Alice Cooper vs Stephen Hawking

[P63]

Originally Posted by alice copper

Jesus spent half his time dealing with demons and throwing them out of people. I don't think you just float around when you die - there's judgment, you either go to heaven or hell.

Originally Posted by stephen hawking

heaven is a fairy story for those afraid of the dark

Discuss

[P63]

Alice Cooper isn't afraid of the dark...

.... he's what you FEAR when it's dark!




AC 1
SH 0

[J's 89]

Hawking has the better voice.

[TROJANII]

"but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:12

OK, so I am afraid of the dark. You would be foolish not to be.

[shame302]

Depends on if you believe or if you don't. Nothing to discuss. Arguing about religion is more obnoxious than politics. At least with politics its interesting. Religion is nonsense.

[TROJANII]

Originally Posted by shame302

Depends on if you believe or if you don't. Nothing to discuss. Arguing about religion is more obnoxious than politics. At least with politics its interesting. Religion is nonsense.

It got you to respond ....

[mmeans]

I don't believe, but I won't judge a man because he' on or off the god squad.

Let's compare:

Cooper

Alcoholic (recovering)
Alice Cooper
God Squad


Hawking

Astrophysicist
McHawking
Mod Squad




See, more similar than not.


Michael Means

[P63]

Originally Posted by mmeans

Let's compare:

Cooper :
sober for 30 years
great guy, fun at parties
had more than his fill of life's pleasures


Hawking:
doesn't get the joke about the sad atom who's electron left him.
Thinks it's funny at McDonalds to order a Heisen-burger

fixed

[P63]

Originally Posted by TROJANII

"but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:12

OK, so I am afraid of the dark. You would be foolish not to be.

The dark represents separation from God, and therefore, from each other: Despair.
It is not "dark" as in "dark places were unknown threats could be ready to pounce".

Still, I get your point.

[mmeans]

Sober for 30 years but one drink away from no longer recovering. I have some of his vinyl and read a biography, maybe autobiography. I saw him on his TV specials and I think on that show that came on at midnight way back.

I've read Hawkin's book's and found them fascinating. He seemed to be a standard Oxford undergrad before being stricken with disease. I guess some folks seem to believe that makes him less than human. Their choice.


Michael Means

[TROJANII]

[P63]

Originally Posted by mmeans

Sober for 30 years but one drink away from no longer recovering. I have some of his vinyl and read a biography, maybe autobiography. I saw him on his TV specials and I think on that show that came on at midnight way back.

I've read Hawkin's book's and found them fascinating. He seemed to be a standard Oxford undergrad before being stricken with disease. I guess some folks seem to believe that makes him less than human. Their choice.


Michael Means

Pretty unsporting, referring to a successfully recovered alcoholic as "one drink away from doom". Come on, Mr Means, you're better than that.

I don't think anyone considers Mr Hawking to be less than human. Who is of that opinion?





Oh, and by the way, J's89's comment is

[Floordford]

Theres also the certainty that they are both wrong. Alice Cooper should not be who you look to as a guy that points you to God. And Stephen Hawking knows space and physics and is high on his own knowledge. I say both are bad options.

[mmeans]

Originally Posted by P63

Pretty unsporting, referring to a successfully recovered alcoholic as "one drink away from doom". Come on, Mr Means, you're better than that.

I don't think anyone considers Mr Hawking to be less than human. Who is of that opinion?





Oh, and by the way, J's89's comment is

Unsporting, I suggest you attend an open AA meeting to understand just how these people are balancing on the edge IF they start to believe they can have just one drink.

IMO it seems that your posts lean to support anyone on the god squad and less supportive of those who choose not to believe. Just and observation, by no means fact but my interpretation.


Michael Means

[P63]

Originally Posted by mmeans

Unsporting, I suggest you attend an open AA meeting to understand just how these people are balancing on the edge IF they start to believe they can have just one drink.

IMO it seems that your posts lean to support anyone on the god squad and less supportive of those who choose not to believe. Just and observation, by no means fact but my interpretation.


Michael Means

My friend, I hear what you are saying and do not deny the charge.

I was saddened by Dr Hawking's TV special, because it seemed to be a cry of anger on his part. If one rewatches it, early on Hawking makes the statement "ancient people thought disease was a curse from God... well what would they think if they saw ME?" The guy is clearly angry at God.

If you, Mr Means, were to have total creative license to create any TV special you wanted, none of us have any doubt it would be filled with your insightful (and often entertaining) opinions on Mustangs, civil rights, and maybe an expression of reserve regarding overzealous people. I seriously doubt you would spend the entire time God-bashing, as Dr Hawking did.

Actually, the "post 1" thought occurred to me as I was reading up on Alice Cooper at imdb. He is widely known as a very nice guy. A significant number of his quotes are in regards to the afterlife. Granted, that could just be to support his stage persona, but still, they contrast Dr Hawking's statements directly, and given that one guy is really cool and the other is angry at the world, that says something.

Help me out, Dr Hawking is a sub-atomic physicist, isn't he? How did he get this astrophysicist moniker?

... and he's certainly no expert on God. No more so than a bus driver or screwdriver repairman.

[shame302]

Originally Posted by P63

I was saddened by Dr Hawking's TV special, because it seemed to be a cry of anger on his part. If one rewatches it, early on Hawking makes the statement "ancient people thought disease was a curse from God... well what would they think if they saw ME?" The guy is clearly angry at God.

THAT's what you got out of it? Hmmm.

[White05GT]

WiKi sez Alice is a born again Christian and also the son of a minister.

