auto vs stick for turbo car

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by sick96gt

i know that run has to be fun because of how fast it is, but it still looks boring, just stab and hold on. not for me.

My runs (not to sound to conceited) defiently look so much more fun with the car lurchuing out of the hole and having to drive to get a better time. IF that car was a high 10 low 11 car then it would be boring i think.

That 10-11 second car would then immediately turn into a 11-12 second car by simply switching to a manual.

[y2k02]

To me my auto is like a manual without a clutch. I have to shift it into every gear and down shift it. It does not and will not shift by itself.

[sick96gt]

thats for the info guys, like i said i am pretty hard headed to the subject and still am but i want to get insight for my buddy.

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by sick96gt

thats for the info guys, like i said i am pretty hard headed to the subject and still am but i want to get insight for my buddy.

Trust me man...I've been there.

[y2k02]

Here is a 50-90mph little blast with 12psi in 3rd gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVIFYXeXors

[sick96gt]

Originally Posted by y2k02

Here is a 50-90mph little blast with 12psi in 3rd gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVIFYXeXors

looks like it does in a manual car

[Rich Gill]

video not showing anything really

[sick96gt]

for me anyway

the videos only backup my opinion that driving an auto looks boring as hell.

this is a much better track run then most auto videos IMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkUYWvM0UAc

[red89coupe]

IF this dont make ya like a stick better there is NO hope lol

granted its a nitrous car and not turbo but damn that looks like fun



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ccEQnxGoE

[ratedz]

Auto + 67mm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/D...e-2_192893.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/D...e-3_192894.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/D...e-6_192897.htm


Blast on the street to drive with the fully loaded Redneck C4

[SonicFox]

The issue is what is "fun" is subjective. There is no solid objective evidence for either side. So, which is more fun is up to you. Now, if you have fun going as quick as possible down the track in your car, the auto is the clear winner. There's concrete evidence. If the lowest ET isn't that important to you, and you love to bang gears, the manual is for you.

[500dollar744ti]

Originally Posted by sick96gt

do all of you auto guys enjoy driving stick shifts? or are you content with having an auto because you dont like it.

i absolutely love a standard transmission, there's no way i would use an auto if i had a comparably strong manual to put in its place. the problem is that a manual transmission that is up to task of not breaking when i throw the torque at it is going to cost more than my entire 5.0 turbo build, including the car. since i can get away with a beefed up $75 junkyard trans, that's what i run.

a slushy stock auto isn't that fun, after a nice shift kit and valve body it really makes it more pleasurable.

[sick96gt]

i understand its very subjective but my buddy is alot like me we like to blow donuts do burnouts all the time have contests to see who can smoke the tires further through 2nd or 3rd gear and just bang gears in general i am just afraid hes going to buy an auto an wind up hating it.

[Zeet's5.0]

I'm pro auto, but haven't made the switch.

All it takes is an hour or so in stop and go traffic and I was 100% convinced I hated manual transmissions.

[ratedz]

Originally Posted by Zeet's5.0

I'm pro auto, but haven't made the switch.

All it takes is an hour or so in stop and go traffic and I was 100% convinced I hated manual transmissions.

Agree


Sounds to me like some of the cars on here are ''daily driven'' on weekends and/or during light traffic only.

Not much fun being caught on the freeway in a jam with a manual car.


But......you actually have to drive DAILY to find that out

[jim331]

ratedz what gears do you have with c4 and what rpms on hwy ,65 to 70 mph

[500dollar744ti]

Originally Posted by sick96gt

i understand its very subjective but my buddy is alot like me we like to blow donuts do burnouts all the time have contests to see who can smoke the tires further through 2nd or 3rd gear and just bang gears in general i am just afraid hes going to buy an auto an wind up hating it.

but you can still do that with an automatic? maybe not banging gears but a shift kit will get the auto banging gears well enough. maybe i am just partial to the Lentech Street Terminator kit in my trans but that is one violent, fun, hard shifting automatic.

i agree a stock transmission would be rather lacking.

