Do citizens really need guns for protection...

[Ehardy1971]

Originally Posted by Super-G

Good try Pete. If there weren't so macho gun owners on this site it might actually be an interesting conversation

But don't you know that this site is chock full of ball-bags who NEED a gun to feel like a man. You had to know that they were all gonna chime in with their "from my cold dead hand" BS.

I'm NOT a gun prude but to hear some of the ball bags on this site with their chest thumping about owning guns is just kind of annoying. Waaahhh I need a gun to feel safe....waaahh the government is coming to get me and I need a gun to protect me....waaahh it's my constitutional right...waah waaahh waahhh. What I see is a bunch of guys who probably got picked on or beat up as kids, or they got an inch or two between their legs and now they NEED guns to feel like a man. I'd be willing to bet that about 95-99% of the gun owners on this site have never actually fired a weapon in self defense. Any douchewad can sit with shooting glasses and earphones and fire at a target in a range with no wind in a controlled environment. Sure makes u a man toolbox!!

Honestly the BS machismo by the gun owners on here is just pathetic.

Do you get a lot of nose bleeds up there on your ivory tower?

[Daywalker]

I was going to stay out of this...BUT... I have first hand knowledge on it.

My place was broken into by 3 people at least two armed.

I will never not have at least a handgun on my person preferably a shotgun near by.

Being ready cost me nothing but it damn sure saved my life.

[carpediem50]

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and
any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept
more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one
of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or
silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows
the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that
encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol
grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

I knew they were silly, but not THAT silly. A thumbhole stock? Of all the things listed that supposedly make a weapon "more dangerous" how the **** does a thumbhole stock do that? I get that most of them are related to concealability and capacity, but the thumbhole stock? Huh? Yeah... putting this stock on an otherwise legally acceptable rifle in CA will make it MUCH more dangerous...

[SATURN5]

Makes it harder to drop when running away....

[Chauncy]

Originally Posted by Ehardy1971

Do you get a lot of nose bleeds up there on your ivory tower?

The ####ed up thing, he's a marine and he knows that most of the people, especially the gun owners, are/were active duty and did time in the sandbox. I never thought highly of his page long rants but the guy truly proves his idiocy in that post.

[SATURN5]

SMH...

Uncles, did there service in WWII. One on the ground in occupied Japan, two others in fighters and bomber over Europe. Cousins did their time in the paddies of Nam..

Stupid part is, every gun owner hopes to never have to use a gun in self defense. I can only say, I would not hesitate to fire if it was a choice between my family and I verses an intruder. Judged by 12 over carried by 6.

[Chauncy]

Originally Posted by SATURN5

SMH...

Uncles, did there service in WWII. One on the ground in occupied Japan, two others in fighters and bomber over Europe. Cousins did their time in the paddies of Nam..

Stupid part is, every gun owner hopes to never have to use a gun in self defense. I can only say, I would not hesitate to fire if it was a choice between my family and I verses an intruder. Judged by 12 over carried by 6.

You're just a gungho piece of #### oozing machismo then. Might even throw in some compensating because you're not as awesome your family who served.

[SATURN5]

Dude, you just don't know.... I need a wheel barrow to hold my massive nuts..

[Ehardy1971]

Originally Posted by Chauncy

The ####ed up thing, he's a marine and he knows that most of the people, especially the gun owners, are/were active duty and did time in the sandbox. I never thought highly of his page long rants but the guy truly proves his idiocy in that post.

True, and those of us that are military/veterans (some of us with a lot more time in than him) firearm enthusiasts, thankfully don't think like that. To the majority of us, guns/hunting/reloading is a hobby and not a way to feel "manly" . But yeah, he's the ONLY one here that's ever been fired upon, served combat time, or seen the effects of a gunshot wound. I wounder if he's related to a former member?

[chadp71]

Don't think you need to carry at all times....watch this video. Plus just think if that was your mom,sister,girlfriend or wife....I carry my wife carries

Dayton's News Source :: Raw News - Caught On Tape: Victim Grabs Gun, Shoots Alleged Robber

[Steeda90GT]

Originally Posted by Ehardy1971

I wounder if he's related to a former member?

