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BFGoodrich Rival Question

Anyone run the BFG Rival on the street? How many miles are you getting? I am looking for a sticky street tire, but don't want one that needs replacing every 6,000 miles. 12,000 or so would be acceptable. I'd get about three years out of that being a summer car.

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These new tires a supposed to be really good. BFGoodrich is making a big stink about them. In this article below...they claim to out perform R-compound tires. Personally, I think it's BS and just advertising.

DRIVER SEAT> Track Testing The BF Goodrich Rival – MotorMavens | Car Culture and Photography


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sucks they only make them in pizza slicer 255s for 17 inch wheels


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Rivals review from my buddy Fair at Vorschlag. The tires are the ####.

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Thanks for the links guys. I think I'm sold. I just wonder how long they will last. It may say somewhere in one of the articles. I have not finished them yet. Just a skim through.
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Here's the tire rack comparison with the other top level street tires:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=172

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They have a tread wear rating of 200, they have to be much better than 6K miles. I'd say 10K, but that's opinion.

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This new street tire war will be interesting since SCCA is moving the stock class to require them. Sucks that they cost as much as R comps and have limited sizes. From what I read they are going to have to allow different rim diameters in the new street class for the first time to accommodate the lack of tire size choices.

I have a problem choosing a tire that isn't decent in the wet in this category. But it is proven you can't make a good wet tire that's as fast on a dry surface as an all out dry compound tire.

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There are some local guys that autocross with them, some of them have already had to buy a new set. This is more abusive than normal street driving, but I would like a set to at least last one season.

Now I don't know if they also daily drove on them. That could explain the wear.

Also, they can be flipped inside to outside by the tire is not truely symmetrical, which is one reason I don't want to go with them. But they are a very fast tire. I don't see the point in driving them on the street though.

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Here's probably a more pertinent test in relation to the Mustang.

Tire Rack tested the top street tires using a Pro-Touring high horsepower heavy American muscle car.

Skip past the sensory overload ( )( )'s and scroll to 9:30 on the video for the bottom line:

Dunlop Direzza ZII had the fasted lap times at 56.43 sec followed by the Hankook Ventus RS-3, followed by the BFG G-force Rival.




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Here's the tire rack comparison with the other top level street tires:

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Here's probably a more pertinent test in relation to the Mustang.

Tire Rack tested the top street tires using a Pro-Touring high horsepower heavy American muscle car.

Skip past the sensory overload ( )( )'s and scroll to 9:30 on the video for the bottom line:

Dunlop Direzza ZII had the fasted lap times at 56.43 sec followed by the Hankook Ventus RS-3, followed by the BFG G-force Rival.
Funny how these test have different results for the best tire. I think the car used in the HotRod test is a poor choice for testing tires.
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Funny how these test have different results for the best tire.
In what way? TR didn't really name a "winner", as they have in past test results. If you separate the track test data, comparable to the HotRod test, the results are basically the same. The Dunlop equaled or bettered the Rival in every dry measurable test. It was also as good, and in some cases, better in the wet.

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I think the car used in the HotRod test is a poor choice for testing tires.
Why? As 87Fox5.0 said, the specs and results of that car are more relative to our cars, due to its weight and SRA.

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In what way? TR didn't really name a "winner", as they have in past test results. If you separate the track test data, comparable to the HotRod test, the results are basically the same. The Dunlop equaled or bettered the Rival in every dry measurable test. It was also as good, and in some cases, better in the wet
Just looking at the scores and spider charts. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...t.jsp?ttid=172 The Dri Performance test has the BFG scoring higher in almost every category. I agree in the wet the Bridgestone Potenza scored better and would probably be a better choice for a street performance tire based on ride quality and wet data. But I will never drive in the rain with this car.

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Why? As 87Fox5.0 said, the specs and results of that car are more relative to our cars, due to its weight and SRA.
In general my comment is based on the idea that the Dodge Dart is probably at the bottom of the list for building a Muscle car or racing. But where does it say the weight and rear axle comment in 87Fox5.0's post? I missed that part. In Fact the stock 4 door Dart weighs 3,480lbs and has a wheel base of 111". This car may be lighter, but with the cage I doubt it. But overall it's just my opinion on the car.
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Just looking at the scores and spider charts. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...t.jsp?ttid=172 The Dri Performance test has the BFG scoring higher in almost every category.
Yes, in the subjective categories, but not in the track data. Which unless I missed something, the raw lap time was the only test data in the HotRod report. That's why I said "comparable" data. Not saying the Dunlop is a better tire, just that the hard core track data is similar on two completely different platforms. Which I think is a good thing.

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But where does it say the weight and rear axle comment in 87Fox5.0's post? I missed that part.
It doesn't. I read into this:

"Here's probably a more pertinent test in relation to the Mustang.

Tire Rack tested the top street tires using a Pro-Touring high horsepower heavy American muscle car."


...and translated it to: It's a heavier car than the BMW (like a Mustang), crappy F/R weight distribution like a Mustang (unlike a BMW's 50/50), and a SRA instead of an IRS.

Not trying to argue that the Satellite may not be the be best car for this tire test, but it's good to see a test on a vehicle larger and heavier than a Mustang, instead of the "ultimate driving machine".

I'm sure we all would have been happier if they tested a Pro Touring 4 door Fairmont...maybe next time...

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Also scroll to around 06:10 where he says the American car was 1 second faster on the same autocross track than the BMW, using the same tires.

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Also scroll to around 06:10 where he says the American car was 1 second faster on the same autocross track than the BMW, using the same tires.

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Yup! That was the best part...

BTW, did they mention what size tires they tested on the Satellite?

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Yup! That was the best part...

BTW, did they mention what size tires they tested on the Satellite?
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Well in doing some final checking on what size I was going to run I noticed something I missed with the Rival. This tire only starts with 7/32" tread and almost all the other "Street" Performance tires start with 10/32". I don't see this tire lasting very long with 5/32" of usable rubber.
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Well in doing some final checking on what size I was going to run I noticed something I missed with the Rival. This tire only starts with 7/32" tread and almost all the other "Street" Performance tires start with 10/32". I don't see this tire lasting very long with 5/32" of usable rubber.
These are not about lasting. They are the new hot street legal autocross tire.

When the time comes for new tires on my 13 I'm going to try the Dunlop Direzza ZII in 275/35/19. those start at 9/32 depth and will fit my stock wheels.

The 255/40/19 Pirelli P Zeros that came on it start at 10/32.

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