[sick96gt]

"banging" gears in an auto and banging gears in a stick is way different. its hard for me to explain there is somethingabout having to use the clutch and stick and all.

it is nice that an auto will shift hard though.... i cant go without a nice "smoke the tires all the way to third gear" session

[331merc]

I like how you refuse to look at logic in this discussion and just want to talk about seeing tires being smoked.

this thread = waste of time.

[snipe656]

Originally Posted by 331merc

I like how you refuse to look at logic in this discussion and just want to talk about seeing tires being smoked.

this thread = waste of time.

I agree completely on this.

[500dollar744ti]

Originally Posted by sick96gt

it is nice that an auto will shift hard though.... i cant go without a nice "smoke the tires all the way to third gear" session

nothing about an automatic says you can't still do that.

[sick96gt]

no one answered my question on whether a torque converter actually multiplies torque or not.... i thought it was a way to "slip" the tranny at a stop and then engage it at a certain RPM?

[sick96gt]

Originally Posted by 331merc

I like how you refuse to look at logic in this discussion and just want to talk about seeing tires being smoked.

this thread = waste of time.

like i said i am very hard headed to the point of an auto. Smoking the tires is extremely importantg to me and my buddy so yes i bring it up alot.

IF an auto can smoke em as good through second as my stick then that is a selling point.

look this thread isnt for me its for my buddy, he has been reading it and i want him to get all the facts.

i am looking at logic to us, we dont act like most normal people we generally have a different midset then most

[ratedz]

Originally Posted by jim331

ratedz what gears do you have with c4 and what rpms on hwy ,65 to 70 mph

With just under 26" tires i'm seeing 2600rpm at 65mph. It doesn't bother me since I don't freeway race and usually just creep along on the highway anyhow.

[ratedz]

Originally Posted by sick96gt

like i said i am very hard headed to the point of an auto. Smoking the tires is extremely importantg to me and my buddy so yes i bring it up alot.

IF an auto can smoke em as good through second as my stick then that is a selling point.

look this thread isnt for me its for my buddy, he has been reading it and i want him to get all the facts.

i am looking at logic to us, we dont act like most normal people we generally have a different midset then most

I have entirely too much time and money invested in my car to beat the #### out of it doing smoke shows just to impress people.

That being said my auto will still blaze the tires on the freeway rolling from 45-50mph.

[Rages6971]

Originally Posted by 331merc

I like how you refuse to look at logic in this discussion and just want to talk about seeing tires being smoked.

this thread = waste of time.

x3, This thread a accomplished nothing. All the facts are there, but if your just out to have "fun" and not have it be "boring" then use what you want. Maybe let your buddy do the swap and take notes about the pro's and con's of each others rides.

Just a thought.

[5.8LiterImportEater]

I love manuals. I like how simple they are. I am truly a manual fan, but I think I will be doing both in the future. I have a 94 Lightning that is going to be turbo with an automatic, the Notch though is going to be turbo w/ a manual. I love shifting my car. I am going to see if I can get the car to run nearly as fast as some of the autos with a manual, and if it doesn't I just like the idea of my car being a manual.

I am thinking about going MegaSquirt and with the anti-lag option I think lots of the boost loss can be thwarted, and even if I shift like an old lady and can't run as fast...it is fine by me.

Now understand I know an auto can be very fast and my Lightning will definitely be an auto because shifting a lever that long is not even close to fun when you want it that fast. My friend's 1980 TA that we swapped in a 400 with solid roller and ported heads is a beast with the auto, and a blast to drive so it isn't that I don't think driving an auto can be fun, just that I like banging my own gears.

Oh, and I have been stuck in lots of traffic with my Notch and I have been caught in traffic with my Cummins 5 speed towing over 20k lbs around Atlanta during morning rush, so I know how annoying a stick can be, but the benefits are worth it to me.

