitrous. All motor. Beat that.

Modular Depot · 07-03-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Speeds8erM-1

SAE? 278AH cams? Any clearance issues? Any accessories off for the dyno on either run?

SAE, Comp 278AH's and no clearance issues.

Car does not have A/C

aggie97 · 07-03-2009, 10:30 AM

good to see the increase in torque between 4k and 5500....but at that power level, 3350lbs is going to be pretty heavy for an AI car. I would go with a smaller cam and get the power down in the 320/330 range and tune for max torque curve. What was his final compression ratio?

I am sort of glad I didn't become the guinea pig on these....I would have made WAY too much power with my setup!!!

Not often someone is worried about making too much power!!!

If I refresh my big bore motor, I might lower the compression from 12.7:1 and shoot for 10:1 with these heads and be able to run pump gas again.

Keep us posted as I would like to see how these do in a road race environment.

AI#97

BULLITT1992 · 07-03-2009, 11:21 AM

Good stuff!

SxyNerd · 07-03-2009, 04:44 PM

What kind of ported heads did you have in the Beginning? Home port or Professional port? Stock valves?

If it's just a home port and stock valves those gains are nothing special.

Modular Depot · 07-03-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aggie97

good to see the increase in torque between 4k and 5500....but at that power level, 3350lbs is going to be pretty heavy for an AI car. I would go with a smaller cam and get the power down in the 320/330 range and tune for max torque curve. What was his final compression ratio?

I am sort of glad I didn't become the guinea pig on these....I would have made WAY too much power with my setup!!!

Not often someone is worried about making too much power!!!

If I refresh my big bore motor, I might lower the compression from 12.7:1 and shoot for 10:1 with these heads and be able to run pump gas again.

Keep us posted as I would like to see how these do in a road race environment.

AI#97

Don't worry, were' not done yet.

Need to think outside the box on this one. Car should come in at around 2900 lbs, maybe just a bit more.

Modular Depot · 07-03-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyNerd

What kind of ported heads did you have in the Beginning? Home port or Professional port? Stock valves?

If it's just a home port and stock valves those gains are nothing special.

Well, first off forget the gains, show me any PI headed car at 11:1 compression making anywhere near this power with a stock intake.

They were Fox Lake Stage II heads.

kevman · 07-03-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyNerd

What kind of ported heads did you have in the Beginning? Home port or Professional port? Stock valves?

If it's just a home port and stock valves those gains are nothing special.

What if the first set had been box stock? Think of the improvement from a stock headed standpoint. Maybe 75hp?

Some people are never satisfied.

2k2GT · 07-03-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kevman

Some people are never satisfied.

It's typical Internet Warrior Ideology. Anything you did, someone can ALWAYS do better, cheaper, and last longer. Gets real old, real quick.

stoffer · 07-03-2009, 06:07 PM

I like the gains above 4500 rpms, right where my truck chokes off

wytstang · 07-03-2009, 06:21 PM

WOW great power gains.

SxyNerd · 07-03-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Modular Depot

Well, first off forget the gains, show me any PI headed car at 11:1 compression making anywhere near this power with a stock intake.

They were Fox Lake Stage II heads.

A dyno can be made to say or do almost anything a tuner wants it to. You guys at MD should know that better than anyone since you guys run a world class shop. Asking what heads were on there before was in no way an off base question. Asking for as much information as possible is the responsibility of EVERYONE looking to buy a product.

It has nothing to do with not being satisfied; I want clarification and so do most people willing to risk $2k+ for a set of early production new heads. At least with Fox Lake heads they are known for their results.

aggie97 · 07-03-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Modular Depot

Don't worry, were' not done yet.

Need to think outside the box on this one. Car should come in at around 2900 lbs, maybe just a bit more.

I have mine at 2970 with my 230lb butt in the seat.

If you are going to get the power down, go to a smaller cam because choking it at the TB or elsewhere is pointless.....especially if he drags it to miller at 4400ft this september! that and choked motors really don't seem to last long in this series so be careful if he goes that direction.

My biggest problem as of late has been dyno consistency. In the last year, I have changed NOTHING on my car it has varied from 304 rwhp, to 330rwhp on 4 different dynos...all 248's except for the mobile one at Mid Ohio last year. Torque from 317 to 340. Granted weather is a big factor and the motor is going on 4 years old but come on....dynos are supposed to be "corrected" right?! LOL!!! I am really tired of putting ballast in and out of the car all the time and having to re-corner weight the car.

95convgt · 07-04-2009, 03:38 AM

Great #'s any vids of the car ??

justinschmidt1 · 07-04-2009, 03:51 PM

Impressive numbers....With the right intake an cams I bet we could be looking close to 400 rwhp n/a