[Morty91LX]

Originally Posted by SATURN5

Stupid part is, every gun owner hopes to never have to use a gun in self defense.

I know guys who would like nothing more than to have to pull their gun on someone and shoot them. I hear their stupid tactical monologues all the time.

I need to tell them that the tactical vests they're using for a coverup would be more convincing if they hung a fishing lure or 2 off of them. One guy shot through his office wall with his tactical .45, the bullet went across the desk in the next office. Another one shot himself in the leg with a Glock .40 and it just made a clean hole through his leg; so much for the super T-Rex whiz bang popper double penetrator hollow points.

[GDDYUP2]

Originally Posted by Morty91LX

I know guys who would like nothing more than to have to pull their gun on someone and shoot them. I hear their stupid tactical monologues all the time.

I need to tell them that the tactical vests they're using for a coverup would be more convincing if they hung a fishing lure or 2 off of them. One guy shot through his office wall with his tactical .45, the bullet went across the desk in the next office. Another one shot himself in the leg with a Glock .40 and it just made a clean hole through his leg; so much for the super T-Rex whiz bang popper double penetrator hollow points.

It's unfortunate, but there is a certain percentage of gun owners who are like that. There are also gun owners who have a gun and would never pull that firearm to defend themselves and could possibly end up having it taken away and used against them. There's always the "fringe" areas of groups that both sides us to try and further their agendas.

Fortunately, the core group of firearms owners are like neither of the groups mentioned above....

[Ehardy1971]

Originally Posted by Steeda90GT

[broncobuddha]

Jesus....

I leave for awhile and look what's become of the place.

[72coupe]

To answer this question, there have been more murders in the Gun Free Zone at Virginia Tech.

[jmcintyre88gt]

not takin my guns. i live in west texas near the mexican freakin border and ill be damned if anyone is gonna try to take my weapons. its a matter of time b4 #### goes down.. its just not gonna happen, dumbass gun owners have stupid accidents, there should be an minimum IQ to own a firearm.... just sayin.. now that would weed out crime.. better yet just do the world a favor and put anyone under that score out of their misery and quit being a drain on regular society. but thats another whole subject and prolly makes me sound like hitler. 200 years ago 90% of the population today would die a miserable moronic death cause they cant have their A/C! poor poor situation we are in as a whole..

[LowRanger96]

The thing about a gun ban..which I would never be for considering I carry a handgun, is the last time I checked.. Criminals don't listen to laws, so how does a gun ban lower crime? It doesn't, it only works for the people who are law abiding

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[HIVOLTJ]

Originally Posted by jmcintyre88gt

not takin my guns. i live in west texas near the mexican freakin border and ill be damned if anyone is gonna try to take my weapons. its a matter of time b4 #### goes down.. its just not gonna happen, dumbass gun owners have stupid accidents, there should be an minimum IQ to own a firearm.... just sayin.. now that would weed out crime.. better yet just do the world a favor and put anyone under that score out of their misery and quit being a drain on regular society. but thats another whole subject and prolly makes me sound like hitler. 200 years ago 90% of the population today would die a miserable moronic death cause they cant have their A/C! poor poor situation we are in as a whole..

I guess see you later then!

They're gonna put you down!

If I was going to make a post like that, I'd triple-check my spelling and grammar!

[jmcintyre88gt]

haha im just being rational and not liberalistic.. ill laugh as zombies eat your face bro.

[J's 89]

Don't zombies eat brains? Face eating zombies would change my whole strategy.

[Billgor]

Gun Ban was really working in Chicago now that it's gone;




6 shot in 4 overnight shootings - chicagotribune.com


By Peter Nickeas Tribune reporter

3:57 a.m. CST, December 11, 2011

At least six people were wounded early Sunday morning in four shootings across the city.

The shootings happened as far north as Uptown, which has seen a rash of shootings over the past three weeks, and as far south as Englewood, with two other incidents on the West and Southwest Sides.