Now what I am leading to, the switch to an auto is personal. Are you wanting 800-1000 hp? The clutch to hold that will be pretty fierce or twin disc, which can give fits if not properly installed. If you can afford the $1200 clutch then the 3k tranny is probably within your budget. Now on an auto you are going to probably pay 2200 for a AOD that can hold that power, and then maybe 800-1000 for a proper converter. Yes you can get away with less for a while but to be in the same safe realm with that kind of power.

You will probably be faster with the auto, but if it is a street car and you like driving a stick why would you put an auto in it? If you want to be super consistent in the 1/4 then an auto will be your choice.

Chris

[Hota$$FOX]

Why do you think Buick Grand Nationals have auto? And are so fast for only a 3.8L and heavy car? Manuals also require lifting the gas pedal to shift. What happens the TB closes and the BOV opens and the turbo spools down only to have to re-spool up for the next shift.
I have an AOD in mine but just lost 1-2 bands. I may go to a C-4 is it isn't too much work to swap in. The AOD would be better it it is a daily driver but mine is for just cruising the streets for the next kill. Maybe kill a Grand National .
Does anyone know what year(s) AOD or C-4 will bolt right in a 89 Mustang without driveshaft length and linkage issues?

[Rich Gill]

Who the hell lifts the pedal to shift?

[millhouse]

I myself never had a problem with my 3550 setup in stop and go traffic or as a DD. Simply put...in the words of the late great Ricky Bobby...."I wanna go fast!". My 4r70w tranny setup should be here sometime next week.

On a side note, with the baumannator on that 4r70w tranny I can manually shift not only with the console shifter....but I can wire the cruise control buttons to allow manumatic shifting if I so choose.

[snipe656]

I can't believe that anyone with a turdbo Mustang would ever once think they may not be able to spin the tires a lot with any type of transmission. But then again I see the person who keeps mentioning spinning the tires and has such a concern about doing it, has a nitrous combo if their signature is correct.

[sick96gt]

i switched over to a blower now.

does an auto have the same effect on a turbo car as it does a blower car?


does no-one know the answer to the torque converter question?

I have entirely too much time and money invested in my car to beat the #### out of it doing smoke shows just to impress people.

That being said my auto will still blaze the tires on the freeway rolling from 45-50mph.

i do it to impress my myself. burnouts and #### are fun and IMO part of what owning a mustang is all about.

[snipe656]

A turbo car responds far better to an automatic than a supercharged car due to how the boost builds and stays on between the two.

I do not know on the torque converter, there seems to be a science behind properly building those for the right application almost like there is a science behind speccing a turbo for the righ application or a cam for the right application. In any of those cases, I just leave it up to the experts over trying to out think them or understand things like they do, I just have far more important things in life to worry about over that. I bet if you search some of the other forums on here you could find someone who spent way too much time detailing how a torque converter works and what it does for the car.

[red89coupe]

Originally Posted by sick96gt

i switched over to a blower now.

does an auto have the same effect on a turbo car as it does a blower car?


does no-one know the answer to the torque converter question?



i do it to impress my myself. burnouts and #### are fun and IMO part of what owning a mustang is all about.

NOT same effect.. its better for turbo then a S/C... s/c is rpm turbo is load and autos load the hell out the motor


NO clue, dont know nothing about a T/C lol


hell yeah !! NOT that I have much in mine at all but its a ritual to leave pasties when leaving the shop. hell the owner/boss would even get mad if we stopped as he loves to watch us leave sideways lol

I built my car to beat the crap out of it, at the track , on the street or sitting still smokin the tires lol IF I couldnt afford to break it I wouldnt have built it... and I sure as hell didnt spend the money I did just to take it easy..


do I know it would be faster with a auto... yes
do I know it would be more consistent...... yes
do I care............................................ NO thats just MY opinion

you guys can argue forever and nobody is gonna be "right" its an opinion. some prefer bleach blond, some like redheads... hell some like other guys.. argue all you want Im not switchin teams lol

[Rich Gill]

Anyone who dont like burnouts or donuts should sell their mustangs and buy imports.
Smoking the tires through an intersection is half the joy of owning a mustang.