HELP very low hp. still at dyno any ideas

[slow87GT]

Originally Posted by fastback289

so is this wrong that my car is only making 270 hp with all these parts

way wrong, you have serious issues

[nzane1980]

Seriously time for a REAL tuner to fix it before you destroy all your expensive parts messing with the tuner you have.

[Flyin Ryan]

park the car, save money then drop it off to a tuner that knows what he's doing before you pop a head gasket among other things.

[nosinjcted]

What size injectors? What fuel pump are you running? How much fuel pressure? You have left a lot of information out that people would need to help you.

[jonboy688]

Originally Posted by slow87GT

total or base? you need to know that

and your sure its 11.7:1 afr? what gas? 92octane? who set the valve lash? are you running a pcv valve? 2 breathers? how much vacuum does the motor have? what cam is in it?

sounds like you need a new tuner...

why in the world would you set valve lash? i am sure he has a normal hyd roller cam and not a solid roller... maybe you meant preloaded the lifter correctly?

[superbean]

Someone had a bowl of fail today.

FIRST - get timing under control. Pinging is no good, and your tuner is a moron and should know what to do the first time he even THINKS he hears it.

SECOND - Do a damn compression test. If you have any gasket failure, it should show up, and u can see how balanced the cyl are.

THIRD - Get back on the dyno, progressivly up the timing until u hear any pinging, then back it off. Have your tuner dial in the timing curve under - into - and during boost as it needs to be remapped heavily on a blown car.

[89llx]

could be a bad computer

[onefastsvt]

Did you check for Bananas is your tail pipe???

Seriously though, something is wrong. When was the last time you did a full tune up? (wires, plugs, fuel filter, cap roter ect)

[Camara77]

Originally Posted by MFE

At this point I'm starting to wonder if the blower belt is even installed.

LOL

[ocalafox]

Where did he go? Now even I'm courious.

[slo5oh]

I used to run 15* or more of timing with alum heads and a vortech pushing about 6lbs. no sweat.

pull that stupid chip, I think that's the key

[fastback289]

im here i got it back from the tuner and he gavve me a list of crap to do. its had a tune up. cap, wires, pluge, wires all that crap. it has a 225 intank with 36 lbs injectors.im not to sure of the fuel pressure i think 40. it really isnt that much faster but he only rev it to 4500 or something like that but not even past 5000 on the dyno. so im not sure right now im going to save up some money fix some stuff and bring it back and see the difference.im doing a compression test saturday then if that checks out im going to the track sunday and that should tell me alot. and im going to be running race( c12) gas so that i dont blow the motor

[NotchAbove]

Originally Posted by fastback289

im here i got it back from the tuner and he gavve me a list of crap to do. its had a tune up. cap, wires, pluge, wires all that crap. it has a 225 intank with 36 lbs injectors.im not to sure of the fuel pressure i think 40. it really isnt that much faster but he only rev it to 4500 or something like that but not even past 5000 on the dyno. so im not sure right now im going to save up some money fix some stuff and bring it back and see the difference.im doing a compression test saturday then if that checks out im going to the track sunday and that should tell me alot. and im going to be running race( c12) gas so that i dont blow the motor

Your making a big mistake, plain and simple. You don't take a car that is suffering from detonation to the track. You need to figure out your timing issue before you wreck the entire motor. Lean out at track speed, you can hole a piston, and destroy the block and head.

Your next move would be to find someone who knows what they are doing. Your tuner doesn't sound like he know anything.

If I were you and I'll give you the same advice I already gave you. Pull out the chip. Set you base timing to 8*. And see what happens.

The chip could be adding too much timing, when combined with your base timing. You have no clue what is on the chip. Most chips are set to have 10* base and the rest is advanced via the chip.

Next on the fuel end, make sure your MAF and injectors are matched. What MAF are you running ? Is it for 36# injectors ?

Another easy to do thing would be to not run the blower and see if you can get it to run right. But I would do the compression test first and reset the base timing and pull out the chip.

[93GRNLX]

You need to take it to Wes at TPS

http://www.tpsperformance.com/index.php


Phone: (225) 622-5328
General Email: service@tpsperformance.com
Address:40472-C Abby James Rd.
Prairieville, LA 70769

[ManicMike]

Originally Posted by fastback289

im here i got it back from the tuner and he gavve me a list of crap to do. its had a tune up. cap, wires, pluge, wires all that crap. it has a 225 intank with 36 lbs injectors.im not to sure of the fuel pressure i think 40. it really isnt that much faster but he only rev it to 4500 or something like that but not even past 5000 on the dyno. so im not sure right now im going to save up some money fix some stuff and bring it back and see the difference.im doing a compression test saturday then if that checks out im going to the track sunday and that should tell me alot. and im going to be running race( c12) gas so that i dont blow the motor

DO NOT TAKE THE CAR TO THE TRACK. Your seriously the most retarded person I've ever known if you take a mis-tuned/poorly running car to the track.

93GRNLX just posted a good tuner, he's only a hour from you. I'd pack the car up and head over there and i'm sure he'll sort out your issues quickly (unlike your current, idiot of a tuner).