[jmcintyre88gt]

gotta go thru ur face to get to tha brain.. at least its one port of entry.. ;-) in the event of flesh eating zombies, come to west texas, we will still have our weapons no matter how hard these ignorant libtards try to hack up out second amendment, fought and paid for with the time and lives of our brothers, sisters, moms, dads, grandfathers, grandmothers, etc. ugh ignorance..

[Chauncy]

The face is actually the logical point of entry. Least amount of bone to get through, most amount of structural weakness on the skull.

[HIVOLTJ]

Originally Posted by Chauncy

The face is actually the logical point of entry. Least amount of bone to get through, most amount of structural weakness on the skull.

I don't think JMC has to worry about zombies, or anyone else for that matter, eating his brains. Ship has sailed bro


And laugh all you want, I got my own guns bitch!

[Pete Butter]

Originally Posted by Billgor

Gun Ban was really working in Chicago now that it's gone;




6 shot in 4 overnight shootings - chicagotribune.com


By Peter Nickeas Tribune reporter

3:57 a.m. CST, December 11, 2011

At least six people were wounded early Sunday morning in four shootings across the city.

The shootings happened as far north as Uptown, which has seen a rash of shootings over the past three weeks, and as far south as Englewood, with two other incidents on the West and Southwest Sides.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but posting one news article to prove a point is like the dumbest tactic ever.

I don't believe in Global Warming...but when people show Wednesday's weather forecast of snow to support the failure of Global Warming I cringe. Holding up such insufficient information as your proof really weakens your credibility.

[seijirou]

Originally Posted by Pete Butter

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but posting one news article to prove a point is like the dumbest tactic ever.

I don't believe in Global Warming...but when people show Wednesday's weather forecast of snow to support the failure of Global Warming I cringe. Makes you look stupid.

But if we can't put everything in a vacuum to make a point, where's the fun?

[Billgor]

Originally Posted by Pete Butter

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but posting one news article to prove a point is like the dumbest tactic ever.

I don't believe in Global Warming...but when people show Wednesday's weather forecast of snow to support the failure of Global Warming I cringe. Holding up such insufficient information as your proof really weakens your credibility.

What you need to do is click that Breaking news - chicagotribune.com link every day. Every day I read that, some days it gets double digits of people shot some days it's only single digit who get shot. I have been following that for about a year and I am sick of it.

[Billgor]

Here are some more links

Chicago Crime Database -- chicagotribune.com

Crime Map Beta - Trulia

[toms5oh]

If you ban guns, the govt will walk all over us without mercy.

[Ehardy1971]

Originally Posted by Pete Butter

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but posting one news article to prove a point is like the dumbest tactic ever.

I don't believe in Global Warming...but when people show Wednesday's weather forecast of snow to support the failure of Global Warming I cringe. Holding up such insufficient information as your proof really weakens your credibility.

Speaking of credibility, when are you going to show yours and race KCLX?

[Chauncy]

Yeah, he who is without sin throw rocks at their windows!

[Ehardy1971]

It gets the racing in it's skin, or else it gets the belt again....

[CalSpecMustang]

I bet if you cropped the antenna to your vette it'd look and feel more aggressive!

[snipe656]

Originally Posted by Pete Butter

Statistically, gun owners are more likely to accidentally do something stupid with their weapon than to actually ward off a criminal. Also, more people were struck by lightning last year than successfully shot bad guys in the middle of committing crimes.

So really, do we need guns? To me they cause more harm than good. If guns were banned we could potentially eliminate a lot of violent crimes and more easily identify people carrying weapons who intend to do harm.

Gun bans sound bad, but statistically they should be helpful.

What do you think.

I read a study once that showed how more people die from accidental drownings in pools than from gun shots here in the US. So if that is true then I think we should focus on the greater risk here and be talking about banning people from having swimming pools at their homes. This would in turn help save more human lives, statistically speaking of course. If you want a source for that just Google it, plenty out there to prove either side of the argument on it.

I think a very simple fact exists and that is if guns are banned today and everyone must turn theirs in. Then really only the law abiding citizens will be the ones who are disarmed. The people who want to do illegal things will find ways to still get things like guns or whatever else it is they want to do illegal things with. A gunless society is a safer society but it is borderline impossible to take a gun society and make it gunless.