[P63]

Originally Posted by shame302

THAT's what you got out of it? Hmmm.

yep. After 10 minutes I couldn't take any more.


Went to "corral", incognito
and wrote my pro-ose
That Mr Means, he recognized me
and PEM ate all my po-osts.

[mmeans]

I didn't see it as Hawking was knocking god either, but I suppose that's all from perspective. Skeptical, sure, and using lot's of that English humor when referring to god, of course but not knocking people's beliefs in a Supreme Diety or Dieties. I suppose that since I read his books I was prepositioned for his use of humor and skepticism when referring to god.

If you took offense, you are in your rights to do so but tome it was nothing more than a humorous look with a good dose of skepticism/sarcasm. Oh well, we can't all be the same as that would make earth kind of boring.

I deny any knowledge of this PEM, none, nothing.... /spits out the bad spirits...


Michael Means

[P63]

Originally Posted by mmeans

If you took offense, you are in your rights to do so but tome it was nothing more than a humorous look with a good dose of skepticism/sarcasm.

I didn't take offense, I just found it to be tedious. Maybe the humor was above me.

FWIW, there are certain "social commentary comedy shows" that regularly offend me deeply, but I can take it, and I keep watching them. I can risk being offended if the payoff is insightful comedy from other perspectives.

[ThunderbirdFreeek]

It's mostly about which of the Big Lies that one wants to believe in.

In Hawking's case...electrons have been proven to exist. Ask anyone from Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or Chernobyl.

Of course, religious fanatics have killed many people fighting over some bedtime story handed down for ages.

I can get along with most anybody, unless they start getting pushy about their beliefs...some of my best friends are highly religious, but we've made it a hard and fast rule to not discuss our beliefs. Worked well for the last 15 years.

To each their own...ya know.

[mmeans]

Maybe the humor of the current Pope is above me as well. The guy that decided movign those rapist priests around from parish to parish was better than excommunication.

Maybe one day I will see the humor in his appointment.


Michael Means

[Racenrik]

I believe in God and I've never been afraid of the dark



just what I can't see in it LOL

[shame302]

Originally Posted by mmeans

Maybe the humor of the current Pope is above me as well. The guy that decided movign those rapist priests around from parish to parish was better than excommunication.

Maybe one day I will see the humor in his appointment.


Michael Means

Right? IMHO All of organized religion is a damned farce regardless or weather or not it's based loosely on a sort of spiritual being. Religion is a lie, a tool, and the earliest form of brain washing/control. It's a man-made idea/concept. It's either spawn from an actual spiritual contact of some sort or out of primitive ignorance. I have no problem with those that have faith or buy into whatever particular religion tickles their fancy but it's too much for me when they get all preachy or quote nonsense "scripture" to you. It's self riotous and narcissistic.

Don't confuse religion with faith.

[P63]

Originally Posted by shame302

Right? IMHO All of organized religion is a damned farce .

I disagree.

[shame302]

You can all you want You have every right to. Doesn't mean that either of us are wrong. As most of these things end, we'll have to agree to disagree. We'll both know when we're on the other side of whatever "this" is.

[P63]

The laugher is that your place in the Kingdom is undoubtably higher than mine!

[TROJANII]

Originally Posted by shame302

You can all you want You have every right to. Doesn't mean that either of us are wrong. As most of these things end, we'll have to agree to disagree. We'll both know when we're on the other side of whatever "this" is.

Well, you both can't be right. Either there is a Heaven and Hell or there isn't.

[shame302]

Originally Posted by P63

The laugher is that your place in the Kingdom is undoubtably higher than mine!

Uh ???

Originally Posted by TROJANII

Well, you both can't be right. Either there is a Heaven and Hell or there isn't.

Correct. However, the answer can't be known until your time here in the really real world is up.

[TROJANII]

Actually, there is plenty of evidence for the correct answer (according to the Bible). If there wasn't, I would still rather be on the safe side (better safe than sorry).

[mmeans]

That's a lot of tithing I could save for me though, greedy gods.

Besides, I have a cousin that got me in the Book through his work as a missionary. Free pass, yippee!

Evidence, we have evidence that there is a supreme being? Was it found by one of those NASA space craft?


Michael Means

[shame302]

Originally Posted by TROJANII

Actually, there is plenty of evidence for the correct answer (according to the Bible). If there wasn't, I would still rather be on the safe side (better safe than sorry).

The only evidence the bible provides is the fact that somebody wrote a book. Believe in it if you will but it proves nothing. "Better to be safe than sorry" is a poor reason to subscribe to any religion/faith.

[TROJANII]

Originally Posted by shame302

The only evidence the bible provides is the fact that somebody wrote a book. Believe in it if you will but it proves nothing. "Better to be safe than sorry" is a poor reason to subscribe to any religion/faith.

I didn't say the Bible was the evidence.
"Better safe than sorry" is only a poor reason until a person is in hell.

[TROJANII]

Originally Posted by mmeans

That's a lot of tithing I could save for me though, greedy gods.

Besides, I have a cousin that got me in the Book through his work as a missionary. Free pass, yippee!

Evidence, we have evidence that there is a supreme being? Was it found by one of those NASA space craft?


Michael Means

"could" means you tithe?

Mormon?

Yes. No.

[shame302]

Originally Posted by TROJANII

I didn't say the Bible was the evidence.
"Better safe than sorry" is only a poor reason until a person is in hell.

Semantics. Also, that's your opinion. Believing out of fear is kind of like stealing. IMHO, it's the wrong way, and it's phony.