[memphis306]

Originally Posted by fastback289

im doing a compression test saturday then if that checks out im going to the track sunday and that should tell me alot.

better yet,why not throw a 150 shot on it while youre at it and see what it tells you.im willing to bet it will leave a trail of parts and fluids down the track leading the clean-up crew directly to the defective parts. sort of like an engine tuning GPS

[kbmclaren]

i had 10# on stock computer and 9:1 compression with only an fmu and base timing at 8 degrees and i had zero issues. pinging will kill that motor in short order i agree that the chip is your issue. when i was 17 (two years ago), i wouldve known not to even drive a car with pinging let alone take it to the track. your goin to kill that motor

with your low compression, 93 octane and only 6# the pinging is showing you have a big issue

your to do list:
compression test
verify: fuel delivery, spark
your computer should be accurately calibrated for your injector size and maf output

[MFE]

Originally Posted by fastback289

im going to the track sunday and that should tell me alot.

Yes, yes it will. And you know how they say a picture is worth a thousand words? Well here's your future journal entry.





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Originally Posted by NotchAbove

Your making a big mistake, plain and simple. You don't take a car that is suffering from detonation to the track. You need to figure out your timing issue before you wreck the entire motor. Lean out at track speed, you can hole a piston, and destroy the block and head.

Your next move would be to find someone who knows what they are doing. Your tuner doesn't sound like he know anything.

If I were you and I'll give you the same advice I already gave you. Pull out the chip. Set you base timing to 8*. And see what happens.

The chip could be adding too much timing, when combined with your base timing. You have no clue what is on the chip. Most chips are set to have 10* base and the rest is advanced via the chip.

Next on the fuel end, make sure your MAF and injectors are matched. What MAF are you running ? Is it for 36# injectors ?

Another easy to do thing would be to not run the blower and see if you can get it to run right. But I would do the compression test first and reset the base timing and pull out the chip.

Listen to this advice, and all the rest like it.

[KJMac]

This could should not own a car like this!!! plain and simple!

[CNCOX]

Originally Posted by ManicMike

DO NOT TAKE THE CAR TO THE TRACK. Your seriously the most retarded person I've ever known if you take a mis-tuned/poorly running car to the track.

Exactly. It is appalling how many people do it though.

... It saddens me to hear a Bennett Short block go "POP POP" (lean) down the track (speaking specifically of one I know).

[slo5oh]

Fastback289,
Don't ask for advice then ignore what several people a lot smarter than yourself are saying. Everone here has given you GREAT advice, and you seem to NOT NOTICE it.
IMO, you should start this thread over again... start by listing EVERY SINGLE stock or aftermarket part in your car that's been replaced. Simple things can get overlooked... such as, are your running platinum plugs with an MSD ignition? This is a huge no-no and would be the root of your problem. None of us would know this since you're only giving us 10% of the story.

[justhereforinfo]

Originally Posted by NotchAbove

Your making a big mistake, plain and simple. You don't take a car that is suffering from detonation to the track. You need to figure out your timing issue before you wreck the entire motor. Lean out at track speed, you can hole a piston, and destroy the block and head.

Your next move would be to find someone who knows what they are doing. Your tuner doesn't sound like he know anything.

If I were you and I'll give you the same advice I already gave you. Pull out the chip. Set you base timing to 8*. And see what happens.

The chip could be adding too much timing, when combined with your base timing. You have no clue what is on the chip. Most chips are set to have 10* base and the rest is advanced via the chip.

Next on the fuel end, make sure your MAF and injectors are matched. What MAF are you running ? Is it for 36# injectors ?

Another easy to do thing would be to not run the blower and see if you can get it to run right. But I would do the compression test first and reset the base timing and pull out the chip.

Hey Notch, lets not blame the tuner just yet. For all we know he's giving him the same advice we are, and he's ignoring it too. He's a hot headed young whippersnapper, he'll learn the hardway, like most of us did.

[Dart347GT]

Originally Posted by slo5oh

Fastback289,
Don't ask for advice then ignore what several people a lot smarter than yourself are saying. Everone here has given you GREAT advice, and you seem to NOT NOTICE it.
IMO, you should start this thread over again... start by listing EVERY SINGLE stock or aftermarket part in your car that's been replaced. Simple things can get overlooked... such as, are your running platinum plugs with an MSD ignition? This is a huge no-no and would be the root of your problem. None of us would know this since you're only giving us 10% of the story.

Like 8 years ago, I did the same thing. Put on a BD-11 on my mostly stock motor and took it to get tuned. By 4000 rpms it was popping and missing like crazy. I never even thought about the platinum plugs in the motor. The tuner double checked and softened up his super safe base tune and made another pull. Same thing happened, he got out of the car gave me a sh%^^y look and pulled one of my plugs. We put new plugs in and he was done tuning in about and hour. Took him less than 10 minutes to figure out what was wrong.

Find another tuner, and dont even think about going to the track. You may be thinking you dont want to spend more money on a tune, but it is far cheaper than destroying your motor.

Tuners have so much info available to them while they are tuning that I cant believe he hasnt begun to figure this out.

Good luck !

[MFE]

Not everybody with a dyno in a shop is an actual tuner, so it's possible this cat was on the dyno and his "tuner" was elsewhere. And technically, it's not the dyno operator's job to fix your car's problems, it's your problem as the car owner.

That said, I'd find a different dyno shop AND a different tuner before I took that car near a strip or even put it on a dyno again. What the everliving #### dyno operator doesn't know how to at least check and adjust the timing on a 5.0 for god's sake?

[fastback289]

Ok right off the back thanks for all the help. The thing is I never heard it pinging that was the tuner. Tps never answer any of my Calls. So I'm not sure what to say. I hae been driving it and I don't hear it pinging. I took the lower belt of yesterday but iy dsnt run good because it's not tune for it. I can change the ting it's just rather hard because the supercharged is right in the center of my path. I'm trying to do the right thing but I dint know where to go now. I built this car myself but it's my first mustang and I'm learning alot. It's a pro m maf with venom injectors. The timing is at 15 with the chip still in it. I want to go t the track to see if the tuner did anything at alll. But Im nit sure where to go now. Thanks for all the help I'm trying to answer all of yalls questions

[fastback289]

I'm sorry I'm not listen to do with the timing but I don't want to move it because it been run the best sence I put all the parts on so I dot want to mess that up and then not be able to drive the car anymore

[justhereforinfo]

Originally Posted by fastback289

I'm sorry I'm not listen to do with the timing but I don't want to move it because it been run the best sence I put all the parts on so I dot want to mess that up and then not be able to drive the car anymore

You shouldn't be driving it anyway. Once again, you should list all the modifications made to the car. It would be nice if you could post a picture of the engine bay. I cant see how the charger is in the way of the distributor.

This forum will figure out your problem if you just cooperate!

I didnt want to say it before, but there was a recent study listed on msn.com that showed the top 10 stupidest states. Care to guess who ranked number 1?

[fastback289]

I will tell you I'm sorry I'm trying to answer everones
guestions
stock short block
cam is unknow. I never took it out but it's not stock
afr 185 heads
comp cam rollor rockers. 1.6
stock pushrods
shorty headers
arp head bolts
track heat intake with spacer
75 mm t/b with egr delete
new tps and iac
msd 6al with 2 step
msd coil
msd super conductors
autolites 23 heat range
Paxton novi 1000 at 5-6 lbs
36 lb injector with matching pro m maf
professional product fuel regulator. At 42
still running p/s and a/c
is got the chip
electric fan
still has stock distrubuator
t-5 wit harden gears and a centerforce clutch
3:73 gears
and there's proble more but I don't rember right now. Give me a break I'm 17 and I'm just asking for some help thanks

[onefastsvt]

im sorry I'm not listen to do with the timing but I don't want to move it because it been run the best sence I put all the parts on so I dot want to mess that up and then not be able to drive the car anymore

Its running the best? Why are you posting about low numbers then? My E7 headed 302 makes the same power your supercharged combo does??? (265rwhp)

Give me a break I'm 17 and I'm just asking for some help thanks

You're not asking for help, you are looking for validation that you are correct. There have been numorus posts giving good advice, but you are ignoring it and saying you are going to head to the track. I say, great, post the carnage thread when you are done.

[bender4601]

Bolt down rockers??

[fastback289]

No stud mount

[fastback289]

I'm sorry I was planing on it because the tuner said I could with some
c12 and iy would be fine but I won't. I'm looking for some advice but I heard many different things. Thanks for the advice but yall are being rude and that's getting old

[331D1SCGT]

pull the ####### chip out like other people have told you, set timing at 8* with the spout OUT( the spout is located on the riwing harness that goes to the dist), THEN, put the SPOUT back IN, are the injectors old?? mass air meter dirty?? also, where is the mass air meter located?? is it a draw through or a blow through?? are you running a bypass valve and is it being dumped to atmosphere or is it being recycled back to the blower?? Do not drive this car or take it to the track un till you have this figured out like everyone else said, i know you want to drive the car and are excited abou ###, but please, have some patience and get it figured out before you grenade the thing, and race fuel isnt the magical fix for everything, if the car is not tuned properly, you can still blow your #### up with race fuel.

[MAT88GT]

15*'s plus a "chip" is nuts man...all the advice and help you could ever want is already in this thread...change the timing, pull the chip, pull codes, run compression. Pretty simple stuff

I don't see anyone being rude. I see you not listening or making excuses as to why you cant follow peoples advice.

here's a tip...learn to clearly communicate the problems and you'll get better answers! Slow down, type it all out, give all the info you can.

[blown317]

fastback289 i know this can be hard at times foxes are tempermental but you really should not go to the track like this that poor motor doesen't have a chance all that hard work and money hows the car run ? the only promblem is the low numbers i would pull the chip and take the blower belt off and rig a air filter and maf on it see if any thing changes you need to get it running good with no supercharger first if you are still going to the track keep the sc belt off lol